[3.P] Combat umbrella?

[ImperatorK]

Is there something like that?

[kitep]

Didn't Penguin have a whole slew of combat umbrellas?

[Tonymitsu]

Oriental Adventures has the Shikomi-zue, which is basically a sword cane.

it costs 12g, Med. damage is 1d8, x3 crit, piercing.

Tell your GM, "This, but I'm sticking an umbrella on the other end" and call it a day.


Or are you talking about actually beating people over the head with an actual umbrella?
If so, sorry, can't help you there.

[carnivore]

found a War Fan:


War Fan
30 gp 1d4(Small) 1d6(Med) x3 6 lb. Slashing (Sword and Fist)

This weapon appears to the untrained eye as nothing more than a beautifully crafted lady's fan. In fact, the vanes of the fan are crafted from steel, and the ribs are needle-sharp. When first brought into melee, the wielder may attempt a Bluff check against an opponent's Sense Motive check. If the wielder wins the contest, he adds a +4 bonus to the attack roll for his first round's attack(s).


 

[ImperatorK]

Oriental Adventures has the Shikomi-zue, which is basically a sword cane.

it costs 12g, Med. damage is 1d8, x3 crit, piercing.

Tell your GM, "This, but I'm sticking an umbrella on the other end" and call it a day.

That's not what I'm looking for.

Or are you talking about actually beating people over the head with an actual umbrella?
If so, sorry, can't help you there.

I'm looking for an actual weapon which is an umbrella made for combat. just like there are war fans, there can be umbrellas.

found a War Fan:


War Fan

Yeaaaah... I know there are war fans. Unfortunately it's not an umbrella.

[Yirrare]

How would you attack with the umbrella?
Which part would be the dangerous end (I'm guessing due to it being sharp)?
The top, like a spear?
The edge, like the edge of a warfan (but if so, how would you attack with it!?)?
Are you looking for a published "battle umbrella" only, or is something you can refluff into one good aswell?

Best Regards
Yirrare

[xaotiq1]

How would you attack with the umbrella?
Which part would be the dangerous end (I'm guessing due to it being sharp)?
The top, like a spear?
The edge, like the edge of a warfan (but if so, how would you attack with it!?)?
Are you looking for a published "battle umbrella" only, or is something you can refluff into one good aswell?

Best Regards
Yirrare

He's talking about an umbrella that is constructed like a war fan. Essentially an umbrella with sharp metal ribs. Unless I miss my guess, he would spin the edge of the umbrella against a target to slash with it.

Hmm, I'd say d8 (d6 small) damage. Crit of x3. Must be used with two hands. Doesn't get 1.5 times strength bonus like other 2h weapons, but grants a shield bonus to AC, say +2. Maybe useable as a club or heavy mace when not splayed out. Hm??

Pfft! Heck, throw a spike at the top and get all three damage types!

[ImperatorK]

I'm looking for something published. If there's nothing, I'm going to refluff or homebrew.

[kitep]

There's one on dandwiki, but I assume it's homebrew

http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Combat_Umbrella_(3.5e_Equipment)

Edit: fixed link

[RobbyPants]

Hmm, I'd say d8 (d6 small) damage. Crit of x3. Must be used with two hands. Doesn't get 1.5 times strength bonus like other 2h weapons, but grants a shield bonus to AC, say +2. Maybe useable as a club or heavy mace when not splayed out. Hm??

Why would you deny the x1.5 Str bonus for using it two-handed?

There's one on dandwiki, but I assume it's homebrew

http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Combat_Umbrella_(3.5e_Equipment)

You left the closing parenthesis out of the URL tag, so the link is broken.

That being said, that umbrella looks like a cute gimick, but the opening trick stops being useful once you get iterative attacks, unless you have Quick Draw. Also, technically, as written, with Quick Draw, you could open and close it an infinite number of times once you've successfully hit, turning the guy into red mist instantly (good thing you have an umbrella to shield you from the ensuing mess! )! I'm assuming it should be changed to something like "a free action, once per attack".

[Nicklance]

You mean something like this? (Jet Li)

Or this too? (Donnie Yen)

[veekie]

One thing is that using umbrellas in a fight has multiple approaches of weaponization. Ignoring the sword-cane version for now(because you don't actually use it as an umbrella.

Theres several approaches here. One, simply install a hidden blade or needles in the point of the umbrella itself, which can be envenomed. Usually this wouldn't hold up in a sustained fight, but is good for a quick poke. This is just a modified regular umbrella and passes inspection easily.

The more involved approach replaces the spine with a solid rod of metal or hardwood, then either the arms and hinges are reinforced with metal or the point is fully sharpened. In such cases it is simply a concealed version of a shortspear or club.

Taking it further requires exceptional materials or enchantment. An umbrella is far from solid enough to be much of a shield, and actually using the arms as a weapon is an invitation to snap from the impact due to the geometry. If you reinforce the cloth/leather/paper with materials like adamantine wire and arms, then maybe you could use it as a shield/spear combo.

Or use magic to make it work, I'm pretty sure you can just enchant a spiked large shield to look like an umbrella.

[RobbyPants]

Or use magic to make it work, I'm pretty sure you can just enchant a spiked large shield to look like an umbrella.

Glamered spiked large shield? It isn't quite clothing, but it's also not super abusable in this instance.

[Yirrare]

Hmm, I'd say d8 (d6 small) damage. Crit of x3. Must be used with two hands. Doesn't get 1.5 times strength bonus like other 2h weapons, but grants a shield bonus to AC, say +2. Maybe useable as a club or heavy mace when not splayed out. Hm??

Why would you deny the x1.5 Str bonus for using it two-handed?

If you attack as he described, how would you utilize all your strength? Spinning the umbrella will likely be a hard way to attack...
If you want to attack in any other way: tell us about it.

Kindly
Yirrare

[veekie]

Hmm, I'd say d8 (d6 small) damage. Crit of x3. Must be used with two hands. Doesn't get 1.5 times strength bonus like other 2h weapons, but grants a shield bonus to AC, say +2. Maybe useable as a club or heavy mace when not splayed out. Hm??

Why would you deny the x1.5 Str bonus for using it two-handed?

If you attack as he described, how would you utilize all your strength? Spinning the umbrella will likely be a hard way to attack...
If you want to attack in any other way: tell us about it.

Kindly
Yirrare

A sharpened umbrella works just fine for stabbing, one with reinforced vanes is a nice solid bludgeon. The only reason you'd ever use it in the OPEN form to attack is if you had some kind of projectile weapon mounted inside.

[Yirrare]

A sharpened umbrella works just fine for stabbing, one with reinforced vanes is a nice solid bludgeon. The only reason you'd ever use it in the OPEN form to attack is if you had some kind of projectile weapon mounted inside.

I agree. But with the method of attacking, which would limit your strength to 1x, it would be impossible to utilize your entire strength.

Kindly
Yirrare

[veekie]

In that case it'd be a straightforward hidden weapon ranged attack, likely firing spring loaded poison needles. Strength is not applicable, nor relevant.