Uber Optimized Archivist type character. Need a little more help.

[Shareeth]

oki I keep checking. Found out about an hour ago that the game I'm building this character for wont start for at least 6 months. T_T

[Shareeth]

May move Mass Effect Spell to Persistent Spell position, and take Touch Mastery (Lets me use Int Mod instead of Str Mod for touch attacks (melee and ranged), pathfinder – Complete Advanced Feats p.37) since Persistent spell in pathfinder is nothing like the metamagic of the same name in 3.5.

DM also let me take Vest of the Archmagi from 3.5

[Shareeth]

Looking deeper into Spellwarp sniper and i'm not seeing how it'll do me any good. So, I'll need to come up with a new 20th level class, or go back to having Archivist 4 in that slot. I REALLY dislike what pathfinder did to Persistent Spell.

Need to see if there is a spellcaster level advancing PrC that can be taking before 5th level, to replace some of those archivist levels in the beginning.

[DavidWL]

May move Mass Effect Spell to Persistent Spell position, and take Touch Mastery (Lets me use Int Mod instead of Str Mod for touch attacks (melee and ranged), pathfinder – Complete Advanced Feats p.37) since Persistent spell in pathfinder is nothing like the metamagic of the same name in 3.5.

I agree 100%.  I am not that familiar with Pathfinder, and looking at what they did for the feat ... a mediocre pick.

Best,
David

[DavidWL]

Looking deeper into Spellwarp sniper and i'm not seeing how it'll do me any good. So, I'll need to come up with a new 20th level class, or go back to having Archivist 4 in that slot.

Some different dip options:
Contemplative - bonus domain
Tainted Scholar - if you want to play with taint
Mindbender - for telepathy and taking Mindsight feat

Best,
David

[Shareeth]

Looking deeper into Spellwarp sniper and i'm not seeing how it'll do me any good. So, I'll need to come up with a new 20th level class, or go back to having Archivist 4 in that slot.

Some different dip options:
Contemplative - bonus domain
Tainted Scholar - if you want to play with taint
Mindbender - for telepathy and taking Mindsight feat

Best,
David

Already have telepathy from Vampire Lord template, bonus domain is tempting, and not sure I can play with taint. DM is very much considering on making this a non-chaotic and non-evil campaign. *is a good little vampiric she-kobold*

Gonna hafta read more into it. It's intriguing.

Edit: Since Concentration is removed in Pathfinder, I can take this Tainted Scholor at 2nd-3rd and then at 20th level.
Edit2: and with Tainted Spellcasting, I can either never cast a tainted spell due to all spells being a divine source, or can never cast a tainted spell even though the spell is an arcane spell type due to my Will Save being 50 before I roll the dice and automatically winning the will-save dc check vs gaining depravity.
Edit3: Too bad Contemplative requires 5 levels of something else first. But I might take it for my 20th level.

[Shareeth]

Updated Feat list.
Still need 1 more feat

Updated Equipment list - showing what is in each of the pathfinder granted body slots
Still need neck and feet slot
Still need to figure out how to add more to the spellcraft check.

Will update spell list on the morrow.

Changed Vampire lord from linky to spoiler so you aren't redirected elsewhere to look at it.

In some of the posts here, GitP, and Brilliant Gameologist, there have been mention of 50% off magical items if only the character can use it. This is separate from the 50% reduction in market price due to being the creator of the item. Is that additional 50% from a book or SRD/PRD? Or another source that I can point it out to my DM.

[Shareeth]

Seems I finally whittled down my DM's stoic facade and he MAY let me replace ninja with unseen seer w/o the skill requirements, so I could just plug it in. which means i'll be 18th spellclass level, and 15th character level AND 21 caster level (at lowest). Though what happens in 3 levels when i'm a 21 spellcaster level, I've no idea.

Edit: He has allowed that also, so I'll be putting that in and update my stat block accordingly. My feats for 1-15 are pretty set, unless there's some reason (that's REALLY good) to change them. I am still working on figuring out how to get other types of spellcraft bonuses. I recently saw how to get competence so I created a base for that on the neck and will just add to the neck item multiple spellcraft bonuses.

I did update the spell list; it doubled in size. Agreed I can have any spell from divine and arcane that an archivist could get but I still have to pay for the spells, thus the reason for a more limited list.

[Shareeth]

I have some questions that i put at the bottom of the OP if anyone can offer me insight, I'd be most appreciative.

[JaronK]

I'm playing an Archivist right now... here's some of my spells (also my spells to get list, but this is actually missing my go to spells because they're harder to copy and paste):

Heat Water (Clr 0), Resize (Clr 0)

Audible Artisan (Clr 1), Detect Violence (Clr 1),  Extract Drug (Clr 1), Holy Defense (Clr 1, Pal 1), Identify (Clo Clr 1), Sign (Clr 1), Traveler's Shoes (Clr 1),  Unseen Servant (Clo Clr 1), Witness to the True (Clr 1),

Avoid Planar Effects (Clr 2), Benediction (Clr 2), Communal Chanel (Clr 2),  Darkness (Clr 2), Desecrate (Clr 2), Elation (Clr 2), Enhance Weapons (Clr 2), Fertility (Clr 2), Festival Feast (Clr 2), Fox's Cunning (Clo Clr 2), Guidance of the Avatar (Cleric 2), Lahm's Finger Darts (Corrupt 2),  Locate Touchstone (Clr 2, Brd 1, Dru 1), Lore of the Gods (Clr 2), Obscuring Snow (Clr 2), Wither Limb (Clr 2), Zone of Truth (Clr 2),

Absorb Mind (Corrupt 3), Adoration of the Frightful (Clr 3), Analyze Touchstone (Clr 3), Attune Form (Clr 3), Augment Object (Clr 3), Continual Flame (Adept or Cleric 3),   Favorable Sacrifice (Clr 3),  Illusory Script (Clo Clr 3), Secret Page (Clo Clr 3), Tongues (Clo Clr 3), Immerse Mind (Clr 3), Invisibility Purge (Cleric 3), Mass Resist Energy (Clr 3, Dru 3), Misrepresent Alignment (Clr 3), Shackle (Clr 3), Skull Watch (Clr 3), Slow Death (Death 3), Stone Shape (Clr 3), Stonesight (Clr 3), Rain of Terror (Clr 3), Rockburst (Clr 3, Spirit Shaman 2), Shivering Touch (Clr 3), Soul of Shadow (Blackguard 2, Clr 3), Vision of the Omniscient Eye (Clr 3, Dru 3),

Animate Undead Legion (Clr 4), Black Binding (Clr 4), Delay Death (Clr 4), Detect Scrying (Clo Clr 4), Dismissal (Clr 4), Divine Power (Clr 4), Enhance Armors (Clr 4), Favor of Ilmater (Clr 4, Pal 4), Feed the Many (Clr 4), Freedom of Movement (Healer 4, Cleric 4, Drd 4, Rng 4), Glowing Orb (Clr 4), Identify Transgressor (Clr 4), Plague Cloud (Clr 4), Revenance (Clr 4),  Shape Metal (Clr 4), Skull of Secrets (Clr 4), Stone Metamorphosis (Clr 4, Dru 4), Wall of Salt (Clr 4),

Atonement (Clr 5, Emissary of Barachiel 4), Break Enchantment (Clr 5, Pal 4, Emissary of Barachiel 4), Elemental Guardian (Clr 5, Dru 4), Ensnare the Heart (Clr 5), Extract Gift (Clr 5), Greater Stone Shape (Cleric 5), Hallow (Cleric or Druid 5),  Haunt Shift (Cleric 5), Hibernate (Clr 5), Mark of Justice (Clr 5, Pal 4), Mule's Enlightenment (Clr 5), Parboil (Clr 5), Past-Seeing (Clr 5), Righteous Wrath of the Faithful (Cleric 5), Rivivify (Healer 5, Cleric 5), Sacred Guardian (Cleric 5), Scrying (Clr 5, Oracle 4, Emissary of Barachiel 3, Corrupter 3), Soul Anchor (Clr 5), Stalwart Pact (Clr 5), Superior Resistance (Clr 5, Dru 5), Wall of Magma (Clr 5),

Algid Enhancement (Clr 6), Banishment (Clr 6), Call Faithful Servants (Clr 6), Cloak of Hate (Clr 6), Create Bad-Corpse Dust (Clr 6), Create Undead (Clr 6), Forbiddance (Clr 6),  Gambler's Luck (Clr 6), Geas/Quest (Clr 6, Despot 4), Greater Dispel Magic (Clr 6), Greater Magic Circle (Clr 6), Harm (Clr 6), Heal (Clr 6), Hero's Feast (Clr 6), Revive Outsider (Cleric 6), Wall of Tentacles (Clr 6),

Planar Bubble (Clr 7), Refuge (Clr 7), Renewal Pact (Clr 7), Greater Scrying (Clr 7), Minor Servitor (Clr 7), Stone Trap (Clr 7), Stone Walk (Clr 6), Symphonic Nightmare (Clr 7),

Create Greater Undead (Clr 8, Undead 8), Holy Aura (Clr 8)

Disguise Self (Trickery 1), Command Undead (Undead 2), Blade of Pain and Fear (Deathbound 2), Ghoul Glyph (Hunger 2),   Secret Page (Rune 2), Anyspell (Magic 3), Distilled Joy (Joy 3), Glyph of Warding (Dwarf 3, Rune 3, Clr 4), Ray of Exhaustion (Oppression 3), Recitation (Purification 3, Clr 4),  Armor of Darkness (Darkness 4), Explosive Runes (Rune 4), Shadow Conjuration (Shadow 4, Bard 4), Lesser Planar Binding (Rune 5), Permanancy (Time 5), Skyline Runner (City 5), Wall of Iron (Metal 5, Earth Shugenja 5), Teleport (Portal 5, Travel 5), Shadow Evocation (Shadow 5, Bard 5), Awaken Undead (Deathbound 6), Contingency (Time 6), Greater Anyspell (Magic 6), Avasculate (Deathbound 7), Control Undead (Undeath 7), Greater Shadow Conjuration (Shadow 7), Greater Teleport (Travel 7), Hardening (Artifice 7), Limited Wish (Spell 7), Avascular Mass (Deathbound 8), Foresight (Mentalism 8, Mind 8, Time 8), Greater Shadow Evocation (Shadow 8), Mindblank (Trade 8), Polymorph Any Object (Transformation 8, Trickery 8), True Creation (Artifice 8, Creation 8), Monstrous Thrall (Domination 9), Shades (Shadow 9)

Forbidden Speech (Corrupt 5), Power Leech (Corrupt 5), Consume Likeness (Corrupt 6), Vileblade (Corrupt 6), Curse of Pain Eternal (Corrupt 7), Rapture of Rupture (Corrupt 7),

Alarm (Rng 1, Urban Druid 1, Wealth 1), Lay of the Land (Ranger 1), Primal Hunter (Ranger 1), Smell of Fear (Rng 1), Primal Instinct (Ranger 2), Hunter's Eye (Ranger 2), Darkvision (Rng 3), Primal Senses (Ranger 3), Primal Speed (Ranger 4), Bloodfreeze Arrow (Rng 4), Doublestrike Arrow (Rng 4),

Soul of Order (Pal 1), Warning Shout (Pal 1), Righteous Fury (Paladin 2), Greater Magic Weapon (Pal 3), Break Enchantment (Paladin 4, Despot 4), Dominate Person (Despot 4, Brd 4), Door to Great Evil (Pal 4), Draconic Might (Paladin 4), Favor of the Martyr (Paladin 4),

Web (Adept 2),  Scorching Ray (Adept 2)Tongues (Adept 3, Commerce 3, Emissary of Barachiel 2), Lightning Bolt (Adept 3),  Heal (Adept 5),

Agasha's Touch (Druid 0, Shaman 0, Shugenja 0), Arm (Druid 1), Keen Hearing (Dru 1), Snowsight (Dru 1, Rng 1), Entangle (Dru 1 or Rng 1), Pass Without Trace (Shugenja 1, Druid 1, Ranger 1), Speak With Animals (Healer 1, Drd 1, Rng 1),  Blinding Spittle (Dru 2), Creeping Cold (Dru 2), Downdraft (Dru 2), Kelpstrand (Dru 2), Scent (Dru 2, Rng 2), Wood Shape (Dru 2, Artifice 2, Craft 2), Animal Form (Dru 3, Clr 4), Camel's Tenacity (Dru 3, Clr 4), Control Temperature (Dru 3), Coral Growth (Dru 3), Embrace the Wild (Dru 3, Rng 3), Plant Growth (Dru 3, Rng3, Plant 3), Stinking Cloud (Dru 3), Treasure Scent (Dru 3), Arc of Lightning (Dru 4), Boreal Wind (Druid 4), Improved Blindsight (Dru 4), Restore Nature (Dru 4, Clr 5), Remember (Dru 4), Slipsand (Dru 4, Rng 4),  Bite of the Weretiger (Dru 5), Commune with Nature (Dru 5), Fabricate (Urban Druid 5, Artifice 5, Dwarf 5, Trade 5, Greed 5), Mantle of the Icy Soul (Dru 5, Clr 6), Owl's Insight (Dru 5), Phantom Stag (Dru 5), Transmute Sand to Glass (Dru 5), Transmute Sand to Stone (Dru 5), Transmute Stone to Sand (Dru 5), Wind Tunnel (Dru 5), Guards and Wards (Urban Druid 6), Fey Ring (Brd 6, Dru 6, Clr 7), Transmute Metal to Wood (Dru 7), Undermaster (Dru 9)

Create Spring (Shaman 2),

Feathered Footfalls (Brd 1), Immediate Assistance (Brd 1), Good Luck (Brd 2), Misdirection (Brd 2), Burden (Brd 3), Glibness (Brd 3, Urban Druid 3, Commerce 4), Listening Coin (Brd 3), Moral Facade (Brd 3, Clr 4, Pal 4), Ray of Dizziness (Brd 3), Sepia Snake Sigil (Brd 3), Anamensis (Brd 4), Beacon (Bard 4), Modify Memory (Brd 4, Mentalism 4), Permanent Image (Brd 6, Creation 7, Air Shugenja 6, Moon 6)

 Disguise Self (Shugenja 1, Consecrated Harrier 1), Whispers of Nothingness (Air Shugenja 1), Anvil of the Kami (Earth Shugenja 3), Torrential Rain (Water Shugenja 4, Moshi School 3), Symbol of Air (Air Shugenja 5), Symbol of Earth (Earth Shugenja 5), Symbol of Water (Water Shugenja 5), Contingency (Water Shugenja 6), Forever Secret (Air Shugenja 6), The Seed of Quanon (Water Shugenja 6, Sor/Wiz 6), Laughter of the Risen Earth (Earth Shugenja 7), Ring of Air (Air Shugenja 9), Ring of Earth (Earth Shugenja 9), Ring of Fire (Fire Shugenja 9), Ring of Void (Void Shugenja 9), Ring of Water (Water Shugenja 9)The Mirror's Smile (Air Shugenja 9)

A Moment Ago (Sor/Wiz 1), Clothier's Closet (Sor/Wiz 2), Create Magic Tattoo (Sor/Wiz 2), Darsson's Chilling Chamber (Sor/Wiz 2), Darsson's Fiery Furnace (Sor/Wiz 2), Ray of Stupidity (Sor/Wiz 2), Improved Arcane Lock (Sor/Wizard 3), Transparency (Sor/Wiz 3), Awaken the Mind (Sor/Wiz 4), Clou's Closet (Sor/Wiz 4), Magic Jar (Wiz/Sor 5, Envy 6, Spirit 6), Touch of Vecna (Sor/Wiz 5), Animate Dread Warrior (Sor/Wizard 6), Nybor's Psychic Imprint (Sor/Wiz 6), Steal Life (Sor/Wiz 8)

Greater Heroism (Emissary of Barachiel 4), Heaven's Trumpet (Emissary of Barachiel 4)

Gift of the Kansen (Maho-Tsukai 5), Fu Leng's Champion (Maho-Tsukai 8)

Hopefully that helps a bit.

JaronK

[Shareeth]

Wow JaronK! Thank you very much! ^__^

Makes me think i should also add, like you did, which class is providing the spell. So that I can re-verify later that it was a legitimate acquisition of the spell. oh, then i should add what school they're in. Yep yep, I'll do that tomorrow then more after work. ^__^

Any other help on maybe getting spellcraft incorporated into an item? as my DM will allow it if i show the spell source or how obtained. Just buying a +30 moral, or exalted or whatever wont fly with him. Which also makes me think of how how high i actually need it to be... I'll do the math in the morning.

Oh ideas for better equipment too please! if there's better equipment. Later on, I'll figure out what I can afford and what I cannot ^__^

[OblivionSmurf83]

I don't know if anyone's suggested it yet, but Academic Priest would make you more SAD


Also, you've got spells stiched up already, but is one of the party an Artificer? If so, could he provide a spell for any scroll you scribe (so that it remains divine)?

[Shareeth]

I had used academic priest initially, then changed over to Lost Tradition. It's changes over all aspects of spell casting to a stat, thus the DC is changed to being based on intelligence also (0 level spells have 31 DC )

I'm the only crafter, the only divine, the only "arcane". The others are a lich trapmonkey rogue/ninja, a tiefling vampire ninja precision based, a half giant, half fiend barbarian, and the last is something that is wholly precision damage, like 6-11 classes to give him 13d6 precision damage attack.

I can scribe scrolls though. Gaining spells isn't a problem really, my background is part of a knowledge based church and I'm the 133 year old kobold librarian. The DM's storyline is that the churches are combining efforts to take down an entity that is currently a god that shouldn't be a god. As such the churches will provide my spells. I just need the ones that can qualify for an archivist and then the more useful ones of those.

Then, the equipment is for the most part crafted by me; anything able to be crafted with Craft Wondrous Item feat. The time for our "training" into god assassins is 15 years. Lots of time to slowly make up stuff that I'll need. I'm just not sure what will be good to have. The DM has to make custom monsters to deal with CR 23 players. At least he says he has all the story aspects complete.

[JaronK]

Note by the way that my character is a Tainted Sorcerer Archivist, so he can ignore material components (and due to a Binder level, he can heal Corruption costs as well).  As such, some of the spells I picked (like Favorable Sacrifice and Symbol of Sleep) are amazing for me but less so for you.

Here's the character sheet by the way, where you can also see my go to spells (listed in the spells and powers section).  http://www.thetangledweb.net/forums/profiler/view_char.php?cid=62114

JaronK

[Shareeth]

Misrepresent Alignment spell opens a lot of possibilities... I had been shown the path that your character has taken by DavidWL. But due to the campaign being anti-chaotic and anti-evil I could not take that path. But *looks at that spell again* I wonder if i can RP it out for my DM prior to game, so that I can possibly do some of that...

Awesome possibilities! ^__^ Thanks!

[JaronK]

Also note that a lot of those spells are there for combo reasons... Rain of Terror + Slow Death + Persistent Consumptive Field, for example.  Likewise, Extract Drug is there to get the needed drug component for one of the other spells.

Bard spells are gotten through Divine Bard, while Sor/Wiz spells are gotten through Divine Magician or Arcane Disciple (Cleric variant).

JaronK

[Shareeth]

Don't divine spells only need the focus, not the material components? As such all your archivist spells don't need components?

[TravelLog]

Jaron, where are half of these spells coming from? I've never heard of some of them. Parboil? Clothier's Closet?Witness to the True? Many, many more...

[JaronK]

Material components apply to everyone.  Only Arcane Material Components (such as Identify) are ignored by Clerics/Archivists/Druids/Etc.

Jaron, where are half of these spells coming from? I've never heard of some of them. Parboil? Clothier's Closet?Witness to the True? Many, many more...

Check the complete list of spells thread that's currently on these boards ( http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=9784.0 ).  There's some great stuff in there.  I'm actually working on an improved database that uses that list, and in the process I found a ton of great stuff. 

But since you asked:

Parboil:
Evocation [Fire]
Level: Anagakok 4, Ancestral Speaker 5, Arcane Disciple 5, Archivist 5, Aspirant 5, Beholder Mage 4, Benevolent 5, Chameleon 4,
Cleric 5, Crusader (base) 5, Deathwalker 4, Evangelist 5, Favored Soul 5, Fleshcrafter 4, Mystic 5, Sha‘ir 4, Sorcerer/Wizard 4, Soul
Reaper 4, Sublime Chord 4, Ur-Priest 5
Components: V, S, M/DF
Casting Time: 1 standard action
Range: Close (25 ft + 5 ft / 2 levels)
Area: 20ft-radius spread
Duration: Instantaneous
Saving Throw: Fortitude partial; see text
Spell Resistance: Yes
You flash-heat the air in an area, boiling the blood and baking the brains of creatures caught inside. The hot air deals 6d6
points of fire damage and 2d4 points of Intelligence damage, Creatures that make successful Fortitude saves take half fire damage andno Intelligence damage.
Arcane Material Component: Water and a pinch of sulfur.

Used for killing off low Int creatures like most animals and magical beasts.

Clothier's Closet
Conjuration (Creation)
Level: Anagakok 2, Beholder Mage 2, Chameleon 2, Deathwalker 2, Fleshcrafter 2, Sha‘ir 2, Sorcerer/Wizard 2, Soul Reaper 2,
vigilante 2
Components: V, S, M
Casting Time: 10 minutes
Range: Close (25 ft + 5 ft / level)
Effect: One or more sets of clothes
Duration: 1 hour / level (D); see text
Saving Throw: None
Spell Resistance: No
When you and your companions need to attend a gala reception at the last minute, you need not despair over your clothing.
When you cast clothier’s closet, you conjure a 3-inch-diameter wooden rod up to 10 feet long between any two upright supports you choose. For example, you could summon the rod to appear between two walls of a corridor or alcove. On the rod hang a number of outfits as determined by you, each of a size and type you specify while the spell is cast.
The conjured rod can hold a variety of separate outfits whose total price does not exceed 100 gp. The outfit types that you
can specify include the following: artisan‘s outfit (1 gp), cleric‘s vestments (5 gp), cold weather outfit (8 gp), courtier‘s outfit (30 gp), entertainer‘s outfit (3 gp), explorer‘s outfit (10 gp), monk‘s outfit (5 gp), noble‘s outfit (75 gp), scholar‘s outfit (5 gp), or traveler‘s outfit (1 gp).
The conjured clothing is normal in all respects and does not radiate magic. Even after the duration elapses and the rod and
hangers disappear, the clothes remain.
Special: A character with any Mark of Hospitality dragonmark, or with the Favored in House feat (Ghallanda), can cast
this spell without the material component, but the conjured clothes last only as long as the spell‘s duration.
Material Component: A gem worth at least 100 gp.

Combined with Tainted Sorcerer, it's an endless source of free clothing.  Handy since my character is running an orphanage.

Witness to the True
Enchantment (Compulsion) [Mind-Affecting]
Level: Ancestral Speaker 1, Arcane Disciple 1, Archivist 1, Aspirant 1, Benevolent 1, Chameleon 1, Cleric 1 (The True), Crusader
(base) 1, Evangelist 1, Favored Soul 1, Holy Liberator 1, Knight of the Chase 1, Mystic 1, Paladin 1, Pious Templar (good) 1, Ur-
Priest 1
Components: V, DF
Casting Time: 1 full round
Range: Touch
Target: One creature touched
Duration: Instantaneous
Saving Throw: Will negates (harmless)
Spell Resistance: No (harmless)
The target of the spell must immediately and truthfully answer a single question posed by the caster as part of the spell.
The question must be phrased such that it can be answered ―yes‖, ―no‖, or ―I do not know‖, and the target must reply with one of those answers.

An obvious way to deal with certain political situations.  Very handy.  Works great with "Have you lied to me at any time in the past 5 minutes?" after a chat... unlike Zone of Truth, they don't know they can't lie until after they've spoken.

JaronK

[TravelLog]

Thanks Jaron. Any spells you found in particular that stood out as amazing finds?