Why is practically everyone against traps?

[Amechra]

I'm remembering someone pointing out that Improvised Weapons break on a natural 1, and that there are certain conditions under which people count as objects...

[linklord231]

I'm remembering someone pointing out that Improvised Weapons break on a natural 1, and that there are certain conditions under which people count as objects...

Do you recall where you heard that?  I've never heard of any official rules where something worse than a miss happens on a natural 1 on an attack roll.

[Amechra]

It was like two years ago; I'll see if I can find what it was I saw...

[ImperatorK]

Drunken Master's Improvised Weapons class feature.

[InnaBinder]

I'm remembering someone pointing out that Improvised Weapons break on a natural 1, and that there are certain conditions under which people count as objects...

Do you recall where you heard that?  I've never heard of any official rules where something worse than a miss happens on a natural 1 on an attack roll.

I recall a similar rule coming up in a discussion about Drunken Master.

[linklord231]

Huh, interesting.  I can see why they did that (so a Drunken Master doesn't get too attached to a particular improvised weapon, blah blah blah), but it sets a lousy precedent.  Also, you could just hand the One Ring to a drunken master instead of trekking all the way to Mt Doom, and he'll have destroyed it for you within 2 minutes.

[InnaBinder]

Huh, interesting.  I can see why they did that (so a Drunken Master doesn't get too attached to a particular improvised weapon, blah blah blah), but it sets a lousy precedent.  Also, you could just hand the One Ring to a drunken master instead of trekking all the way to Mt Doom, and he'll have destroyed it for you within 2 minutes.

I think that's more a function of Unintended Consequences and not having an adequate, categorical definition of "Improvised Weapon" than anything.

[Amechra]

Drunken Master + Unconscious Monster = ???

[InnaBinder]

Drunken Master + Unconscious Monster = ???

Not even unconscious.  Drunken Master + Grappled Foe = (presumably) accidental hilarity