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Re: Pre-game and "mother-may-I"s with the DM
« Reply #80 on: October 27, 2012, 02:20:38 PM »
Well, if we pretend you didn't point out that wasn't the case, then yes. Since I can think of 2-3 things off the top of my head that cause nauseated to be sickened or vice versa in that vein anyway, that's how I thought it worked always.
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Re: Pre-game and "mother-may-I"s with the DM
« Reply #81 on: October 27, 2012, 08:16:57 PM »
Alrighty, just need to decide on Moon Elf Sniper or Sun Elf Generalist then.  :plotting


Edit: Think I've mostly decided on Sun Elf Generalist, but not 100% sure yet, only about 80% heh. 
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Re: Pre-game and "mother-may-I"s with the DM
« Reply #82 on: November 03, 2012, 01:38:35 AM »
Are flaws/traits from dandwiki and realmshelp allowed?
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Re: Pre-game and "mother-may-I"s with the DM
« Reply #83 on: November 03, 2012, 02:54:25 PM »
Are flaws/traits from dandwiki and realmshelp allowed?

On a case-by-case basis.

In example, Pyrophobia would be okay. Small Penis would not.

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Re: Pre-game and "mother-may-I"s with the DM
« Reply #84 on: November 03, 2012, 03:16:53 PM »
First of all, I just realized that I posted junk in the charsheet thread.  Can you delete that post please? 

Second, where is everyone else up to?  I kinda forgot to finish Graalmas...  :blush

I'm reworking him slightly to go with chain tripping and Chthonic Serpent, in addition to the rest of his badassery.  arias, which version of Sudden Stunning are we using?  Also, can we do something with Combat Expertise (like remove it as a prereq for Improved Trip, or something)?  It sucks.

And, I'm not 100% sure of how the houserule for Ancestral Relic works.  Say I wanted my ancestral relic to be a Sudden Stunning Spiked Chain (for example) at game start.  Does that work, and how would it work for upgrading it in the future?  And does the cost of it count towards my WBL?
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Re: Pre-game and "mother-may-I"s with the DM
« Reply #85 on: November 03, 2012, 03:54:07 PM »
First of all, I just realized that I posted junk in the charsheet thread.  Can you delete that post please?

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Second, where is everyone else up to?  I kinda forgot to finish Graalmas...  :blush
I'm reworking him slightly to go with chain tripping and Chthonic Serpent, in addition to the rest of his badassery.  arias, which version of Sudden Stunning are we using?  Also, can we do something with Combat Expertise (like remove it as a prereq for Improved Trip, or something)?  It sucks.
By default, when there are multiple different versions of a thing, it is the most recent version unless you request for it to be otherwise, and I acquiesce.
That said, for Sudden Stunning, go ahead and use the one that scales (DMG2). You can use the crappier MIC version if you want though. :rolleyes
Combat Expertise doesn't have the limiter. So it basically already is Improved Combat Reflexes. Other than that, I'm leaving it as-is in regards to its pre-reqs.

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And, I'm not 100% sure of how the houserule for Ancestral Relic works.  Say I wanted my ancestral relic to be a Sudden Stunning Spiked Chain (for example) at game start.  Does that work, and how would it work for upgrading it in the future?  And does the cost of it count towards my WBL?
AR at the start has only the cost of the feat. As you improve it at each level, you only pay a pittance, based on what you're adding.
When you start is the only time I'll actually pay any attention to WBL. Because until you guys start getting more gear, you'll be below WBL, but you'll get quite above the projected WBL.
At the start, the level 3 price limit is 2,025gp. Sudden Stunning is 2,000gp IIRC. So if you can BS free MW quality (e.g. by saying you MW'ed it yourself), then sure.
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Re: Pre-game and "mother-may-I"s with the DM
« Reply #86 on: November 03, 2012, 03:56:04 PM »
So I would only have 700gp left for the rest of my equips? (Just checking.)
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« Reply #87 on: November 03, 2012, 04:11:56 PM »
So I would only have 700gp left for the rest of my equips? (Just checking.)
Your AR has only the cost of the feat at the start. Because that's when you get the feat, thus you've never had to pay to improve it.

You have your Starting wealth. (2,700gp. Max of one magic item. Gear subject to approval)
You have the feat, and thus it's benefit. (One Item, max current value of 2,025gp)
These are separate things, and have no bearing on each other.

FWIW, the "subject to approval" thing is mostly for things like the planar alchemical items, or other gear you likely wouldn't have access to.
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Re: Pre-game and "mother-may-I"s with the DM
« Reply #88 on: November 03, 2012, 04:21:55 PM »
Ah, ok.  I get it now.

Sometimes I am dense.  Leadhead.  Yes.

I am also kinda punchy.
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Re: Pre-game and "mother-may-I"s with the DM
« Reply #89 on: November 03, 2012, 04:24:00 PM »
Ah, ok.  I get it now.

Sometimes I am dense.  Leadhead.  Yes.

I am also kinda punchy.

Just be careful where you cast Fist, okay?

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« Reply #90 on: November 03, 2012, 04:42:23 PM »
Ah, ok.  I get it now.
Sometimes I am dense.  Leadhead.  Yes.
I am also kinda punchy.

Meh, I quite often find that people don't understand me because I explain things in the way my mind understands things, and don't usually understand when others don't understand the way I'm phrasing things.

Which, given my psyche, is somewhat prohibitive to communication.

The DM is Schizophrenic. You are all screwed  :smirk
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Re: Pre-game and "mother-may-I"s with the DM
« Reply #91 on: November 03, 2012, 04:46:50 PM »
Is including it in my backstory as an inherited item (i.e., an "ancestral relic" ;) ) okay for justifying the mw cost?  Otherwise it's not too useful a feat at 3rd level.
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« Reply #92 on: November 03, 2012, 04:55:40 PM »
Is including it in my backstory as an inherited item (i.e., an "ancestral relic" ;) ) okay for justifying the mw cost?  Otherwise it's not too useful a feat at 3rd level.

Sure.

And lol at "useful at 3rd level". It's still a flat increase to how much stuff you have.
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Re: Pre-game and "mother-may-I"s with the DM
« Reply #93 on: November 03, 2012, 07:29:19 PM »
Is including it in my backstory as an inherited item (i.e., an "ancestral relic" ;) ) okay for justifying the mw cost?  Otherwise it's not too useful a feat at 3rd level.

Sure.

And lol at "useful at 3rd level". It's still a flat increase to how much stuff you have.

Well, true.  I just meant I couldn't use it on a magical weapon (as these things usually are).
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« Reply #94 on: November 03, 2012, 11:25:34 PM »
As for where I am, been a bit busy so haven't really gotten around to starting my character(other than a bit of mental planning). Only level 3 so shouldn't be that big of a deal. And I've attempted a couple of wizards in the past so that'll make generation a bit quicker.

Don't want anyone waiting on me though.
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« Reply #95 on: November 05, 2012, 03:53:25 PM »
Well, true.  I just meant I couldn't use it on a magical weapon (as these things usually are).

Correction: it just wouldn't be magical already. Special material + Dwarvencraft + other template, then magic as it levels is how some of the NPC's AR's progressed. Okay, so I've only done one. One NPC's AR progressed that way. But I think I can still say "some", even with only one, since it stands to reason that I'll do so again.
Anyway, you've got the chain, so I'll shut up now.

Don't want anyone waiting on me though.
Inna is done; McPoyo and SirP are nearly done; SV, Jack and Quill are all still in character-generation stage.

So not "waiting on you" at this point.


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Facepalm Humor: If you all go back to when I suggested Dr. Tran as a PC, you'll see what I mean. I have an odd sense of humor. It does come into play. If you can imagine meeting an Ardent NPC capable of engaging in melee, using energy powers, and healing, all dressed in red, and has a item that lets him use Psychic Reformation on himself only, at-will, as a full-round action, which he calls his "character sheet". I've done that before. His name was only given as "Red Mage".
My humor is generally not ha-ha funny, so much as facepalm or groan-worthy.
It doesn't come up often, but it does come up.

Character, not Story: Things happen around you. These are not necessarily "story hooks". They are just things that happen. If you guys decide to completely ignore the things happening in the starting village, say "F*** it" and head off elsewhere, I am not going to care. I built the world, I engineer the events within it, but how you react, or even if you react, is up to you.
The game (as all by me) is to be Character-driven, not story-driven.
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Re: Pre-game and "mother-may-I"s with the DM
« Reply #96 on: November 05, 2012, 07:53:55 PM »
Speaking of which, I should get a chance to finish my character tomorrow.

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Re: Pre-game and "mother-may-I"s with the DM
« Reply #97 on: November 06, 2012, 11:56:40 AM »
I'm having trouble finding the motivation to actually sit down and work on my character. Bah.   :(
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« Reply #98 on: November 06, 2012, 12:00:51 PM »
I'm having trouble finding the motivation to actually sit down and work on my character. Bah.   :(

I hate that. Especially if it's because I'm hungry, but don't have the money to go shopping. Or too tired, but not tired enough to sleep.
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Re: Pre-game and "mother-may-I"s with the DM
« Reply #99 on: November 06, 2012, 12:03:31 PM »
In my case, I keep taking an arrow to the knee. Heh.

And now I'm also pondering straight Generalist or a Generalist/Fighter/Arcane Archer.

Pretty sure I'll stick with the Generalist 3, at level three the arcane archer would be Generalist 1/Fighter 2.
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