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Re: Pre-game and "mother-may-I"s with the DM
« Reply #300 on: March 03, 2013, 06:03:34 PM »
A'heh, yeah I didn't fully read protocreature before suggesting it. Would not be an optimal choice. I was probably steering away from it in anycase, since it hits Int and I realized the majority of my skills are Int based.

I'm assuming a Water Nuclear Dragon is out ala the Water Fire Elemental (though Godzilla never seemed to mind the water).
... Nuclear. Reactor. It uses the radiation to heat the reactor water. Steam turns turbine. Water cools off Water. Radiation re-heats the reactor water.
From my perspective, water and radiation are... kinda linked, a little bit.

I hadn't thought of it that way. I like that, though. Cool connection. Maybe one parent was a Red Dragon and the other was one with a water affinity. "Arctic, Water, Nuclear Dragon," that's a race combination I wouldn't expect to be playing.

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Re: Pre-game and "mother-may-I"s with the DM
« Reply #301 on: March 03, 2013, 06:08:17 PM »
Think you could cover goblins in your racial write ups? Looking at using a (variant) goblin as my race.
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Re: Pre-game and "mother-may-I"s with the DM
« Reply #302 on: March 03, 2013, 06:27:09 PM »
Think you could cover goblins in your racial write ups? Looking at using a (variant) goblin as my race.
KK, I'll get to it sometime this week.
The quick version though:
  • Way back in the long long ago, Goblinoids warred within their own genus (Gobies vs Bugbears vs Hobgobbies). There were no real victors, but it established a caste and hierarchy for them to have a society of sorts.
  • They then decided to try and start something against the orcs. Orcs won. By a large margin. Most goblinoids were enslaved, or close enough to it.
  • In the great war, though, they fought along side the orcs, almost willingly. This was because, though the orcs treated them as a sub-class species (not even second class, at the time), the other races were more than willing to wipe them out. Goblinoids settled for the lesser of two jackasses.
  • Post-war, Goblins proved themselves worth a modicum of respect to the orcs, and have earned their way to being full-fledged second-class citizens in the orc lands.
  • Some groupings of goblins are more than content with the way things are, others are more biding their time for a chance to have some form of independence (mostly hobgoblins). Bugbears, for their part, are just happy when someone lets them smash something.

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Re: Pre-game and "mother-may-I"s with the DM
« Reply #303 on: March 03, 2013, 07:28:56 PM »
There was a discussion earlier in the thread about maneuver recovery methods and not using maneuvers the same turn they were recovered (or recovering them the same turn they were used.)

The Nuclear Dragon's recovery method is "Every time the Nuclear Dragon sucessfully damages an opponent with either its bite attack or its Control Rod, he  can recover one expended maneuver." As written it has no limitation on using maneuvers the turn they were recovered/ recovering them the turn they were used. Should I add one?

EDIT: Also, are magic items of odd numbered stat bonuses (specifically a +1 Amulet of Health) allowed?
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Re: Pre-game and "mother-may-I"s with the DM
« Reply #304 on: March 04, 2013, 03:14:14 AM »
Wouldn't a dragon cause panic in the streets?
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Re: Pre-game and "mother-may-I"s with the DM
« Reply #305 on: March 04, 2013, 03:23:13 AM »
Wouldn't a dragon cause panic in the streets?

If not in the streets, probably in a disco.  Unless it was a prismatic dragon that was just chillin'.

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Re: Pre-game and "mother-may-I"s with the DM
« Reply #306 on: March 04, 2013, 04:30:13 AM »
This Dragon is decievingly innocent and completely harmless. Fun for all the family.

Just have to make sure not to go into any discos.

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Re: Pre-game and "mother-may-I"s with the DM
« Reply #307 on: March 04, 2013, 06:26:57 AM »
There was a discussion earlier in the thread about maneuver recovery methods and not using maneuvers the same turn they were recovered (or recovering them the same turn they were used.)

The Nuclear Dragon's recovery method is "Every time the Nuclear Dragon successfully damages an opponent with either its bite attack or its Control Rod, he  can recover one expended maneuver." As written it has no limitation on using maneuvers the turn they were recovered/ recovering them the turn they were used. Should I add one?
That discussion was looking at how difficult it is, baseline, for the published classes to do so anyway. Then comparing those written in homebrew, and how that is a good rule to go by when writing recovery mechanics.
That conversation really doesn't matter as much here, because: (A) your recovery maneuver is already written; (B) it is already based on the fact that you only have one discipline, not a repertoire; (C) considering point "B", and who the writer was, I trust the balance as-is.

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Re: Pre-game and "mother-may-I"s with the DM
« Reply #308 on: March 04, 2013, 04:52:20 PM »
Does a Nuclear Dragon's Control Rod count as a "ranged attack roll gained from race" for the purposes of your Tough Shot feat?

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Re: Pre-game and "mother-may-I"s with the DM
« Reply #309 on: March 04, 2013, 04:55:28 PM »
Risada, you wouldn't want to intertwine our character backgrounds because of the racial implications would you?
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Re: Pre-game and "mother-may-I"s with the DM
« Reply #310 on: March 04, 2013, 05:17:12 PM »
Does a Nuclear Dragon's Control Rod count as a "ranged attack roll gained from race" for the purposes of your Tough Shot feat?

You don't always have the same Rod. The stances are gained from race, the Rods are gained from the stances. Not all of them are Ranged.

The middle reason I could overlook. However, because of the first and the last, I'd say "No".
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Re: Pre-game and "mother-may-I"s with the DM
« Reply #311 on: March 04, 2013, 05:20:46 PM »
Risada, you wouldn't want to intertwine our character backgrounds because of the racial implications would you?

I... don't mind. What exactly do you have in mind?

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Re: Pre-game and "mother-may-I"s with the DM
« Reply #312 on: March 04, 2013, 05:45:27 PM »
donno yet, hadn't gotten that far, figured I'd ask before I started thinking about it. Maybe from the same tribe? Idk what you'd had in mind from before your character became dragon born
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Re: Pre-game and "mother-may-I"s with the DM
« Reply #313 on: March 04, 2013, 06:59:04 PM »
Does a Nuclear Dragon's Control Rod count as a "ranged attack roll gained from race" for the purposes of your Tough Shot feat?

You don't always have the same Rod. The stances are gained from race, the Rods are gained from the stances. Not all of them are Ranged.

The middle reason I could overlook. However, because of the first and the last, I'd say "No".

The Nuclear Dragon does always gain the same rod, I believe. Most Divine Flame practitioners make their rod out of whatever weapon or natural weapon they choose when they assume a stance but the Nuclear Dragon always gains its rod in the back of its throat and it doesn't replace any weapons.

The rod has a single set of stats that are modified by stances. Some stances enhance the ability to use the rod in melee but they don't prevent you from using it at range. As far as the interaction between Tough Shot and melee rod attacks, I'd say there wouldn't be one. Just like taking Zen Archery doesn't let you make melee attacks with your Wis when using an Elven Longbow (or whatever the bow that's also a quarterstaff is called.)

Also, my character will probably not be using his rod in melee. I find the idea of hitting people with your neck for damage (esp in innocent form) rather nonsensical and I've already invested resources into point blank ranged combat and natural weapon combat in any case.

Regardless, I'm ok with not taking the feat if that's what you'd prefer (I'd have to switch something out for it anyway), this is just my take on the situation.

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Re: Pre-game and "mother-may-I"s with the DM
« Reply #314 on: March 04, 2013, 07:06:21 PM »
donno yet, hadn't gotten that far, figured I'd ask before I started thinking about it. Maybe from the same tribe? Idk what you'd had in mind from before your character became dragon born

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Re: Pre-game and "mother-may-I"s with the DM
« Reply #315 on: March 04, 2013, 07:17:37 PM »
The Nuclear Dragon does always gain the same rod, I believe.

You don't wake up in a stance. The Rod is made when you enter a stance. If it weren't for the fact that it only exists as a result of another ability, I'd agree with you.

So, no to this one.

(... hey, you're playing a Arctic Water Nuclear Dragon, ya win some, ya lose some  :p )
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Re: Pre-game and "mother-may-I"s with the DM
« Reply #316 on: March 04, 2013, 08:31:38 PM »
Any way I could play a lesser Worghest from dragon 350? I'd be willing to town it down a bit if you don't thing the penalties for being a lesser planetouched don't outweigh the 2la it would have otherwise.

Edit: never mind, I'm gonna go with a tundra (Wild arctic(dr306)) Desert(srd) Half-orc
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Re: Pre-game and "mother-may-I"s with the DM
« Reply #317 on: March 04, 2013, 09:31:42 PM »
So, building slowly but surely. Few things.

1 - About the sets of alchemical ammunition. Could one get a set of half one energy, one another? So the same 350, but 25 shock and 25 cold arrows, for example?

2 - Is the one magic item we're allowed now supposed to be a dynamic magic item, and either way could I (for instance) have the crown be equivalent to a set of implements of binding (usually a chalice, three jewels, and a masterwork dagger)?

3 - Alright, so there's a bunch of homebrew vestiges, and some are cool while others are a bit iffy. But I stumbled across a few I thought might be.... appropriate. Now if it has a seal, then as far as my guy cares, it's one of his "gods", but apparently someone made lovecraftian vestiges.... which is both cool in concept (as in totally appropriate) and awesome for my character. I'll post the specific ones I like, since..... there's a lot....

Those that I could use now...
Vox, Faceless Shadow (non lovecraft, but still in my build design)

Those that I can use soon...
Y’Golonac, the Violator
Ithaqua, the Wind Walker
Shudde M'ell, the Burrower Beneath
Nodens, Huntsman of the Abyss

Those I could use in the future...
Vorvadoss, He Who Waiteth in the Outer Dark
Shub-Niggurath, The Black Goat of the Woods with a Thousand Young
Nyarlathotep, the Crawling Chaos
Yog-Sothoth, the Lurker at the Threshold

I understand some or all of these might not fit the concept of the game, and that's cool. I was just looking for fresh blood for my binder. Granted, they wouldn't work with Midnight Occultist, so these would be binds that might be better left alone, but still.
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Re: Pre-game and "mother-may-I"s with the DM
« Reply #318 on: March 04, 2013, 09:34:10 PM »
bhu is also doing lovecraftian vestiges
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Re: Pre-game and "mother-may-I"s with the DM
« Reply #319 on: March 04, 2013, 09:44:54 PM »
Oh really? Must look into that....

I do realize they wont technically work with my intended prc, but meh. Burn that bridge when I come to it.
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