Discussion and Suggestion Thread

[The-Mage-King]

OHHEY ALMOST FORGOT TO SAY THIS.


Don, I wound up making a little class on the Giantitp forums that uses Spellshaping in one Archetype (of currently 4, soon to be five). Magician one, specifically. Figured I should mention it to you. 

[phaedrusxy]

I just want to say that... wow, this looks amazing. I haven't had a chance to look it over that much yet, but what a great idea! And it is presented very well, and looks quite interesting and, at least at first glance, balanced (unlike that poorly thought-out abomination the Arcane Swordsage... ). Bravo!  I definitely want to check this out, and use something from it in the future (as an NPC or PC).

[DonQuixote]

So, I swear that I'm going to update the Codex II PDF.  I'm just still getting used to this level of work--I know, I've been saying that for weeks.  I think that, after getting that done, I'm going to have to just out-and-out declare that I'm taking a break.  Not that I'm stopping, mind you, but that I don't feel that I'll be able to get anything of real substance pushed out for at least a month.

OHHEY ALMOST FORGOT TO SAY THIS.


Don, I wound up making a little class on the Giantitp forums that uses Spellshaping in one Archetype (of currently 4, soon to be five). Magician one, specifically. Figured I should mention it to you. 

It shall be added to the index!

I just want to say that... wow, this looks amazing. I haven't had a chance to look it over that much yet, but what a great idea! And it is presented very well, and looks quite interesting and, at least at first glance, balanced (unlike that poorly thought-out abomination the Arcane Swordsage... ). Bravo!  I definitely want to check this out, and use something from it in the future (as an NPC or PC).

Many thanks, sir!  This project far outstripped my own expectations, but there it is.  I had fun writing it, and people will hopefully have fun using it.

[DonQuixote]

Modified the Dragonheart Adept and the Sublime Shaper to break their insane dipping capacity.

Edit: Also made the changes to the ashbound oracle that I had mentioned on the previous page.

[pppp]

There is a lot of interesting prestige classes in older DnD supplements. Obviously, they aren't compatible with spellshapers. Because of that, I decided to convert one of my beloved classes - Walker in the Waste from Sandstorm. The adaptation was very quick and easy, but do you consider this prestige class as balanced and comparable to your creations? I post only adapted/clarified abilities to avoid copyright issues.

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Spellshaping Walker in the Waste

Entry Requirements
   Skills: Knowledge (religion) 8 ranks.
   Feat: Heat Endurance.
   Arcane Formulae: Ability to shape 2nd-level formulae, must know at least two Searing Flame formulae and two Devouring Shadow formulae.

THE WALKER IN THE WASTE         HIT DIE: d6

Level	Base Attack Bonus	Fort Save	Ref Save	Will Save	Formulae Known	Formulae Prepared	Special
1st	+0	+0	+0	+2	1	0	Desiccating spellshaping, Improved Heat Endurance
2nd	+1	+0	+0	+3	1	1	The wasting
3rd	+1	+1	+1	+3	1	0	Local drought
4th	+2	+1	+1	+4	1	1	Withered toughness
5th	+2	+1	+1	+4	1	0	Pillar of salt
6th	+3	+2	+2	+5	1	1	Create sand golem
7th	+3	+2	+2	+5	1	0	-
8th	+4	+2	+2	+6	1	1	Create salt mummy
9th	+4	+3	+3	+6	1	0	Greater drought
10th	+5	+3	+3	+7	1	1	Dry lich

Class Skills: As Walker in the Waste.

   Formulae: At each level, you gain a new formula known from the Searing Flame or Devouring Shadow circles.  In addition to meeting the formula’s prerequisite, your spellshaping ability score must be equal to at least 10 + the formula’s level in order to learn it.  You add your full walker in the waste levels to your shaper level to determine your total shaper level and your highest-level formulae known.
   At each even-numbered level, you gain an additional formula prepared per day.

   Desiccating spellshaping (Sp):  At 1st level, you learn how to drain moisture with your spellshape attacks.  Whenever you attack with Withering Hand or Fireblast attack you can change damage type to dessication. If you attack plant creatures or elementals with the water subtype, damage dice increases to 1d8.

   Dry Lich: On reaching 10th level, if you undergo the Sere Rite, you gain dry lich template without its level adjustment.

[DonQuixote]

Looks like a fairly straightforward conversion to me, but why do you get the template without its normal level adjustment?  I assume that there's a reason they left the LA on the original class.

Edit: Just looked at the level adjustment on Dry Lich.  It's +5?  Jeebus.  Yeah, I'd also say that dropping it is not horribly broken in this case.

[Nanshork]

Looks like a fairly straightforward conversion to me, but why do you get the template without its normal level adjustment?  I assume that there's a reason they left the LA on the original class.

Edit: Just looked at the level adjustment on Dry Lich.  It's +5?  Jeebus.  Yeah, I'd also say that dropping it is not horribly broken in this case.

Also, most people interpret as you don't get the LA in the original class.

[sirpercival]

Just letting you know, several people have expressed interest in playing spellshapers in High Arcana.  So you'll likely get some feedback.

[Nanshork]

Just letting you know, several people have expressed interest in playing spellshapers in High Arcana.  So you'll likely get some feedback.

I'm one of them.

Here's some feedback: Stop making cool looking base classes, I can't pick one because too many look awesome.   

[DonQuixote]

Just letting you know, several people have expressed interest in playing spellshapers in High Arcana.  So you'll likely get some feedback.

Huzzah, feedback!  Actually, judging from my reaction to the flurry of posts this morning, feedback might get me back in the saddle.  So, double huzzah!

I'm one of them.

Here's some feedback: Stop making cool looking base classes, I can't pick one because too many look awesome.   

Well, I think I'm mostly done writing new base classes.  I have two more concepts to try, but--other than that--my To-Do list consists entirely of ACFs, feats, prestige classes, and monsters.

[phaedrusxy]

Just letting you know, several people have expressed interest in playing spellshapers in High Arcana.  So you'll likely get some feedback.

I'm one of them.

If you couldn't tell from all my comments and questions... I'm another.

I added an ACF for my Shield Guardian monster class to let it stack when determining your Spellshaper level. My character is here, with a link to the monster class, if you're interested.

[DonQuixote]

I think my favorite part is that, if you get to a high enough level, you'll be able to turn people into wolves by shooting lightning from your eyes.

[DonQuixote]

Just got off of my lunch break.  Instead of, you know, eating food or anything, I ended up writing out the mechanics for the ranged weapon equivalent to the spellshape champion.  Ranged weapons and thrown weapons, to be precise.

I'll post it as soon as I fill out all the fluff.  Currently, everything that isn't mechanical simply reads "STUFF."  But, rest assured, it'll be up soon.

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   Command Projectile (Su): When you reach 4th level, you gain the ability to exert your will on projectiles that you fire.  As a free action following a ranged attack, you can choose to command your projectile, keeping it aloft and allowing it to follow impossible trajectories.
   A commanded projectile is not destroyed, even if it hits its target.  Instead, it remains in the air under your command.  You can make attacks and channel spellshape attacks and formulae through the projectile as though you were firing it normally, except that you determine range, cover, and other combat modifiers as though you were firing the projectile from any square adjacent to the projectile's most recent target.
   You may only command one projectile at a time, and you can only maintain control for a number of rounds equal to your Charisma modifier.  Maintaining control of a commanded projectile is a free action.  You can abandon a commanded projectile at any time as a free action, destroying the projectile in the process. 

[DonQuixote]

Well, I can't say that I expected that to take as little time as it did, but there you are.

[sirpercival]

Next gestalt game I'll have to seriously consider playing a Spellshot Marksman // Sniper.

[DonQuixote]

My God.  Even ignoring the sniper's 16th-level "range increments no longer exist" ability, your range increment with a heavy repeating crossbow would be 780 feet, assuming that you took Far Shot.  That means that you could make shots of over a mile.

Between that and Command Projectile (and a Charisma modifier of 16,857), you could fire a bolt around the world in roughly twenty-eight hours.  The bolt would be going 886.36 (repeating) miles per hour.

[DonQuixote]

Incidentally, I think I've now applied all the errata that was pending, including things discussed earlier today in the individual threads.  New PDFs, accordingly.

[radmelon]

I really like the spellshot marksman, it's nice to have some support for ranged combat, and it lets you have a gun that shoots people with time. (Or the sun, or the moon, or their own imagination...)

[Nanshork]

So far Anchorite 10 is the only way to have more than one aura at a time.  I understand the thought process behind that, but it really puts a damper on multiclassing into Ardent Soulshaper. 

[phaedrusxy]

So far Anchorite 10 is the only way to have more than one aura at a time.  I understand the thought process behind that, but it really puts a damper on multiclassing into Ardent Soulshaper.

Isn't there a feat that can grant you an aura? Or does that still limit you to only having one at a time?