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Re: Awesome Stuff You Have to Share, part 2: It Gets Awesomer!
« Reply #600 on: July 13, 2013, 02:54:29 AM »
Curing a degenerative genetic disorder completely?  Awesome beyond awesome.  And this isn't treat.  it's cure.  Like, fixing the actual genetic code cure.  Not a future hope with a new treatment, but has actually happened.  The kids they tried it on are now cured.
Hell yes, and I suspect, with that as a starting point, sickle cell and other genetic disorders can be fixed post-facto.

That's the plan.  Though do note: sickle cell is actually a beneficial mutation.  Kills malaria.  The problem comes from when you have two sickle cell alleles in your code, then you have the full disorder.  I don't think this works to correct that sort of thing, it's more of a "see genetic code segment, replace with this one".  If you assume all sickle cell is bad, then sure, but the mutation did arise for a beneficial reason.  For this, you're looking at diseases like....certain cancer risks, parkinsons, that one that makes you age really fast, various degenerative muscle disorders (maybe MS, not sure), that sort of thing.  Things it will almost certainly not cure: mental genetic disorders (autism, Tourrette's, that sort of thing) complex disorders (sickle cell, autism again), and disorders that drastically change genetic code (like Down's).  Also things that aren't actually genetic like FAS or something.

I've been following retro-viral therapy for a while now, and this stuff is just so exciting to see it work as well as it is.
Yes, it's a beneficial mutation, but no longer a necessary one in any country with healthcare sufficient to deploy gene therapy, since you could control malaria far more easily than sickle cell. It'd probably work best on those with hormone or other singular cell type expression problems, since you just need to update the relevant bits. So cancer is a long way off(it's a full body tendency), but sickle cell for example, only needs part of your bone marrow to be treated, in order to supply sufficient normal red blood cells to work.
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Re: Awesome Stuff You Have to Share, part 2: It Gets Awesomer!
« Reply #601 on: July 13, 2013, 09:35:56 AM »
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Re: Awesome Stuff You Have to Share, part 2: It Gets Awesomer!
« Reply #602 on: July 13, 2013, 01:25:51 PM »
The 700 Club on Dungeons and Dragons
http://youtu.be/kDJ1UOpxjt4
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Re: Awesome Stuff You Have to Share, part 2: It Gets Awesomer!
« Reply #603 on: July 13, 2013, 02:31:19 PM »
Curing a degenerative genetic disorder completely?  Awesome beyond awesome.  And this isn't treat.  it's cure.  Like, fixing the actual genetic code cure.  Not a future hope with a new treatment, but has actually happened.  The kids they tried it on are now cured.
Hell yes, and I suspect, with that as a starting point, sickle cell and other genetic disorders can be fixed post-facto.

That's the plan.  Though do note: sickle cell is actually a beneficial mutation.  Kills malaria.  The problem comes from when you have two sickle cell alleles in your code, then you have the full disorder.  I don't think this works to correct that sort of thing, it's more of a "see genetic code segment, replace with this one".  If you assume all sickle cell is bad, then sure, but the mutation did arise for a beneficial reason.  For this, you're looking at diseases like....certain cancer risks, parkinsons, that one that makes you age really fast, various degenerative muscle disorders (maybe MS, not sure), that sort of thing.  Things it will almost certainly not cure: mental genetic disorders (autism, Tourrette's, that sort of thing) complex disorders (sickle cell, autism again), and disorders that drastically change genetic code (like Down's).  Also things that aren't actually genetic like FAS or something.

I've been following retro-viral therapy for a while now, and this stuff is just so exciting to see it work as well as it is.
Yes, it's a beneficial mutation, but no longer a necessary one in any country with healthcare sufficient to deploy gene therapy, since you could control malaria far more easily than sickle cell. It'd probably work best on those with hormone or other singular cell type expression problems, since you just need to update the relevant bits. So cancer is a long way off(it's a full body tendency), but sickle cell for example, only needs part of your bone marrow to be treated, in order to supply sufficient normal red blood cells to work.

Point.  But on the cancer, say you have a genetic predisposition to breast cancer.  Target the breast tissue.  From what I can gather in that article, they are infecting a large swath of cells and putting them back in the body, so maybe you'll end up with a full body of corrected genes.

As for who it will affect more: I'm not sure this will, at least from a non-statistical view.  From a statistical view, I think it has much more to do with tendencies for certain diseases than anything else.
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Re: Awesome Stuff You Have to Share, part 2: It Gets Awesomer!
« Reply #604 on: July 13, 2013, 04:11:58 PM »
Noting also that due to the genetic causes of cancer, preventative gene treatment is itself a cancer risk owing to the chances of transcription errors. But there is a pretty wide spectrum of hormonal syndromes and hormonal insensitivity syndromes that can be corrected with this, so that's great.
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Re: Awesome Stuff You Have to Share, part 2: It Gets Awesomer!
« Reply #607 on: July 14, 2013, 11:12:40 PM »
Lego has been letting you do that for a while.  And yes, the robotics are awesome.  Someone put a nerf gun on a rover essentially.
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Re: Awesome Stuff You Have to Share, part 2: It Gets Awesomer!
« Reply #608 on: July 14, 2013, 11:55:10 PM »
http://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/sci/diy-nerf-cannon-fires-targets-autonomously.html        :surrender

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Re: Awesome Stuff You Have to Share, part 2: It Gets Awesomer!
« Reply #609 on: July 15, 2013, 01:58:15 AM »
"There is happiness for those who accept their fate, there is glory for those that defy it."

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Re: Awesome Stuff You Have to Share, part 2: It Gets Awesomer!
« Reply #611 on: July 22, 2013, 06:44:25 PM »
So, it's four degrees Celsius outside, and it's windy. I'm returning from work, wearing a suit shirt and jeans. No coat.

Some random guy asks me, "Dude, wtf, aren't you cold?!"

To which I stop, point to the skies, and proclaim:

"Of COURSE not! The soul of a TRUE man burns in flame!"
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Re: Awesome Stuff You Have to Share, part 2: It Gets Awesomer!
« Reply #612 on: July 22, 2013, 08:01:02 PM »
In Canada, that's still T-shirt weather!
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« Reply #613 on: July 22, 2013, 08:29:15 PM »
It is a good day when you can find the mates to at least one subset of socks.  In my case I found all my thermal socks and then put them together where they belong.

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Re: Awesome Stuff You Have to Share, part 2: It Gets Awesomer!
« Reply #614 on: July 22, 2013, 09:26:23 PM »
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« Reply #615 on: July 22, 2013, 09:33:48 PM »
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Re: Awesome Stuff You Have to Share, part 2: It Gets Awesomer!
« Reply #616 on: July 22, 2013, 09:39:55 PM »
In Canada, that's still T-shirt weather!

Same here.  But I get odd looks..

At Kuro: Where are you in Brazil?  Are you south?  I thought you were up north for some reason, so I was confused that it got that cold...But still, you are lucky.  I hate the heat, and wish it could range in temp from 70 down to 20, or for the Celsius people 25 down to -5.
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« Reply #617 on: July 22, 2013, 10:55:06 PM »
I'm south, yeah.

And there are tons of people complaining, but I just call them pussies.

What makes the weather feel horrible around here is that the town is pretty humid and the wind is merciless. Otherwise it's not as cold as it feels.
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« Reply #618 on: July 23, 2013, 12:15:48 AM »
Yeah, me too.  Cold is your friend.  Hot is horrible.  I really hate IN too, because it gets hot and humid more often than not.  Wind is terrible...
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Re: Awesome Stuff You Have to Share, part 2: It Gets Awesomer!
« Reply #619 on: July 23, 2013, 12:39:53 AM »
Basically, I can tell how cold it REALLY is if my breath condenses. Otherwise I know it's the wind.

And I agree. Hate hot weather. I hate getting sweaty.
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