[Discussion] Brute Squad discussion thread

[sirpercival]

They're pretty much the same; a glyphwalker can learn them no problem.  They're discharged as a full-round action instead of a free action, though; also, they have particular spells which they can duplicate.  There's a thread with the full lists.

[zook1shoe]

Well multiple followers... Do the companions get elite array? Or just standard?

Companions get the normal one since they're not cohorts.  (Wild cohorts act like companions.)

Ok, thanks. And it looks like from a previous post and this, followers use standard also.

Got it!

[VennDygrem]

heh, then we can get a proper army of hell vibe going.  small crowd of lemures, an ice devil, and bearded devils summoned with some frequency(or just more lemures, the real things are nasty.)

also...  wondering if the lemures can also get the inocent form feat...  as people tend to complain if we get rotting molten flesh every were.

If I go pseudonatural, we can eventually add eldritch horrors to our growing army.
Some of them won't be very friendly, though. 

Alternatively, I can just simply go another route and not worry about it.

[sirpercival]

You should really look at Mawkin when gitp comes back. 

[zook1shoe]

Many of my minions are pretty freaky... I need to drop the stats of the 3 followers I've made

Got so far a druid poison-maker, marshal (with the fix) shopkeeper/foreman, large fighter bouncer, and a rogue locksmith.

Thinking of a urban ranger maybe?

And once the business is set up, I get 2 more!



I still have no clue about my cohort

[bobthe6th]

cleric?  I mean, a DVMM persist buff maker. 

[zook1shoe]

Hmm... I'll def see what I can make tmw


Question, sirpercival... Dragonspawn template in the Dragonlance Bestiary?

[samnemath]

Does anyone know if you can retrain Monstrous Blood and Monster Hybrid feats after you multiclass into a second monster class?

[bobthe6th]

well...  I don't think you can or should be able to.  they are there to balance the fact mixing monsters can get incredibly powerful very quickly. 

[sirpercival]

Yeah, if you don't have the feats you don't qualify for the class levels.  They basically turn base classes into prcs with the prereq of: these feats.

[samnemath]

well...  I don't think you can or should be able to.  they are there to balance the fact mixing monsters can get incredibly powerful very quickly.

Yes I thought so. oh well.

[zook1shoe]

*poke* my question?

[sirpercival]

*poke* my question?

You and your edited questions! 

Hmm... I'll def see what I can make tmw


Question, sirpercival... Dragonspawn template in the Dragonlance Bestiary?

You mean Dragonspawn Abomination?

[Sohala]

Does anyone know if you can retrain Monstrous Blood and Monster Hybrid feats after you multiclass into a second monster class?

If you were able to retrain them, the first level of the second monster class would wipe all the stuff of the first class, seeing as it is both a race and class. (I think I got that right)

[samnemath]

Ok guys I need some help deciding between two builds.

On the one hand we have a choker Impulse mage with a level in Darkened One. He can spellshape twice per round, sometimes affecting an area. He can scare the crap out of people (imperious command, dreadful wrath) and has 30ft shadow tentacles that can do AoOs. In the future his tentacles will be able to trip and grapple

=Feats: Combat Reflexes, Sculpt Spellshape, Imperious Command, Dreadful Wrath, Circle Focus
   
On the other hand we have an abomination. A choker with illithid levels and one level in Impulse Mage.  He can do all of the above except the 30ft AoOs (although that is an option in the future). In exchange for some Impulse mage class features he gains: Mind Blast, Telepathy, Cha bonus, Cha to Natural AC, Charm, Levitate, SR 17 (11+HD)

=Feats: Sculpt Spellshape, Monstrous Blood, Hybrid Monster, Imperious Command, Dreadful Wrath   



Mmmm, now that  I wrote it the second one sound cooler, what do you think?

[zook1shoe]

*poke* my question?

You and your edited questions! 

Hmm... I'll def see what I can make tmw


Question, sirpercival... Dragonspawn template in the Dragonlance Bestiary?

You mean Dragonspawn Abomination?

that or double post... and it was close to when i posted the actual original

oh, doah... the Revised Bestiary
not Abomination, the regular.... specifically the Sea 'color'

also Dragon is mentioned as sources allowed, what about Dungeon mags?

[sirpercival]

Yeah, that's fine, though you're stuck with the LA unless someone makes a Dragonspawn racial class.

I don't have any dungeon mags, so I'm not sure.  What did you have in mind?

[zook1shoe]

the LA sticks even if incarnate construct is applied to offset?


oh there was a +0 template that i liked that gives some nice options...

i would use it for the mirror jump, and it change my buddies to LN. thats all

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      Mirrored [Dung#143 (pg 84)]
“Mirrored” is a template that can be added to any non-Evil humanoid or monstrous humanoid native to the Material Plane (referred thereafter as the “base creature”). A mirrored creature uses all the base creature’s statistics and special abilities, except as noted here.
Special Attacks: Same as the base creature, plus it gains the following:
   Mirror Jump (Sp): Mirrored creatures can move through mirrored and reflective surfaces up to three times per day in the manner similar to shadow walk, but using the Plane of Mirrors. As a standard action, a mirrored creature may touch a mirror and then exit from a mirror no farther than 1 mile away. Normally automatically successful, a mirrored creature can attempt to jump through a surface that is only partially reflective (like a still pool of water or shiny metal object) with a 30% chance of success, although it must always exit through a mirror.
Alignment: Always Evil.
CR: +0
LA: +0

      Variants:
   Racial Alteration: A racial alteration results from different circumstances and choices taken by the mirrored creature’s parents. A human target of the Mask of Diamond Tears (Dung#143, pg 84) may yield a half-elf or half-orc mirrored creature. A halfling might become a different subrace. The racial aberration should be slight and easy to explain.

   Class Alteration: If the mirrored creature’s character class changes, reassign the creature’s original ability scores to match his new class. Generate the mirrored creature’s base attack bonus, saves, hit points, skills, feats, and class features as appropriate for his new class.

   Drastic Alteration: Sometimes an alternate plane’s situation is remarkably divergent. Fiends from the Nine Hells may have crushed the home plane of the mirrored creature. Lycanthropy may have spread unchecked, or transdimensional energies may have infused the plane’s residents with chaotic mutations. Feel free to use your imagination in creating the exact nature of the drastic aberration. It may involve applying a template to the mirrored creature (half-fiend, half-dragon, pseudonatural creature). The mirrored creature’s ECL should be equal to the base creature.

[sirpercival]

the LA sticks even if incarnate construct is applied to offset?

No, IC would wipe it out, though it also wipes all the traits other than the swim speed and the ability adjusts.

oh there was a +0 template that i liked that gives some nice options...

i would use it for the mirror jump, and it change my buddies to LN. thats all

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      Mirrored [Dung#143 (pg 84)]
“Mirrored” is a template that can be added to any non-Evil humanoid or monstrous humanoid native to the Material Plane (referred thereafter as the “base creature”). A mirrored creature uses all the base creature’s statistics and special abilities, except as noted here.
Special Attacks: Same as the base creature, plus it gains the following:
   Mirror Jump (Sp): Mirrored creatures can move through mirrored and reflective surfaces up to three times per day in the manner similar to shadow walk, but using the Plane of Mirrors. As a standard action, a mirrored creature may touch a mirror and then exit from a mirror no farther than 1 mile away. Normally automatically successful, a mirrored creature can attempt to jump through a surface that is only partially reflective (like a still pool of water or shiny metal object) with a 30% chance of success, although it must always exit through a mirror.
Alignment: Always Evil.
CR: +0
LA: +0

      Variants:
   Racial Alteration: A racial alteration results from different circumstances and choices taken by the mirrored creature’s parents. A human target of the Mask of Diamond Tears (Dung#143, pg 84) may yield a half-elf or half-orc mirrored creature. A halfling might become a different subrace. The racial aberration should be slight and easy to explain.

   Class Alteration: If the mirrored creature’s character class changes, reassign the creature’s original ability scores to match his new class. Generate the mirrored creature’s base attack bonus, saves, hit points, skills, feats, and class features as appropriate for his new class.

   Drastic Alteration: Sometimes an alternate plane’s situation is remarkably divergent. Fiends from the Nine Hells may have crushed the home plane of the mirrored creature. Lycanthropy may have spread unchecked, or transdimensional energies may have infused the plane’s residents with chaotic mutations. Feel free to use your imagination in creating the exact nature of the drastic aberration. It may involve applying a template to the mirrored creature (half-fiend, half-dragon, pseudonatural creature). The mirrored creature’s ECL should be equal to the base creature.

Hm.  I have to think about this.  The Plane of Mirrors may not be something I want to build into this...

[zook1shoe]

*nods*


was curious, gives my guy an easy out of bad places. but it doesn't feel uber broken either