Is there a way to remove an enhancement from a magic weapon?

[ksbsnowowl]

My PC's might be mounting a rescue mission against an outpost of the Unseelie Court.  The court is composed primarily of evil Eladrin with the Shadow Creature template, as well as fey with the same template.

Most of the Eladrin are statted up with Holy weapons.  The easy way to do it would be to just give all the evil Eladrin Unholy weapons.  But this then poses a problem for Good PC's (and the weapons that Eladrin pack around with are REALLY nice for their CR).

So, if a Good PC ends up with an Evil Ghaele's +4 Unholy Greatsword, is there anything that can be done to remove the Unholy property from it?

Due to other factors, I might just change the Holy/Unholy to another +2 worth of enhancements, but have not decided yet.  Regardless, the question stands.

[nijineko]

while not explicitly stated in the ability, one might permit an artificer to use their ability to target and remove specific portions of a set of enchantments without actually destroying the item entirely as a reasonable alternative.

didn't babau slime remove stuff? or was that just the +x bonus?

adapt the retraining rules to allow them to apply to items and reforge them? turn it into a minor quest: the blades must be reforged with celestial or astra metal, and quenched in angel's tears....

[ksbsnowowl]

Babau slime just deals acid damage.

[Garryl]

I don't know of anything in general to strip part of an enchantment, but IIRC, BoED has something about purifying evil enchantments and magic items to turn them into their good equivalents.

[ksbsnowowl]

I don't know of anything in general to strip part of an enchantment, but IIRC, BoED has something about purifying evil enchantments and magic items to turn them into their good equivalents.

I will look into this.  Thanks!

[whitetyger009]

page 119 BoED

looks like exactly what your looking for.

[nijineko]

Babau slime just deals acid damage.

whoops, perhaps i'm thinking older editions then. or a different monster....

[ksbsnowowl]

or a different monster....

I would be intrigued.

[nijineko]

or a different monster....

I would be intrigued.

my google-fu is weak. i know i've seen this somewhere, and i thought it was the slime in question... but i simply cannot find it again. maybe it was a previous edition. what i recall is that when hitting, if the save was failed, the enhancement bonus would degrade by one.

[Agita]

or a different monster....

I would be intrigued.

my google-fu is weak. i know i've seen this somewhere, and i thought it was the slime in question... but i simply cannot find it again. maybe it was a previous edition. what i recall is that when hitting, if the save was failed, the enhancement bonus would degrade by one.

Sounds like a beefed-up rust monster or the like to me, probably from an older edition.

[awaken_D_M_golem]

Disenchant Magic Item ritual is level 4 (and 4e).
 

[snakeman830]

Alternatively, UMD an Evil alignment.  Doesn't work if they are trying to use items that require non-evil alignemnt, though.

[nijineko]

or a different monster....

I would be intrigued.

my google-fu is weak. i know i've seen this somewhere, and i thought it was the slime in question... but i simply cannot find it again. maybe it was a previous edition. what i recall is that when hitting, if the save was failed, the enhancement bonus would degrade by one.

Sounds like a beefed-up rust monster or the like to me, probably from an older edition.

i remember the combat, it was an evil outsider of some sort.... oh well, maybe a dm special add-on or something.

[whitetyger009]

disenchanter
fiend folio pg 62

removes enchantments, though it is random.

[ksbsnowowl]

disenchanter
fiend folio pg 62

removes enchantments, though it is random.

Nice!  Thanks.

Actually, if you strike it with a magic weapon, it drains a special ability (random if more than one), and doesn't start draining enhancement bonuses until there are no special abilities remaining.

Its tongue attack is a little fuzzier on if it will drain enhancement bonus before all special abilities are gone.

The reason for the question was an evil-version Ghaele Eladrin's +4 Unholy Greatsword.  It only has one special ability to drain, so a single strike at the Disenchanter would have the desired affect.

Now to figure out how to work a Disenchanter into a Viking cosmology....?  Make it a troll?  Dunno.

[whitetyger009]

well the disenchanter is given as a magical experiment.  so you could have it created by a mad wizard.

[ksbsnowowl]

well the disenchanter is given as a magical experiment.  so you could have it created by a mad wizard.

The Mad Wizard^TM did it... again... 

Edit: To clarify, the "" isn't directed at you, but rather the tired old Mad Scientist trope that I've never liked as an explanation for the next zany monster the D&D writers could think up.

[nijineko]

Now to figure out how to work a Disenchanter into a Viking cosmology....?  Make it a troll?  Dunno.

it could be a sitting stone used by one of the norns...

it could be the knucklebone of one of the elder titans...

it could be a weeping wound in the yggdrasil, object must be thrust in...

it could be the petrified fewmets of the planar guardian...

it could be a particular cauldron which must be filled with the hounds of a particular entity...

it could be the cast-off horseshoe of a valkyrie in mid-flight bearing the soul of a hero... 


^^

[ksbsnowowl]

Now to figure out how to work a Disenchanter into a Viking cosmology....?  Make it a troll?  Dunno.

it could be a sitting stone used by one of the norns...

it could be the knucklebone of one of the elder titans...

it could be a weeping wound in the yggdrasil, object must be thrust in...

it could be the petrified fewmets of the planar guardian...

it could be a particular cauldron which must be filled with the hounds of a particular entity...

it could be the cast-off horseshoe of a valkyrie in mid-flight bearing the soul of a hero... 


^^

True, I could always just make it some hand-waived quest for a specific locale or item.  I was just looking for a way to do it "in the rules."

It might not even become an issue.  Just weighing options at this point.

[ksbsnowowl]

I think I figured out how I will incorporate the Disenchanter.  I'll template the hell out of it, making it an Element creature (Manual of the Planes) and then turn it into a Thommil (UE).  I will fluff the body shape to be more anthropomorphic in appearance.