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Re: How to utilize this unexpected planar coincidence?
« Reply #20 on: February 08, 2013, 11:21:36 AM »
On the cosmic level, it's yet another day, Hati trying to eat the damned sun again. Loki needs to talk his grandson into letting go of the celestial object. When it finally kicks off, it's because Loki is currently imprisoned and tortured, so nobody's capable of calling off the bad doggy.

Meanwhile below, mortals panic and think Ragnarok is rolling around.
Well, I've actually set the period after Loki has been bound and Balder is dead.

I did it because I wanted to introduce a similar conflict to Christianity moving into Scandinavia, thus, the "Roman" empire is about 60% devoted to a cult of Balder, teaching that he is the only way to be reborn after Ragnarok (actual Norse belief was that Balder and a small subset of minor deities would survive Ragnarok, and rule thereafter).

But, the concept could be the same.  Hati snags the coat-tails of the sun for a brief moment, and a mini-Ragnarok ensues.  Same concept as above, but the area of the Total Eclipse is Vanaheim, the northern side in partial eclipse is Niflheim, and the southern side in partial eclipse is Muspelheim.

It's like a 100-mile-wide strip of Neapolitan ice cream draping chaos across the globe.

The time differentials would make for some interesting interactions too.  I could introduce a fairly decent-sized tribe of Fire Giants, a few more demons and undead, and some more fey.  Sounds like a recipe for fun...

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Re: How to utilize this unexpected planar coincidence?
« Reply #21 on: February 08, 2013, 09:54:20 PM »
if Loki is imprisoned, maybe the PCs have to stop Ragnarok somehow, following Veekie's line of thought. (quest for the godly milkbone, scene 1  :P)
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Re: How to utilize this unexpected planar coincidence?
« Reply #22 on: February 08, 2013, 10:52:45 PM »
Postpone it, mostly. Hati is too badass, he could kill even an Aesir in a straight fight, but he could be distracted, or diverted.


Or just fed a powerful laxative.
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Re: How to utilize this unexpected planar coincidence?
« Reply #23 on: February 10, 2013, 11:07:56 AM »
Postpone it, mostly. Hati is too badass, he could kill even an Aesir in a straight fight, but he could be distracted, or diverted.


Or just fed a powerful laxative.
The druid could pull a Loki and Svaðilfari.  Hilarious side effects optional.

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Re: How to utilize this unexpected planar coincidence?
« Reply #24 on: February 10, 2013, 12:00:12 PM »
Postpone it, mostly. Hati is too badass, he could kill even an Aesir in a straight fight, but he could be distracted, or diverted.


Or just fed a powerful laxative.
The druid could pull a Loki and Svaðilfari.  Hilarious side effects optional.
Haha! He'd be stuck in the form of a dire wolf for nearly a year!

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Re: How to utilize this unexpected planar coincidence?
« Reply #25 on: February 11, 2013, 06:32:58 AM »
More like 2 months for canines.  But you could allow any female form to do too.

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Re: How to utilize this unexpected planar coincidence?
« Reply #26 on: February 11, 2013, 11:16:11 AM »
More like 2 months for canines.  But you could allow any female form to do too.
You caught me in a stealth edit.  I had originally written "he'd be stuck in the form of a horse for nearly a year!"  Thinking about what actually happened to Loki.  Then I remembered we were talking about Hati...

Yeah.

The other day I came across this from the old WotC Fey Feature web articles:
https://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/fey/20030214a

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While the Seelie Court celebrates the turning of the seasons, the Unseelie Court chooses the phases of the Moon as the focus of its merry-making. Much more comfortable with the shadows of the night, they feel a special kinship with the cold and harsh lunar mistress. These celebrations are sometimes a parody of the pomp and elegance of the Seelie Court, sometimes homage to their own twisted states of being, and at all times a chance to enjoy the misery of unfortunate "honored guests."
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Ceremony of the Dark Moon

The Ceremony of the Dark Moon is held every four hundred and thirteenth year. The 41-day event is the most highly regarded by the Unseelie Court, for during this time two important astrological phenomenon occur simultaneously.

First, the comet Sharani Kel appears. Its orbit brings it close enough to be seen in both the day and night sky for forty days. Lying low on the horizon, its trailing asteroids and galactic dust create the effect of a red claw ripping a gash in the fabric of the universe.

During this event, the fey druids offer sacrifices of rare creatures, one for each of the elements (fire, water, earth and air) each day, thanking the deities for the fey's long life and health. The ceremony takes place at the ruins in the center of a large crater. The fey believe that the crater, caused by a bolt from the sky that destroyed the stone dwellings of an ancient religious order that had fallen into apostasy, was a warning from the deities against forgetting who granted the fey their powers. Each member of the fey is expected to bring a memento that is valuable to him or her, and cast it into the fire at the center of the ruins.

On the last day of the ceremony, the moon travels in front of the sun, causing the land to grow dark around midday for about an hour. During this time, parents bring their offspring to be blessed by the chief druid. As faerie births are rare, even among the less discriminating fey of the Unseelie Court, there are generally no more than seven children brought forward. Each child receives a small vial of blackest night on a leather cord. This vial, when opened, causes the land to darken while still allowing the wearer sight.

Vial of Blackest Night: Once per day, speaking a command word causes this vial to activate a deeper darkness effect that functions per the spell, except the vial has no effect upon its holder's vision. Only one person at a time can hold a vial and gain the benefits of seeing through the spell. The vial does not grant the ability to see through other deeper darkness spells.

Caster Level: 5th; Prerequisites: Craft Wondrous Item, darkvision, deeper darkness; Market Price: 5,000 gp; Weight: --.

I've got to make use of that mentioned solar eclipse...  even though it would be happening at night on Vanaheim (with my planar set up, there is no possible way for the Unseelie Court to be doing anything during the "day" on Vanaheim).

The comet is "low on the Horizon," so if I just say that it is low on the horizon in the south, then it's always been there, just off-screen (as my players are all in the far north), below the horizon from my players' perspectives.

The only "problem" with it is the description doesn't take into account the flowing time of the Faerie Realm.  Forty-one days every 413 years... on the material plane? Or in the Faerie Realm?

At my flowing time rate of ~29.5 days Midgard = 1 day Vanaheim, that's a pretty big difference.
If it is every 413 years on Midgard, then it's every 14 years in Vanaheim.
If it is every 413 years on Vanaheim*... then it's every 12,195 years on Midgard...

*One thing I've not made up my mind about yet is how the seasons on Midgard interact with the days and seasons on Vanaheim.  On Vanaheim, are summer and winter a mere 6 days apart?  Are the seasons on Vanaheim completely divorced from the seasons on Midgard (I think this is the route I'll go).
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Re: How to utilize this unexpected planar coincidence?
« Reply #27 on: February 11, 2013, 01:11:27 PM »
*One thing I've not made up my mind about yet is how the seasons on Midgard interact with the days and seasons on Vanaheim.  On Vanaheim, are summer and winter a mere 6 days apart?  Are the seasons on Vanaheim completely divorced from the seasons on Midgard (I think this is the route I'll go).
I dunno, week-long seasons sound about right for the realm closest to the natural cycles.
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Re: How to utilize this unexpected planar coincidence?
« Reply #28 on: February 11, 2013, 01:56:41 PM »
*One thing I've not made up my mind about yet is how the seasons on Midgard interact with the days and seasons on Vanaheim.  On Vanaheim, are summer and winter a mere 6 days apart?  Are the seasons on Vanaheim completely divorced from the seasons on Midgard (I think this is the route I'll go).
I dunno, week-long seasons sound about right for the realm closest to the natural cycles.

Well, 3-day seasons.  Summer is ~3 lunar cycles; the same for Autumn, Winter, and Spring.

I get your point, though.

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Re: How to utilize this unexpected planar coincidence?
« Reply #29 on: February 24, 2013, 02:46:50 PM »
Just to get an idea for the magnitude of the destruction waranted. How often does this celestial alignment occur? You said new moon on winter solstice happens once every 50 years.
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Re: How to utilize this unexpected planar coincidence?
« Reply #30 on: February 24, 2013, 04:02:14 PM »
Just to get an idea for the magnitude of the destruction waranted. How often does this celestial alignment occur? You said new moon on winter solstice happens once every 50 years.
I have not looked into how often this happens.  I just stumbled upon it by accident.
This will help me, though...

It looks like a total solar eclipse may have happened on the June 21st, 2001; need to cross reference when the solstice happened that year (yep, solstice 6/21/2001 at 7:32 GMT).  Also a total lunar eclipse on Dec 21st, 2010; again, need to cross reference the solstice date/time (yep, solstice 12/21/2010 at 23:38 GMT).  Another total solar eclipse on March 20th, 2015 (yep, equinox 3/20/2015 at 22:45 GMT). Total lunar eclipse Dec 20th, 2029 (nope, Dec 21st that year).  Plus the one in this discussion, makes 5 potential instances in 50 years, four of which do align...

You may have a point... this may just be too damn common to make anything of it.

I figured out the new moon on winter solstice thing by looking up the dates of the winter solstice, over ~200 years, then looking through a lunar calendar to see when they matched up.  A lot of times, when you would have a new moon on Dec 21st, that year the solstice actually would happen on the 20th (it can be either the 20th or 21st), and vice versa.  The year I used for the lunar events in my game is 2033 (now 2034); IIRC, I think they also matched up in 1967, or something like that.

Now I've properly researched for the eclipses.  Thanks for giving me a kick to the head.   :thumb

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Re: How to utilize this unexpected planar coincidence?
« Reply #31 on: February 25, 2013, 10:49:47 AM »
Just to get an idea for the magnitude of the destruction waranted. How often does this celestial alignment occur? You said new moon on winter solstice happens once every 50 years.
I have not looked into how often this happens.  I just stumbled upon it by accident.
This will help me, though...

It looks like a total solar eclipse may have happened on the June 21st, 2001; need to cross reference when the solstice happened that year (yep, solstice 6/21/2001 at 7:32 GMT).  Also a total lunar eclipse on Dec 21st, 2010; again, need to cross reference the solstice date/time (yep, solstice 12/21/2010 at 23:38 GMT).  Another total solar eclipse on March 20th, 2015 (yep, equinox 3/20/2015 at 22:45 GMT). Total lunar eclipse Dec 20th, 2029 (nope, Dec 21st that year).  Plus the one in this discussion, makes 5 potential instances in 50 years, four of which do align...

You may have a point... this may just be too damn common to make anything of it.

I figured out the new moon on winter solstice thing by looking up the dates of the winter solstice, over ~200 years, then looking through a lunar calendar to see when they matched up.  A lot of times, when you would have a new moon on Dec 21st, that year the solstice actually would happen on the 20th (it can be either the 20th or 21st), and vice versa.  The year I used for the lunar events in my game is 2033 (now 2034); IIRC, I think they also matched up in 1967, or something like that.

Now I've properly researched for the eclipses.  Thanks for giving me a kick to the head.   :thumb
I am kind of sad that you came to that conclusion. It was not meant as a kick in the head. I kinda hoped it would be a once every 1 million years forcing you to start Ragnarock ;)

I found this answers.yahoo. Which might or might not help. You found the nasa eclipse site I see. There seems to be a kind of patern where elcipses coincide with a solstice once every 15 or 20 years or so and than skip over 300 years. Maybe you could do something with that.

Of course you could have the large scale destruction and make the PC's change the moons orbit so it won't happen again.

Edit: just realised this. New moon and winter solstice once per 50 years and solar eclipse on winter solstice once every 20 years gives new moon and solar eclypse on winter solstice every 1000 years. Pretty damn rare I'd say.
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Re: How to utilize this unexpected planar coincidence?
« Reply #32 on: February 26, 2013, 11:50:06 PM »
Edit: just realised this. New moon and winter solstice once per 50 years and solar eclipse on winter solstice once every 20 years gives new moon and solar eclypse on winter solstice every 1000 years. Pretty damn rare I'd say.
Would this not be once every 100 years?
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