Titanic Creature

[TC X0 Lt 0X]

Might be best to just specify partial cover/concelament though.
Altho piercing Total Concealment miss chance would probably be fine, the issue is more ignoring walls.

Giant creatures bust through walls in feats of dramatic destruction all the time to get the hero on the other side!

Well they do.
Id probably prefer some kind of check to break through a wall based on it's hardness.
Afterall only the toughest creatures should be busting through 5ft walls of adamantine or similar.

[oslecamo]

Can't think of a way to implement it that wouldn't be either absurd or clunky (wanna make an aoo? Roll Str check, let me check the hardness, wait there's multiple walls in between and one is made of magic force...)

For now updated to ignore cover less than total and all concealment for Aoo purposes.

[Raineh Daze]

I'd possibly add an exception for stuff like 'medieval house walls'. You know, dried shit and reeds for wattle and daub stuff. In general, some sorta dirt over wood at its thickest. XD

[TC X0 Lt 0X]

For the Just a scratch ability, do you also apply any growth from other monster classes, or only once from the Bigger is Better class feature?

[oslecamo]

Added clause to Catch Insect to ignore total cover granted by stuff you could break in a natural 1 (in which case it is destroyed).

And any mentions to "how many times you picked growth" refer to BiB picks only.

[Psysama]

I am sorry, call me dumb, but whenever Growth is selected, does that have the same effect as a size increase (+str, -dex, +con, etc)?  Sorry, I must have rolled a 1 on my knowledge check (doh!).

[Raineh Daze]

I am sorry, call me dumb, but whenever Growth is selected, does that have the same effect as a size increase (+str, -dex, +con, etc)?  Sorry, I must have rolled a 1 on my knowledge check (doh!).

No. That's somewhere in one of the stickies.

[VennDygrem]

Specifically, in the post titled "Introduction and FAQ- Read This First!"

[Psysama]

Thank you very much, and sorry for the trouble!

[jojolagger]

It's a class with so many options, though! @_@

... honestly think adding it to the extra option list would be fitting.

It'll be a hot day in the fifth layer of Hell before I make a feat that grants permanent growth.

Not even with a clause like saint, requiring you to have X levels of Titanic Creature first?

Hmm... Ok, put it in with the condition you need to have taken 13 levels of Titanic creature.

I don't suppose the 13 level requirement could be specific to the growth option? Trying to keep up with Improved Area Attack, Giant step, and Growth without missing the other goodies is hard enough without waiting until max level to spend feats on them.

Also, might I suggest Big Picture give a little bit more range increase per size category? Even just 10 ft per instead of 5 ft, so at the high sizes they grow at the same rate as Space/Reach.

[oslecamo]

Considering that Giant Step and Improved Area attack are doubling effects, I don't feel like it would be a good idea to make them easier to spam, in particular when you can already swap Size Matters options for Bigger is Better ones.

Buffed big picture a bit, increasing special sense range by 10 feet per size and doubling the skill bonus.

[jojolagger]

Just realized something stupid.
This:

I don't want to grow!
If a monster class would make you grow but you would rather stay in your previous size, you may instead simply gain a +2 to a physical stat of your choice.

Means that titanic creature's growth power can be used to not grow and still unlock a new step of Improved Area Attack and Giant Step.
Spend 2 class levels for +2 to physical stat of your choice, double speed, and double AoE size? Sounds good to me.

[oslecamo]

You're not first person to suggest that.

Crazy question: Can you still choose "I don't want to grow!" when choosing "Growth" from BiB?

You could, but then you don't gain the Growth ability at all, and it thus wouldn't count towards unlocking the titanic abilities that need it.

[Yasahiro]

Sorry for necromancing but I realized it.'s a good place for this, relevant to class and all.

There's an issue regarding AC and Attack roll penalties past colossal. In some cases, such as the most obvious combo I utilize, by taking 7 levels of a giant class and all of titanic, hell even just 5 of titanic, you can reach size category of Colossal++++, what's the problem? In your FAQ you said penalties to AC and Attack roll past colossal increase by 4 for each size past colossal. So at C++++ it is at -26 to AC and Attack Roll. Basically making impossible to use with any regular attack, and as I mentioned in Chaos template thread, some abilities utilize Attack roll as DC or just for its effects, but even if they get bonus effects for being bigger, DC actually becomes lower. That really penalized any concept that focuses on Size. Even if you pick overwhelm, that's a +1 increase to DC and some stuff per size categories. Doesn't offset it.

It's an issue I noticed in some cases, as the stat increases don't really keep up. Most D&D monsters utilized the bonus strength from size increase which at Gargantuan already is +24. And the particularly big monsters had a lot of HD, offsetting its penalties to attack. Can't something be done to make attacking with weapon or such at big sizes viable?

[oslecamo]

I combined two monster classes with gestalt/monster hybrid and now I'm suposed to grow beyond colossal! What happens?
Your character's space and reach increase by 10 feet, height is doubled, its natural armor increases by an extra 1, its natural weapons increase one die size, gain an extra +4 on grapple/bullrush/trip and similar maneuvers that care about size.

There is no mention of scaling penalties. You only gain bonus after colossal here.

Also:

It's an issue I noticed in some cases, as the stat increases don't really keep up. Most D&D monsters utilized the bonus strength from size increase which at Gargantuan already is +24.

That is false. The bloody table with stat boosts for growth is only for DMs advancing monster through HD-and only for that. Actual monsters already stated have whatever ability progression the author feels like. For a simple example take the black dragon. Juvenile is medium and has 17 Str, young adult is large and has 19 Str. Ancient has 33 Str and is huge, Wyrm has 35 and is Gargantuan. A good part of what inspired me to start this whole project was precisely that there is no rhyme nor reason to how monsters get their stats in 3rd edition, the authors just threw numbers at the wall until they felt they were big enough, and that's one of the main reasons there's no balanced way of making them playable beyond complete rewrites.

[Yasahiro]

I combined two monster classes with gestalt/monster hybrid and now I'm suposed to grow beyond colossal! What happens?
Your character's space and reach increase by 10 feet, height is doubled, its natural armor increases by an extra 1, its natural weapons increase one die size, gain an extra +4 on grapple/bullrush/trip and similar maneuvers that care about size.

There is no mention of scaling penalties. You only gain bonus after colossal here.

Also:

It's an issue I noticed in some cases, as the stat increases don't really keep up. Most D&D monsters utilized the bonus strength from size increase which at Gargantuan already is +24.

That is false. The bloody table with stat boosts for growth is only for DMs advancing monster through HD-and only for that. Actual monsters already stated have whatever ability progression the author feels like. For a simple example take the black dragon. Juvenile is medium and has 17 Str, young adult is large and has 19 Str. Ancient has 33 Str and is huge, Wyrm has 35 and is Gargantuan. A good part of what inspired me to start this whole project was precisely that there is no rhyme nor reason to how monsters get their stats in 3rd edition, the authors just threw numbers at the wall until they felt they were big enough, and that's one of the main reasons there's no balanced way of making them playable beyond complete rewrites.

No penalties? Oh. Ohmy. I'm sorry for doubting you ever, Oslecamo. Please accept my thanks and apologies

[Raineh Daze]

The STR bonuses these classes give pretty much offset the size penalties all the way up to Colossal (+1 Str/+1 Con classes generally get colossal at around level 16, at which point they've gotten +16 STR so +8 to hit... completely nullifying the attack penalty and getting the size benefits and extra damage/HP), so there's not a reason to worry about losing out on attack as compared to normal progression.

Hell, AC generally derives somewhat from CON so you also negate THAT penalty.

Just do something about your abysmal touch AC.

[SorO_Lost]

For a simple example take the black dragon. Juvenile is medium and has 17 Str, young adult is large and has 19 Str. Ancient has 33 Str and is huge, Wyrm has 35 and is Gargantuan. A good part of what inspired me to start this whole project was precisely that there is no rhyme nor reason to how monsters get their stats in 3rd edition, the authors just threw numbers at the wall until they felt they were big enough, and that's one of the main reasons there's no balanced way of making them playable beyond complete rewrites.

*Feels warm inside*

[Yasahiro]

So how do abilities based on how many categories you're bigger than a creature interact if titanic creature is attacking a SWARM? Is it dependent on size of each individual creature or size of swarm?

[oslecamo]

Swarm size.