[Pathfinder] War Hulk conversion

[kevin video]

So one of my players would like to play a cloud giant war hulk, but we've agreed that the War Hulk is a little on the blah side. These are what I'd do to it, wanted other opinions.

d12 - stays
2+Int skills - stays
Climb and Intimidate stay, but Jump becomes Acrobatics.
Saves change to +1/+0/+0 as per the new rules of Pathfinder PrCs.
all Toughness feats stay, and stack giving him +3 hp per HD at WH 10.
BAB goes from +0 for 10 levels to a wizard's 1/2 BAB instead.
Special attacks and qualities stay the same.
Requirements change to Power Attack and Cleave since you need Power Attack to GET Cleave.

I know a lot of people think that the War Hulk is fine by itself without any BAB because of the Strength increases, but that was also back when you could take a level of cleric for Divine Power and magically gain a BAB of 20. Pathfinder nerfed that hard. Now you get a max of +6 to your attack, and it's a luck bonus. The extra attack you also gain doesn't stack with Haste or the Speed property.

[Kethrian]

I think missing Power Attack from the requirements isn't bad.  If there's a monstrous race that gets Cleave as a bonus feat without having Power Attack, it could still get in without the added feat tax.  I have no idea if such a creature exists, but...

It sounds good otherwise.

[kevin video]

With HD giving you more feats than in 3.5, Pathfinder removed almost all bonus feats. And I can't think of any creature that gets Cleave without Power Attack.

[Kethrian]

True, but I don't think it's necessary to add Power Attack to the prereqs.  Yes, it's a good feat for the class to take anyway.  Yes, the vast majority (perhaps all) that enter the class will have to take the feat in order to get Cleave.  But the fact that there's a possibility to get in without it, however small, and isn't gamebreaking to do so, should be left there, precisely because it isn't gamebreaking.

That said, if you want to add it, it's not going to change much, so go ahead.

[kevin video]

True, but I don't think it's necessary to add Power Attack to the prereqs.  Yes, it's a good feat for the class to take anyway.  Yes, the vast majority (perhaps all) that enter the class will have to take the feat in order to get Cleave.  But the fact that there's a possibility to get in without it, however small, and isn't gamebreaking to do so, should be left there, precisely because it isn't gamebreaking.

That said, if you want to add it, it's not going to change much, so go ahead.

No, that's cool. I can leave it out. I just figured that they left it out by accident.

[Kethrian]

Oh, that's entirely a possibility.  But since it's not going to break anything, I wouldn't worry.

[Jackinthegreen]

I dunno, War Hulks can break plenty of things.