I need to make a DC20+ will save at level 5. [Solved]

[Nytemare3701]

Can't change my class, feats, or stats.

My current will save is +7

The DC of this save is currently a 20, but I expect it to go up significantly every level.

I only NEED to make this save once, but being able to make it reliably would be better.

My tools:

I have 8k gold, 3rd level cleric casting, and Evocation/Conjuration from sorcerer/wizard.

[Garryl]

Try to get the Moment of Perfect Mind maneuver, which lets you use Concentration in place of a Will save. Then use Divine Insight or Guidance of the Avatar to shoot your skill check through the roof and ensure you can make it even on a 1 (which isn't an auto-fail for skill checks). You can snag it with either Heroics (a 2nd-level Sor/Wiz spell) or by spending 3k gold on a Ring of the Diamond Mind. The only problem is that Heroics is a Transmutation spell, not Evocation or Conjuration.

If the maneuver angle doesn't work, here are a few save boosters off the top of my head.
Conviction adds a healthy morale bonus to all saves. I think it's still only +2 at your level.
Owl's Wisdom for the enhancement bonus to Wisdom is another +2 on the save.
Guidance is a cheap +1 competence bonus.

[awaken_D_M_golem]

(ninja'd) ... with that, Expend Psi-Focus is effectively Take 15.

[Nytemare3701]

Try to get the Moment of Perfect Mind maneuver, which lets you use Concentration in place of a Will save. Then use Divine Insight or Guidance of the Avatar to shoot your skill check through the roof and ensure you can make it even on a 1 (which isn't an auto-fail for skill checks). You can snag it with either Heroics (a 2nd-level Sor/Wiz spell) or by spending 3k gold on a Ring of the Diamond Mind. The only problem is that Heroics is a Transmutation spell, not Evocation or Conjuration.

The save is whenever I level, so I'll only need to make it 15 times, tops. Unfortunately, I expect the save to scale into the hundreds.

I'll just nab a potion of Heroics for the first one, then grab a ring when my WBL allows me to spend 3k on one item.

[Bearchucks]

Don't forget the obvious Cloak of Resistance.  EDIT: It might help if you mentioned what your save calculation looks like already.  Wis, Base Save, etc.

[Maat Mons]

I expect the save to scale into the hundreds.

Eventually, you can use surge of fortune (Complete Champion, p128) to auto-succeed. 

[Raineh Daze]

Also, what is this insanely scaling save?

[wotmaniac]

If you have 3 feats to burn, there's always Dumb Luck.

[Nytemare3701]

I expect the save to scale into the hundreds.

Eventually, you can use surge of fortune (Complete Champion, p128) to auto-succeed. 

That will simplify things.

Also, what is this insanely scaling save?

Tainted Sorcerer. The save to take any other class levels is a will save = 10+Taint.

[Jackinthegreen]

Ah, you mean Tainted Scholar.  The save is actually 10 + Depravity score, not Taint.

How high do you really expect your Wis to go to?  Based on the table on page 63, getting into the 100's for that check will require a Wis score of 25+.  Not hard to get of course, but still notable.

And hopefully you'll be able to persist Surge of Fortune?

[Nytemare3701]

Ah, you mean Tainted Scholar.  The save is actually 10 + Depravity score, not Taint.

How high do you really expect your Wis to go to?  Based on the table on page 63, getting into the 100's for that check will require a Wis score of 25+.  Not hard to get of course, but still notable.

And hopefully you'll be able to persist Surge of Fortune?

Actually, I meant tainted Sorcerer, from UA. I can't get into tainted Scholar as a cleric.

"Whenever a tainted sorcerer gains a new level and wishes to advance a level in some other class, she must succeed on a Will saving throw (DC 10 + taint score)"

[ariasderros]

And hopefully you'll be able to persist Surge of Fortune?

You can't persist spells that can be discharged, and you discharge SoF in order to 'take 20' on a roll.

Even w/o persisting it though, once that spell comes online, it will solve the scaling issues. Beyond that, he just needs to make the save until then.

[Vicerious]

Do you only have cleric spellcasting, or do you actually have cleric?

More importantly, do you have domains and do you follow a deity?

If you do, you can use the spell substitute domain (CC, Clr2) to pick up a domain your deity offers, including the granted power.  Powers to look for:
All are once per day. unless noted otherwise.

• Luck: Reroll a d20 before you know if you succeeded.
• Madness: -1 to Wisdom skills/checks and Will, but add 1/2 your level to a Will save.
• Mentalism: Resistance bonus on next Will save equal to your level + 2.
• Mysticism: Cha as luck bonus to saves.
• Pride: Whenever you roll a natural 1 on a save, reroll it and keep the second result.

Luck and either Madness or Mentalism, depending on how big a resistance bonus you can otherwise get, are probably the best choices.

If you don't have domain access, you could consume a domain draught (MIC, 3300gp) to gain a domain for 24 hours.

[Nytemare3701]

Do you only have cleric spellcasting, or do you actually have cleric?

More importantly, do you have domains and do you follow a deity?

If you do, you can use the spell substitute domain (CC, Clr2) to pick up a domain your deity offers, including the granted power.  Powers to look for:
All are once per day. unless noted otherwise.

• Luck: Reroll a d20 before you know if you succeeded.
• Madness: -1 to Wisdom skills/checks and Will, but add 1/2 your level to a Will save.
• Mentalism: Resistance bonus on next Will save equal to your level + 2.
• Mysticism: Cha as luck bonus to saves.
• Pride: Whenever you roll a natural 1 on a save, reroll it and keep the second result.

Luck and either Madness or Mentalism, depending on how big a resistance bonus you can otherwise get, are probably the best choices.

If you don't have domain access, you could consume a domain draught (MIC, 3300gp) to gain a domain for 24 hours.

I'm a cleric, I have Illusion, Planning, and Knowledge domains, and Surge of Fortune has already solved my problem in the long term, while Moment of Perfect Mind has solved it in the short term.