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How many extra attacks does haste grant
« on: December 19, 2012, 06:18:22 PM »
Haste says "When making a full attack action, a hasted creature may make one extra attack with any weapon he is holding. The attack is made using the creature’s full base attack bonus."

I interpret this to say, for example, a 7th level fighter uses his full attack while hasted. Would he then get to swing +7/+2 (normal) then +7/+2 again? Or would he swing +7/+2 (normal) then +7 as his extra attack.

I ask because haste says it uses the full base attack bonus. Other instances like Frenzy from Frenzied Berkserker say "gains a single extra attack at her highest bonus". It says highest instead of full so I would assume that if you had a BAB of +7/+2 you would swing in a Frenzy as +7/+7/+2.

So TLDR, do you get just one attack at your highest bonus with haste or do you get to do your full iterative routine.

Thanks in advance.

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Re: How many extra attacks does haste grant
« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2012, 06:42:34 PM »
There is some confusion as to what that “extra” attack is. It is one extra attack. Period. Not an extra full-attack. It is at your full BAB. You can make your extra attack at any time in the round. If there is some advantage to doing it after all the other attacks are done, you may do it last or first using any weapon you have available, but it is not an actual standard action. You cannot use it to make a move action. You cannot use it to draw a weapon, or scratch your ass. It is an extra attack, ONLY when you make a full attack action. If you are doing a standard and a move action, it then has the benefit of giving you 30 extra feet of movement, but you do not get an extra attack, no matter what you do with your standard action.
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Re: How many extra attacks does haste grant
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2012, 06:43:05 PM »
You get the one extra attack: +7/+7/+2 would be the bonuses. I believe that the frenzied berserker thing is functionally identical too.

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Re: How many extra attacks does haste grant
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2012, 07:02:40 PM »
Thanks, just wanted clarification, wish it stacked with frenzy but i can only have one or the other. Thanks again

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Re: How many extra attacks does haste grant
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2012, 12:38:49 AM »
Just one more thing: if you're fighting with two weapons, for example, you are able to make the extra attack either with your main or your off-hand weapon, but not both.

EDIT: if you're looking for extra attacks in one round, you might consider using items that add actions or free movement to your rounds. Belt of Battle (MiC, p.73) is one such item... Just sayin' :)
« Last Edit: December 20, 2012, 12:44:14 AM by NunoM »

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Re: How many extra attacks does haste grant
« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2012, 12:52:01 AM »
Just one more thing: if you're fighting with two weapons, for example, you are able to make the extra attack either with your main or your off-hand weapon, but not both.

EDIT: if you're looking for extra attacks in one round, you might consider using items that add actions or free movement to your rounds. Belt of Battle (MiC, p.73) is one such item... Just sayin' :)

Just adding on to this a bit, but it looks like Perfect Two-weapon Fighting allows for an extra offhand attack if the hasted attack is used for the primary.

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Re: How many extra attacks does haste grant
« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2012, 01:21:59 AM »
Just one more thing: if you're fighting with two weapons, for example, you are able to make the extra attack either with your main or your off-hand weapon, but not both.

EDIT: if you're looking for extra attacks in one round, you might consider using items that add actions or free movement to your rounds. Belt of Battle (MiC, p.73) is one such item... Just sayin' :)

Just adding on to this a bit, but it looks like Perfect Two-weapon Fighting allows for an extra offhand attack if the hasted attack is used for the primary.

It looks like it, but it doesn't... :tongue
"Haste" gives you one additional attack with any weapon you wield if you take a full attack action. The way i read it, the amount of attacks for each weapon is predetermined by your (BAB + feats + other stuff) and the "Haste" effect kicks in after that.