Optimizing less effective combat styles

[SorO_Lost]

+5 inherent bonus to all stats? 137.5k a pop, so you're way over 760k.

+5 in all six is worthless, +4 in five on them on the other hand... Oh look, 687,000gp in Wealth. If I cared to spend more time in the stats maybe I could have avoided this, but meh who cares. Really, if everyone's biggest beef with my build comes down to "omg odd points and you have an extra +2 bonus you shouldn't have" I'd say job well done.

Edit: A question: Can you worship Shar and belong to the Monks of Dark Moon and still be a Saint?

You mean Shar the godess of thieves and secrets and not murder and mayhem like EVERYONE assumes because they see the letter E? I have no idea, why don't you ask Robin Hood the thief, or the three musketeers of treason, or Johan of Ark the mass murderer, or Saint Cipriano the warlock officially introduced by the same people that burned hundreds of girls at the stake because they might have practiced which craft, or really any other folk lore or novel on "heroes".

One intelligent enough to read her entry would know Shar's dogma nicely states you are forbidden strive to better your lot in life which fits nicely with a such a follower of humility. Also you don't have to be of the same alignment, her primary aspect (secrets) has nothing to do with alignment, can work with good for a good clause, and there no rules stating loss of the AFC for turning Good, you know. A huge fracking list of things you can pick though and deal with if you want to wage some debate on it. Maybe Invitae only swore to uphold humility to it's highest aspect (VoP) and to keep secrets of, well he is going to tell you. He never took his way of life to be a promise of sucess, and blah blah blah. Srsly, why and I flavoring out the PC to an insane clown like you?

I'm satisfied, hence why I posted it.

[JaronK]

But Saint means being Exalted, and Exalted is stuck up even more righteous than Paladins good.  I could easily see plenty of good characters that use thievery and secrets... Robin Hood is a great example.  But Exalted?  I dunno.

I like Carnivore's thing.  And that many attacks might actually trigger ToGI sometimes.  I guess run it through the SGT or something like that to see how well it does in a stock standard kick in the door sort of game (the sort of game these guys are designed for)?  Slaughtering everything wholesale isn't needed... the only question is whether you can contribute effectively.

JaronK

[SorO_Lost]

But Saint means being Exalted, and Exalted is stuck up even more righteous than Paladins good.  I could easily see plenty of good characters that use thievery and secrets... Robin Hood is a great example.  But Exalted?  I dunno.

I don't think Robin Hood is a good example of "sainthood", but he is a better example than Cipriano who was awarded sainthood. But I digress. Flavor aside there really isn't a notation of Shar ban hammering you for trading her in so let's go with that before we devolve into religion bashing; even if we keep to fiction like Pelor the Burning Hate.

And I did screw up with the ability array, I edited in the mention using PB36 because I was thinking 14 all for the base and wrote in +5 tomes even though the odd point is worthless. That is the mistake I'll admit to but I'm too lazy to fix. Hell reduce the Con if it makes you happy, someone forgot to list HP too *whistles innocently*

Also, trivial consideration. Paying a spellcasting to cast wish on you is 24,250gp cheaper than buying all the Tomes which is almost enough savings to Wish for another bonus. Buy 26 and the 27th is free? What a lame bargain >.>

[carnivore]

when you pay for a spellcaster to cast Wish for you .... it is indeed cheaper, but not that much...exa:

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Spell: The indicated amount is how much it costs to get a spellcaster to cast a spell for you. This cost assumes that you can go to the spellcaster and have the spell cast at his or her convenience (generally at least 24 hours later, so that the spellcaster has time to prepare the spell in question). If you want to bring the spellcaster somewhere to cast a spell you need to negotiate with him or her, and the default answer is no.

The cost given is for a spell with no cost for a material component or focus component and no XP cost. If the spell includes a material component, add the cost of that component to the cost of the spell. If the spell has a focus component (other than a divine focus), add 1/10 the cost of that focus to the cost of the spell. If the spell has an XP cost, add 5 gp per XP lost.

Furthermore, if a spell has dangerous consequences, the spellcaster will certainly require proof that you can and will pay for dealing with any such consequences (that is, assuming that the spellcaster even agrees to cast such a spell, which isn’t certain). In the case of spells that transport the caster and characters over a distance, you will likely have to pay for two castings of the spell, even if you aren’t returning with the caster.

In addition, not every town or village has a spellcaster of sufficient level to cast any spell. In general, you must travel to a small town (or larger settlement) to be reasonably assured of finding a spellcaster capable of casting 1st-level spells, a large town for 2nd-level spells, a small city for 3rd- or 4th-level spells, a large city for 5th- or 6th-level spells, and a metropolis for 7th- or 8th-level spells. Even a metropolis isn’t guaranteed to have a local spellcaster able to cast 9th-level spells.

so assuming 17th lvl Wizard casting Wish =
Caster level x 90 gp = 17 x 90 = 1530gp
+extra cost for XP value(5000XP x 5gp =25000gp)

Total Cost = 1530+ 25000 =  26530gp for a single +1 Inherent as opposed to the cost of a +1 Tome =27500gp .


970gp savings per point of Inherent Bonus


 

[Tshern]

+5 in all six is worthless, +4 in five on them on the other hand... Oh look, 687,000gp in Wealth. If I cared to spend more time in the stats maybe I could have avoided this, but meh who cares. Really, if everyone's biggest beef with my build comes down to "omg odd points and you have an extra +2 bonus you shouldn't have" I'd say job well done.

I would say that too. I quite like that build of yours.

Edit: A question: Can you worship Shar and belong to the Monks of Dark Moon and still be a Saint?

You mean Shar the godess of thieves and secrets and not murder and mayhem like EVERYONE assumes because they see the letter E? I have no idea, why don't you ask Robin Hood the thief, or the three musketeers of treason, or Johan of Ark the mass murderer, or Saint Cipriano the warlock officially introduced by the same people that burned hundreds of girls at the stake because they might have practiced which craft, or really any other folk lore or novel on "heroes".[/quote]
I was just wondering if there was an official ruling about that. Or if the sect the Monk needs to belong to has prerequisites. I don't know where to read about it, so I decided to ask. Please, have a chill pill.

One intelligent enough to read her entry would know Shar's dogma nicely states you are forbidden strive to better your lot in life which fits nicely with a such a follower of humility. Also you don't have to be of the same alignment, her primary aspect (secrets) has nothing to do with alignment, can work with good for a good clause, and there no rules stating loss of the AFC for turning Good, you know. A huge fracking list of things you can pick though and deal with if you want to wage some debate on it. Maybe Invitae only swore to uphold humility to it's highest aspect (VoP) and to keep secrets of, well he is going to tell you. He never took his way of life to be a promise of sucess, and blah blah blah. Srsly, why and I flavoring out the PC to an insane clown like you?

Again, reach for the chill pill jar.

Also, did you consider the Hit and Run Fighter?

[skydragonknight]

Tshern and his chill pills. Not everyone here is into substance abuse.

[Tshern]

Tshern and his chill pills. Not everyone here is into substance abuse.

Really? Would you care for a pill?

[SorO_Lost]

Tshern and his chill pills. Not everyone here is into substance abuse.

Drugs are just the start of things, wait till he has two boats, you're on one, and you wonder just whos remote you have.

Also, did you consider the Hit and Run Fighter?

Nope, I don't know Fighter AFCs. Only reason I took levels in it was for the Feats and Psychic Fighter is off limits.