Mundane infiltrator/subterfuge-type character

[ImperatorK]

Yeah, because +60 Disguise isn't enough.
Just because at higher levels True Seeing is available doesn't mean it's common. Yeah, it might be more common in the game you're playing because it's a spy-themed game, but it's still not common enough to not take a better race just because of it.

And changeling rocks at every level.

[zook1shoe]

You could throw out deceitful as the feat lost. That prob wouldn't change alot and move skill focus to 3rd level slot

[Shadowstalker]

I'm still not sold on Changeling - losing a feat, as well as losing one skill point per level, as well as the ability to take Able Learner, all for what is effectively a Hat of Disguise which I make slotless and then swallow.

[zook1shoe]

Human Heritage (or whatever the RoD feat) makes you part human.

but I understand if you don't want to


have you bought a collar of umbral metamorphosis? That's an amazing item

[Shadowstalker]

Human Heritage (or whatever the RoD feat) makes you part human.

but I understand if you don't want to


have you bought a collar of umbral metamorphosis? That's an amazing item

Definitely intending to - it's too useful to pass up for the sneak jobs, even if I'd have to pass it to a cohort or party member for many of the social jobs!

[zook1shoe]

Throw it in a glamoured possum pouch, no ones going to find that easily. Esp if you're playing a low end role (ie Joe-Bob the dead cart hauler)

[Shadowstalker]

Throw it in a glamoured possum pouch, no ones going to find that easily. Esp if you're playing a low end role (ie Joe-Bob the dead cart hauler)

Sure, it can hold a few useful items, but I'm more concerned about the dire implications of being caught, and incriminating items being found! After all, it's a DC 30 Search check, so it can be found with a thorough patdown (Take 20) by a 2nd level guard with Skill Focus: Search and 14 Int - common-enough when entering a high-security area. Also, a quick glance with Detect Magic will find the magical aura.

As with all items for this sort of character, it's situational - useful in specific circumstances, but you can't rely on being able to have it with you at all times. Better to optimise without items, be able to improvise your way through any situation, and take advantage of items when you're able to use them...

[bruceleeroy]

A detect magic wouldn't see an aura through clothing, unless your clothing somehow fails to provide total cover to your possum pouch.

Also, Nystul's Magic Aura is 1 day per level. Bam, undetectable magic items. Unless you're somehow screwing up enough that someone is casting identify on your gear.

[Shadowstalker]

A detect magic wouldn't see an aura through clothing, unless your clothing somehow fails to provide total cover to your possum pouch.

Yes it would. From the SRD: "The spell can penetrate barriers, but 1 foot of stone, 1 inch of common metal, a thin sheet of lead, or 3 feet of wood or dirt blocks it. "

And it'd be pretty hard to justify wearing a lead apron around...

Also, Nystul's Magic Aura is 1 day per level. Bam, undetectable magic items. Unless you're somehow screwing up enough that someone is casting identify on your gear.

I don't get it until level 19. Is it worth delaying the rest of my class progression by a level just to do this?

[Raineh Daze]

A detect magic wouldn't see an aura through clothing, unless your clothing somehow fails to provide total cover to your possum pouch.

Yes it would. From the SRD: "The spell can penetrate barriers, but 1 foot of stone, 1 inch of common metal, a thin sheet of lead, or 3 feet of wood or dirt blocks it. "

And it'd be pretty hard to justify wearing a lead apron around...

Do you think you could get lead foil? Lead lined clothing?

[zook1shoe]

Ha... Nice idea. And the lead can be thin enough to not be noticeable besides a couple spells that detect the metal itself

@nystul's magic aura.... Get a drow insignia for it for cheap

[bruceleeroy]

A detect magic wouldn't see an aura through clothing, unless your clothing somehow fails to provide total cover to your possum pouch.

Yes it would. From the SRD: "The spell can penetrate barriers, but 1 foot of stone, 1 inch of common metal, a thin sheet of lead, or 3 feet of wood or dirt blocks it. "

And it'd be pretty hard to justify wearing a lead apron around...

Also, Nystul's Magic Aura is 1 day per level. Bam, undetectable magic items. Unless you're somehow screwing up enough that someone is casting identify on your gear.

I don't get it until level 19. Is it worth delaying the rest of my class progression by a level just to do this?

Oh for fuck's sake. I stared at the SRD for a good minute before posting, thinking "Man, I remember this spell penetrating some kinda barriers. Oh well, must have been thinking of something else."

Also, it's a 1st level spell, buy a fucking wand and use it in advance.

[zook1shoe]

That works too, just cast and throw into the pouch until tmw, repeat

[Shadowstalker]

Ha... Nice idea. And the lead can be thin enough to not be noticeable besides a couple spells that detect the metal itself

@nystul's magic aura.... Get a drow insignia for it for cheap

Having played a previous infiltrator, I regularly found myself stealing, and then wearing, all sorts of clothing - guard uniforms, beggar's rags (that wouldn't cover a possum pouch), even the Faerun equivalent of a Pope's hat. So it's not really practical to have to rely on special, lead-lined clothes. Good if you're just trying to hide from effects, though, without maintaining a disguise.

[Shadowstalker]

That works too, just cast and throw into the pouch until tmw, repeat

Maybe a custom 5/day item would be better - I don't have the skill points to spare for UMD.

Also, a possum pouch doesn't hide the magical auras of its contents - it's just a colostomy bag that's hard to find, not an extradimensional space.

[zook1shoe]

Drow insignia would be cheaper in the long run.

put a bag of holding or belt of many pouches in the pouch

have an openable lead sheet just cover the pouch, then you're free to steal clothes

[Shadowstalker]

Drow insignia would be cheaper in the long run.

put a bag of holding or belt of many pouches in the pouch

have an openable lead sheet just cover the pouch, then you're free to steal clothes

Drow insignia with Nystul's Magic Aura (CL 3), plus a lead-lined Possum Pouch.

The Bag of Holding or Belt of Many Pouches wouldn't work, though - they're both too big to fit in a Possum Pouch. (10" diameter, maximum 2" thickness, normally used as a hidden money belt or to hide documents)

Doesn't help with the Search check for getting into high-security areas, though.

[zook1shoe]

The belt prob would fit, or definitely a folded up portable hole (or maybe the kobold relic version?)

a mundane disguise check would prob hide the pouch, that sounds reasonable, vs. The search against an undisguised pouch.

[Shadowstalker]

Discussed the lead foil/sheet with the DM, and, based on his experience as a materials engineer, it won't work.

Apparently, lead foil exists, and you can wrap it around things for radiation shielding, but only for fixed, non-moving objects. Flex it back and forth a few times (and it'd be flexing a lot if incorporated into clothing, or a possum pouch) and it quickly falls apart in your hand. The 'lead' aprons used to take X-rays don't actually contain a solid, continuous layer of lead.

And, for a more in-game reason, a lead-lined possum pouch would hide the magic auras of the pouch's contents, but not the aura of the pouch itself. To hide the aura of the pouch, the lead covering would need to go over the pouch and, therefore, would no longer be hidden by the pouch's illusion and be easy to find...

Just to clear things up, it's not a spy- or stealth-themed game - it's a normal game, in the sense that the backstory and the overall threats are the same as you'd find in a hack-and-slash game. Just that we're approaching the problems with guile, strategy and allies/minions/pawns rather than brute force, tactics and personal power.

[Keldar]

Pity they never updated the Bag of Vanishing to 3e.  That thing was great for smuggling things in anywhere.  Can't find what isn't on you when they're looking.