Author Topic: Found on the Internet: Someone's Top 5 Most Powerful Classes in 3.5  (Read 4241 times)

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Discuss.  Note the honorable mentions.
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Re: Found on the Internet: Someone's Top 5 Most Powerful Classes in 3.5
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2012, 10:26:27 AM »
It's a quite hillarious mix of decent and horribad ideas. Not sure if serious or troll though.

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Re: Found on the Internet: Someone's Top 5 Most Powerful Classes in 3.5
« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2012, 10:36:16 AM »
Seems fairly serious, to me. Plus from his comments he later retcons the title to 'most fun' rather than powerful, and says that spellcasters will beat all.

Innocent, serious, and not using the words 'monks' and 'most powerful' in the same sentence. Gets my vote.
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Re: Found on the Internet: Someone's Top 5 Most Powerful Classes in 3.5
« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2012, 04:38:52 PM »
 :hide ... lets leave C.O. as a secret academy.
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"Fun" is entirely subjective, so he can have good luck with that one.
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Re: Found on the Internet: Someone's Top 5 Most Powerful Classes in 3.5
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2012, 05:35:05 AM »
My vote goes with "innocent", for what it's worth.
With just a touch of naivete.

He makes quite a few silly assertions, such as suggesting you will need Mobility on your Scout because of the large number of AoO's you'll trigger with skirmish (if you find yourself agreeing with this, there is a small chance you are doing it wrong).  Same thing goes for Warblade when he claims it to be a better version of a barbarian, when we all know it is really a better version of fighter (another warning sign: he thinks the Fighter is fine).  And then he suggests healing in combat is a good use of your standard action... and that blasting with a wizard is a solid strategy... moving on.
But at the same time he admitted he's never seen an archivist in play before, and has absolutely the most limited experience with artificers.  If you haven't seen high optimization at the table then it's easy to assume that you are ineffective if your specialty is sitting around and crafting.  He also seems to at least entertain the possibility that magic beats mundane (if for the wrong reasons).

There are some things that can only be taught through experience.  And sometimes it takes witnessing a conjuror outright handling an entire encounter designed for Tier 3 and 4 classes in the first couple of rounds to understand exactly what power is.
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Re: Found on the Internet: Someone's Top 5 Most Powerful Classes in 3.5
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2012, 08:40:15 AM »
I agree with Tonymitsu.

The author does seem to have some concepts down, like the two divine casters being good at fighting, and using the Animal Companion, Wild Shape, and DMM to good effect. He's right about the Warblade, at least at the low/mid-low levels.

His comments do fall apart at things like Dodge/Mobility on the Scout, and in the comments when he mentioned Polar Ray as a comparison to Eldritch Blast. Also, his honorable mentions of Paladin and Fighter seem odd, although he didn't list a level cap. If he were talking about levels 1-6, or something, he'd make a good point. There's actually a really good chance he hasn't played much past 5th - 10th level; a lot of people don't. Also, he did pick up that at higher levels, the infinite spell slots wouldn't matter because casters have more than enough to last all day by that point.

End result: it looks like he gained most of his knowledge directly through playing, and he seems pretty good at finding synergy. In a "standard" casual game, he might even get branded as a min-maxer/munchkin.
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Re: Found on the Internet: Someone's Top 5 Most Powerful Classes in 3.5
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2012, 12:27:46 PM »
In a "standard" casual game, he might even get branded as a min-maxer/munchkin.

This makes me very sad.  :bigeyes

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Re: Found on the Internet: Someone's Top 5 Most Powerful Classes in 3.5
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2012, 12:40:53 PM »
In a "standard" casual game, he might even get branded as a min-maxer/munchkin.

This makes me very sad.  :bigeyes
Yeah. Luckily, I've only sort of played in games like these. The ones I've been in welcome power games, but the self-professed power gamers know less about the game than him.
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Re: Found on the Internet: Someone's Top 5 Most Powerful Classes in 3.5
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2012, 11:37:58 PM »
  Same thing goes for Warblade when he claims it to be a better version of a barbarian, when we all know it is really a better version of fighter (another warning sign: he thinks the Fighter is fine).
Actually the warblade makes a good barbarian with punishing stance, sudden leap, stonebones, and the like.

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Re: Found on the Internet: Someone's Top 5 Most Powerful Classes in 3.5
« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2012, 08:11:40 AM »
There are some things that can only be taught through experience.  And sometimes it takes witnessing a conjuror outright handling an entire encounter designed for Tier 3 and 4 classes in the first couple of rounds to understand exactly what power is.
I am grokking you so hard right now.
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