Min/Max Boards

In theory, DR would be doubled as well and any magical effect save they would have to roll twice on, as it is two separate hits, just with only one attack roll. But you are right, this is far more complicated then I thought when I wrote it.

As for the 20/15 instead of 20/10... that was to increase the effectiveness of it, however it did not spell this out.

I blame 4am.

Anyway, lets do this again.

The wording change to Paragon Duel Wield is good, so I think I will leave that at that.

Paragon of war has the issue that it has a LOT to explain. It has to deal with magical weapons save DCs, vorpal blades (a good example where Paragon of war WOULD be a downgrade), what BAB it uses, DR, and the like. So combining rolls doesn't seem easy without a wall of text explaining the ability.

Lets see what I can do

Paragon of war: Paragon of War: You need Paragon Dual Wield or Paragon Proficiency to qualify for this Greater Excellence. The Paragon has gotten so Masterful at combat, that his attacks flow into one another, and it is hard to tell where one ends and the other begins. In addition, the true master knows how someone will block a strike, and attack in such a manner that the next attack will be awkward to block.
The Paragon rolls once vs AC, for every two attacks made. For the purposes of BAB and Crit, this is treated as only 1 attack, meaning that on a 20/15/10/5 BAB array, the attacks use 20/15. However for all other purposes, (DR, Magical effects of a weapon, and the like) this is treated as two separate attacks, as the weapon impacts twice.


Now, why do I make it 20/15, instead of 20/10... well from my impression, the whole idea of the 20/15/10/5 array, is that every following attack is harder to make as it tends to be IRL. In this case, however, the idea is you make an attack in such a manner that one attack naturally lines up into the second, so that the weapon is already on the way to your next strike. Think like throwing a haymaker punch in such a way that it punches the guys head into your other fist, a short sword strike that is already turning to strike at the neck as it cuts the stomach, or an upslash attack on the left side of his body, specifically designed so that when he responds to that (too late) he opens himself up to getting smashed in the head by the same weapon.

Or mechanically, if you want to be so minded... it makes the effect better.


Before I work on Perfected Coordination, I want to know, is that any clearer, or should I try a different approach?

Maybe this kinda progression would solve the problem.

NOTE: This is the first time I have actually made something like this, as opposed commenting on balanced. I expect it to be broken. Please balance it for me... or at least discuss Balance with me.

Excellence.
Paragon Dual Wield: You need Two-Weapon Fighting or Multiweapon Fighting to pick this Excellence. Whenever you're fighting with two weapons, you may make an attack with your off-hand for every attack you make with your main hand instead of the regular number of attacks you would get for fighting with two-weapons. This includes Aoos and Charges. Double the bonus you gain from using Potential points for attacks and damage rolls while fighting with two weapons.

Greater Excellence.
Paragon of War: You need Paragon Dual Wield or Paragon Proficiency to qualify for this Greater Excellence. The Paragon has gotten so Masterful at combat, that his attacks flow into one another, and it is hard to tell where one ends and the other begins. In addition, the true master knows how someone will block a strike, and attack in such a manner that the next attack will be awkward to block.
You only need to roll one attack roll for every two attacks you make on a target. Should the attack succeed, both attack hit.

Perfect Excellence
Perfect Coordination: You need Paragon of War or Forged by Experience to qualify for this Perfect Excellence. The Paragon, has, via either magical enhancement or perfection of form, complete understanding of its body and where its limbs are. This can be used to attack as if all limbs are acting in perfect harmony. You only need to make one attack roll for every attack you make. In addition to this, should you have 4 or more limbs, Paragon Dual wield applies to all limbs, HOWEVER you must make at least two attacks, as the oppoent can at this stage dodge out of some of your blades into others, should he chose so.


I don't like the last one... But making Paragon Dual wield apply to all limbs, in a Marilith would mean so many attacks a round its actually insane. 3 attacks a limb, 6 limbs= 18 attacks a round. Thats way to much for a normal Excellence. But making a chain, that no one else can use doesn't fit the theme of the PrC

I have to thank DavidWL for bumping this, as  I would not have discovered it otherwise. However I do have a question.

I am considering making a Marilith, and I saw the fun that could be had with this as it means I can get very VERY High level just being the very best Marilith possible... a true monster.

However, Paragon doesn't seem to have any way to take advantage of any creatures ability to fight with more then two limbs... and any paragon of such a multi limbed race, Marilith or otherwise would have mastered such fighting. And honestly, Paragon Dual Wield would be broken as all hell, if extended to Paragon Multi wield as a basic Excellence.

So, any suggestion for a multi limbed way of handling Paragon... I mean in theory we could have a multi weapon one at Greater, but it still seems a little broken