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Making a She-Demon..
« on: March 17, 2013, 06:12:05 PM »
this is a followup to this thread

im not planning on playing it... this is just a build exercise.... making an arch enemy for my angel build.

what i am basically looking for is a combination balor/succubus that can be built by class levels/prc's etc.

what i am pretty sure of is that a lesser tiefling with 1 level of the half-fiend transition class (1 LA bought off).  she will basically charm people into having her way with them then use them to her advantage.  she likes combat also and can buff herself.  she can use diplomacy or kill you, each with great ease. 

the build so far is warlock 1/ cleric 4/ eldritch disciple 10/ mystic theurge 5.... (houserule 1: practiced spellcaster affects warlock's EB damage and CL.  houserule2: warlock can use arcane related prc's) so that ends me with 16 levels of invocations with 20th lvl EB and CL.  9th lvl cleric spells.  pretty good.

with this build i can already:
buff to large size and be a combat beast with divine power/righteous might. 
get a lot of temp hp with the wild frenzy divine patron gift. 
use the eldritch glaive in close combat for some nice dmg. (fluff it to look like its flaming?) or EB from a distance (brimstone and vitriolic blast essences).
fly (fell flight)

im looking for suggestions for:
balor-like flaming body (maybe fire shield from fire domain?)
demonic/evil feats?
poison for the bite attack?
charm/domination to get followers (charm domain? ... charm invocation?)
fear attacks?

this build is not set in stone... any better ideas are welcome! the more the merrier.  also, criticism on this posted build would be great also!! thanks!

no homebrew... all 3.5/3.0 and most dragon are ok!

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Re: Making a She-Demon..
« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2013, 11:43:54 AM »
Since your going cleric, why not pick up http://dndtools.eu/spells/planar-handbook--79/balor-nimbus--2197/. Matches fluff better than fire shield.
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Re: Making a She-Demon..
« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2013, 07:13:10 PM »
maybe run Fey'ri over Tiefling/Half-Fiend Transition?

The Alter Self at will is quite godly.
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Re: Making a She-Demon..
« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2013, 09:39:29 AM »
I prefer ur-priest over cleric in such a build if you can make the flavor work.  After all, worshiping a dead god IS listed as potential flavor for Ur-Priest.

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Re: Making a She-Demon..
« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2013, 08:21:20 PM »

The Alter Self at will is quite godly.

Then you can switch from being a she-demon to a he-demon and vice versa. Very useful depending on the situation.
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Re: Making a She-Demon..
« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2013, 03:43:59 AM »
Demon? Not sure about that. But I've had a very successful Chaotic Good erinyes archer as a cohort before...

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Re: Making a She-Demon..
« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2013, 12:08:54 AM »
maybe run Fey'ri over Tiefling/Half-Fiend Transition?

The Alter Self at will is quite godly.

its no longer alter self, its now "change shape" as per the web update.

would you still consider that godly?


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Re: Making a She-Demon..
« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2013, 08:54:51 AM »
maybe run Fey'ri over Tiefling/Half-Fiend Transition?

The Alter Self at will is quite godly.

its no longer alter self, its now "change shape" as per the web update.

would you still consider that godly?

Well certainly not nearly as good, but it depends on what forms you could take I suppose.
Where is this web update, it is news to me.
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Re: Making a She-Demon..
« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2013, 09:40:13 AM »
You know I've kicking around ideas for a Shigekuni Yamamato style build that kind of sounds like you'd like.

Fire Shield
Namely, use Fire Shield in conjunction with a Ring of Mystic Fire. Your shield deals 5d6+CL (max 20) damage. And there is a BoED version that half the damage is divine that Cleric can learn. Refluff the Good to Evil and pick up Vile Metamagic. Unlike the Balor Nimbus it works against any melee attack and one half the damage is (sortof) uncurable.

Minions
The standard Dominate Humanoid Spell works well enough. To really play into the evil aspect don't forget to animate their remains. In fact...

Flaming undead minions
Cut into either Prestige Bard, [Divine] Bard, of the Inspire Courage ACF for Paladin. Pick up Lingering Song, Requiem and Dragonfire Inspiration as Feats and if Bard based you can trade one of your Musics in for Song of Heart. Badge of Valor+Inspiring Song+Masterwork Instrument later and it's an at least +4d6 fire damage augment and you can Inspire all nearby Undead for a number of rounds equal to ConcentrationSpent+5. :D

Poisonous Bite Attack
Illithid's Grasping Mandibles costs 15k and gives to a Bite attack that deals 2d6 damage, comes with Improved Grab & Constrict as well. There is a Yuan-Ti Graft called Poisoned Fangs and I'm sure you can see where I'm going with this...

Fear
There is several ways to do there and we have a Fear Handbook. So have a link.

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Re: Making a She-Demon..
« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2013, 05:38:17 AM »
maybe run Fey'ri over Tiefling/Half-Fiend Transition?

The Alter Self at will is quite godly.

its no longer alter self, its now "change shape" as per the web update.

would you still consider that godly?

Well certainly not nearly as good, but it depends on what forms you could take I suppose.
Where is this web update, it is news to me.

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/we/20040313a

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Re: Making a She-Demon..
« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2013, 08:13:05 PM »
maybe run Fey'ri over Tiefling/Half-Fiend Transition?

The Alter Self at will is quite godly.

its no longer alter self, its now "change shape" as per the web update.

would you still consider that godly?

Well certainly not nearly as good, but it depends on what forms you could take I suppose.
Where is this web update, it is news to me.

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/we/20040313a

Any Humanoid form is still pretty decent.
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Re: Making a She-Demon..
« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2013, 10:13:13 PM »


Any Humanoid form is still pretty decent.

yeah, the form is.  but from my reading, it doesnt appear that you get anything from the forms except nat attacks, and movement speed.   you dont even get the nat armor, which is a huge bummer.

seems to basically be all about the 10+ to disguise

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Re: Making a She-Demon..
« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2013, 10:15:00 PM »
You know I've kicking around ideas for a Shigekuni Yamamato style build that kind of sounds like you'd like.

Fire Shield
Namely, use Fire Shield in conjunction with a Ring of Mystic Fire. Your shield deals 5d6+CL (max 20) damage. And there is a BoED version that half the damage is divine that Cleric can learn. Refluff the Good to Evil and pick up Vile Metamagic. Unlike the Balor Nimbus it works against any melee attack and one half the damage is (sortof) uncurable.

Minions
The standard Dominate Humanoid Spell works well enough. To really play into the evil aspect don't forget to animate their remains. In fact...

Flaming undead minions
Cut into either Prestige Bard, [Divine] Bard, of the Inspire Courage ACF for Paladin. Pick up Lingering Song, Requiem and Dragonfire Inspiration as Feats and if Bard based you can trade one of your Musics in for Song of Heart. Badge of Valor+Inspiring Song+Masterwork Instrument later and it's an at least +4d6 fire damage augment and you can Inspire all nearby Undead for a number of rounds equal to ConcentrationSpent+5. :D

Poisonous Bite Attack
Illithid's Grasping Mandibles costs 15k and gives to a Bite attack that deals 2d6 damage, comes with Improved Grab & Constrict as well. There is a Yuan-Ti Graft called Poisoned Fangs and I'm sure you can see where I'm going with this...

Fear
There is several ways to do there and we have a Fear Handbook. So have a link.

all great ideas, soro. thanks. 

would you go with the tiefling/half fiend or the fey'ri?

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Re: Making a She-Demon..
« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2013, 10:57:24 PM »
another question... would the lesser fey'i (no higher abilities, and not outsider /+1LA) be eligible to pick up the half fiend transition class?

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Re: Making a She-Demon..
« Reply #14 on: April 17, 2013, 11:46:01 PM »
I believe it is considered a Tiefling but I am not sure on that,
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