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Is a Hurricane (Sandy) build possible?
« on: October 28, 2012, 04:20:54 PM »
 :-\ ... since the East Coast is gonna get hammered.


Apocalypse From The Sky is an obvious choice.
Have to ditch the Artifact as M component.  Perhaps Erudite StP?
CL can be standard with that spell.
idk how to substitute Air or Wind or Rain into the spell.
iirc Savage Species had a few (ex) Wind abilities,
but they weren't spell related.
West Virginia will get 2+ feet of snow in some places.
That's like adding a Frost/Cold effect, not quite as large.
Maybe even an Anti-Electrical effect too.

Could always cheat a little, and Plane Shift someone to a border
region of the Planes of Air, Lightning, Ice, Steam, Water, etc ...
Contingency with an immediate Storm type effect.


Ideas ??
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Re: Is a Hurricane (Sandy) build possible?
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2012, 05:16:51 PM »
I think rather than create the effect, it'd be more fun to turn into a Hurricane as a PC.
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Re: Is a Hurricane (Sandy) build possible?
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2012, 05:26:06 PM »
Why be A Hurricane, when you can be The Hurricane?



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Re: Is a Hurricane (Sandy) build possible?
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2012, 05:56:22 PM »
Druid 13 with sudden widen metamagic feat?

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Re: Is a Hurricane (Sandy) build possible?
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2012, 07:15:11 PM »
I seem to recall a build in which a halfling druid rode his elemental companion. I'll see if I can dig it up.
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Re: Is a Hurricane (Sandy) build possible?
« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2012, 08:19:10 PM »
Widen Storm of Elemental Fury? That's a 80ft area with hurricane winds with falling rocks/rain/fire...

How about Earthquake? Fimbulwinter? Raise Volcano? Tsunami?
Good ole fashioned Control Weather + Energy Substitution + Blistering/Flash-Frost + Born of Three Thunders + Explosive Spell?

I mean, pick one or cast them all for the fun of it.

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Re: Is a Hurricane (Sandy) build possible?
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2012, 05:57:52 PM »
Hope everyone was/is O.K.  Helluva storm.



May-be ... a Chuck super speed build, that gets as heavy as possible,
to do something like the 1st Superman movie --- gravity well that turns
into a defacto Hurricane, instead of making Time go backwards.
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Re: Is a Hurricane (Sandy) build possible?
« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2012, 02:22:00 PM »
Play as awakened sand.


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Re: Is a Hurricane (Sandy) build possible?
« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2012, 02:26:16 AM »

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Re: Is a Hurricane (Sandy) build possible?
« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2012, 09:47:00 AM »
Awaken Sand is a spell in Sandstorm, it's treated as a Huge Animated Object with 3d6s for mental scores.

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Re: Is a Hurricane (Sandy) build possible?
« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2012, 11:28:33 AM »
Awaken Sand is a spell in Sandstorm, it's treated as a Huge Animated Object with 3d6s for mental scores.

Thanks I was AFK. There is a thread on another site here:

http://www.enworld.org/forum/d-d-pathfinder/318823-ankhus-living-sand.html

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Re: Is a Hurricane (Sandy) build possible?
« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2012, 12:21:42 PM »
what about a living spell? control weather or something similar?

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Re: Is a Hurricane (Sandy) build possible?
« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2012, 06:48:36 PM »
Living Spell(sandstorm) could work out pretty well, can you use Metamagics? Blistering Spell would be awesome.

Give it the Dark Template and pump that Move Silently, now you're a ninja storm (on fire?). ^_^

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Re: Is a Hurricane (Sandy) build possible?
« Reply #14 on: November 01, 2012, 07:21:19 PM »
 :??? ... can you PAO a Spell into a Living Spell ?
(or something similar)

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Re: Is a Hurricane (Sandy) build possible?
« Reply #15 on: November 02, 2012, 12:42:04 AM »
does a spell meet the target qualifications for PAO? before being templated as a living spell, that is?

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Re: Is a Hurricane (Sandy) build possible?
« Reply #16 on: November 02, 2012, 03:04:54 PM »
Nudging the collective Intelligences here,
hence the "(or something similar)".

Clearly you can PAO the Living Spell into X.
And there's this:

In Dragon 324 when I was browsing for that druid skin, I came across the actual recommendation of using Polymorph Any Object to turn a squirrel corpse into a templated dragon turtle. Domo Arigato Mr Roboto has been confirmed as RAI.


So SorO's post is entirely possible. 
As would be your Control Weather idea.
Psi Control Weather Linked Apocalypse From The Sky
using T_G's abusive targeting trick ---> Living Spell
... from a very high level Erudite StP.
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Re: Is a Hurricane (Sandy) build possible?
« Reply #17 on: November 02, 2012, 09:00:56 PM »
I contest it.

A. F**k Dragon, it's 2nd party & poorly written (even by WotC's standards).

B. POA functions like Polymorph, except <see rest of spell>.
Poly functions like Alter Self, except <see rest of spell>.
You do not gain any supernatural special attacks, special qualities, or spell-like abilities of the new form. Your creature type and subtype (if any) remain the same regardless of your new form. You cannot take the form of any creature with a template, even if that template doesn’t change the creature type or subtype.

C. The rock and a hard place.
The going opinion of the boards is that while Shapechanged you can cast spells. While the spell it self has been updated to include the Class Feature blocking Polymorph subschool, arguments are made that the Spell's descriptive text trump it's data entry. If PAO's as Polymorph except were ignored, Polymorph, PAO, and Shapechange would suffer the full ramifications of it's Subschool.

And this is per Intent, why else would those spells have been fixed and reprinted with a new Subschool multiple times? But if you wanted to go with Intent, your back around that per Intent you cannot turn into Templated creatures (see alter self, see FAQ entry on Polymorph).

RAW & Intent both disagree with Dragon.
And Dragon being 2nd party, it's about as canonical as Anima fillers.

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Re: Is a Hurricane (Sandy) build possible?
« Reply #18 on: November 03, 2012, 01:30:09 AM »
B. POA functions like Polymorph, except <see rest of spell>.
Poly functions like Alter Self, except <see rest of spell>.
You do not gain any supernatural special attacks, special qualities, or spell-like abilities of the new form. Your creature type and subtype (if any) remain the same regardless of your new form. You cannot take the form of any creature with a template, even if that template doesn’t change the creature type or subtype.

There was a discussion a little while back on GitP that questioned the RAW power of PoA. By RAW it is kind of defunct since Sheep do not have HD meaning you cannot literally Polymorph any Object because Polymorph requires a HD which is what it bases itself off of... The only thing that came out of that discussion was that it, like most magic, needed to be heavily regulated by the DM.  :rolleyes
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Re: Is a Hurricane (Sandy) build possible?
« Reply #19 on: November 03, 2012, 04:46:58 AM »
dragon is canonical because wotc said it was. they put the 100% official material stamp on just about every one by paizo. other opinions notwithstanding, whatever wotc says is official, is.