Shuriken Enchanting Guide Discussion

[JaronK]

From here: http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=10419.0

JaronK

[awaken_D_M_golem]

+1 ... I'd say more but vay kay.

[Mithril Leaf]

I still haven't seen any evidence that you can take enchantments from custom items. I want to believe JaronK, I really do.

[JaronK]

I left it as a maybe, and all such items are noted as such.  So if your DM allows it you can, and if they don't you just ignore those.

JaronK

[PlzBreakMyCampaign]

Did we ever find a "you can buy only one" or a "you can enchant only one" rule somewhere? Meanie DMs might force batches of 50...

[JaronK]

Yeah, actually every single magic arrow ever listed is listed as a price (to create or buy) per one, not price per bulk amount.  No exceptions.  So that would be the rule then.

JaronK

[Concerned Ninja Citizen]

Eager (+1 enchantment from MIC) would be a good add. +2 initiative which stacks with warning and it makes the weapon a free action to draw, so you can stick it on any of your situational shuriken for easy access.

[littha]

Eager (+1 enchantment from MIC) would be a good add. +2 initiative which stacks with warning and it makes the weapon a free action to draw, so you can stick it on any of your situational shuriken for easy access.

You can draw shuriken as a free action anyway but the initiative is always good.

[JaronK]

Eager (+1 enchantment from MIC) would be a good add. +2 initiative which stacks with warning and it makes the weapon a free action to draw, so you can stick it on any of your situational shuriken for easy access.

Not allowed on throwing weapons.

JaronK

[Captnq]

Good start, but first I'd start with the weapon

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- PLAYER’S HANDBOOK (3.0)
- PLAYER’S HANDBOOK I (3.5)
Exotic Thrown Ammunition (Shuriken)
[SMW]
Cost (5): 1 gp
Damage (s): 1
Damage (m): 1d2
Critical: x2
Range: 10 ft
Weight: 1/2 lb
Type: P
A shuriken is a special monk weapon. This designation gives a monk wielding shuriken special options. A shuriken can’t be used as a melee weapon. Although they are thrown weapons, shuriken are treated as ammunition for the purposes of drawing them, crafting masterwork or otherwise special versions of them, and what happens to them after they are thrown.

Now, I believe that because they are sold in lots of 5, that a DM could make a case that the minimum number of shuriken sold at a time is 5, so you still could reduce the cost 1/10th.

Now, that said, you can only allow certain WSAs on a shuriken because it is to be treated as Ammo for purposed of creating magic weapons. Here ya go.

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Ammo
RADIANT HOLDING (3.0)

Ammo/Melee/Thrown
ASSASSINATION
BRILLIANT ENERGY
DISSIPATER
DOMINEERING
ENERVATING
MAIMING
METALLINE
SHADOW STRIKING
SOULBREAKER
TRUESILVER (3.0)
VIRULENT

Any
ACIDIC BURST
ANARCHIC
APTITUDE
AQUAN
AQUATIC
AURAN
AXIOMATIC
BANE
BLASPHEMOUS
BODYFEEDER
CHARGED (3.0)
CLOUTING
COLLISION
CONSUMPTIVE
CONSUMPTIVE BURST
CORROSIVE
COUP DE GRACE
CURSESPEWING
DEADLY PRECISION
DESICCATING
DESICCATING BURST
DISMISSER
DOOM BURST
DROWCRAFT
ENERGY AURA
ENFEEBLING
EXHAUSTING
EXPLOSIVE
FEAR BURST
FIERCEBANE
FLAMING
FLAMING BURST
FLYING (3.0)
FROST
GHOST BANE (3.0)
HEAVENLY BURST
HIDEAWAY
HOLY
HOMELAND CHAMPION
HUNTING
ICY BURST
IGNAN
IMPEDANCE
IMPLACABLE
LIGHT BURST
MAGEBANE
MERCIFUL
MINDCRUSHER
MINDFEEDER
OPPOSABLE (3.0)
PARALYTIC BURST
PROFANE
PROFANE BURST
PSIBANE
PSYCHIC
PSYCHOKINETIC
PSYCHOKINETIC BURST
REVEALING
RUSTING
SACRED
SACRED BURST
SCREAMING
SCREAMING BURST
SELF-IDENTIFYING
SENDING
SHADOWSCOURGE
SHATTERMANTLE
SHOCK
SHOCKING BURST
SICKENING
SLOW BURST
SNAKEBITER (3.0)
SOUL OF HONOR
SPARKLING
SPIDERKISSED
STRENGTH SAPPING
STUNNING
SUBJUGATING
SURE STRIKING
SWARMSTRIKE
TAINTED (3.0)
TERRAN
THUNDERING
TORTUROUS (3.0)
TORTUROUS, IMPROVED  (3.0)
UNHOLY
VILE (3.0)
WEAKENING

Ranged
DISTANCE
EXIT WOUND
PRECISE
SEEKING

I'd review the list just to compare. As for extrapolations, I would be interested in seeing which ones you think fit on an ammunition only item and why. After I finish EWSA v2.01, I will take a look at which ones fit a shuriken.

[Arz]

Anthropomorhic (Rat) Chipmunks can load up on Fukimi-bari for wsa that need to be wielded to operate. Also if they are part mule they can swallow the evidence to pass a search.

Other ammo: Spikard bolts, Spike Shooter, and Axebow(or similar)... could be loaded and wielded, just don't pull the trigger. Spikards are actually safey-locked to the non-proficient.

[nijineko]

fun possibilities!

[linklord231]

Even though Shuriken are treated as ammunition for the purposes of creating magic/masterwork version, couldn't they still have thrown weapon WSA's on them?  They're still thrown weapons, after all, despite being treated as ammunition.  I think it would be like how a Lawful Good succubus is vulnerable to both Holy Word and Blasphemy. 

[littha]

I think it would be like how a Lawful Good succubus is vulnerable to both Holy Word and Blasphemy.

That one is a bit odd actually, Holy word hits only nongood creatures and a the example succubus is in fact good. Said theoretical succubus should be immune to all of the Blasphemy variants.

[Prime32]

Try a +1 (great) dislocator shuriken as an escape button.

[h45hc0d3]

I think it would be like how a Lawful Good succubus is vulnerable to both Holy Word and Blasphemy.

That one is a bit odd actually, Holy word hits only nongood creatures and a the example succubus is in fact good. Said theoretical succubus should be immune to all of the Blasphemy variants.

According to the SRD, that's not so. Relevant quote and link: "Any effect that depends on alignment affects a creature with this subtype [the Evil subtype] as if the creature has an evil alignment, no matter what its alignment actually is. The creature also suffers effects according to its actual alignment."  http://www.d20srd.org/srd/typesSubtypes.htm#evilSubtype

Bizarrely, this means that, for example, the aforementioned Lawful Good succubus would, if affected by the Fiendish Codex I spell Inner Beauty, receive both penalties and bonuses to her Charisma and Dex scores, negating each other; and cause BOTH area save effects around her. That's right, this would be a single-cast spell that does no harm to the target, but causes people within 15 feet to roll saves against both stun and nauseated.

A Lawful Good Succubus couldn't hold ANY Axiomatic, Anarchic, Holy, or Unholy weapons without taking a negative level, on a subject slightly more related to the original post, here.

Speaking of which, the "give someone a cross-aligned weapon so they take a negative level" trick is REALLY good with enchanted ammunition, and possibly ought to be included. A favorite of mine is +1 Holy Unholy Anarchic Axiomatic repeating crossbow bolts. Play true neutral; load a case of those into your crossbow; and let people you don't like have opportunities to "borrow" or "steal" it from you; that'd be 20 negative levels for the aforementioned LG succubus; 10 for a paladin, demon, devil, or eladrin; Five for any neutral-and-something-else alignment. Quivers may or may not work all at once depending on your DM's interpretation of "wielding;" however, a crossbow is wielded, and the case is an essential part of the repeating crossbow, so in theory it should cause a negative level overload...

If you try this, be prepared to deal with wights. Lots and lots of wights.

[littha]

I think it would be like how a Lawful Good succubus is vulnerable to both Holy Word and Blasphemy.

That one is a bit odd actually, Holy word hits only nongood creatures and a the example succubus is in fact good. Said theoretical succubus should be immune to all of the Blasphemy variants.

According to the SRD, that's not so. Relevant quote and link: "Any effect that depends on alignment affects a creature with this subtype [the Evil subtype] as if the creature has an evil alignment, no matter what its alignment actually is. The creature also suffers effects according to its actual alignment."  http://www.d20srd.org/srd/typesSubtypes.htm#evilSubtype

Bizarrely, this means that, for example, the aforementioned Lawful Good succubus would, if affected by the Fiendish Codex I spell Inner Beauty, receive both penalties and bonuses to her Charisma and Dex scores, negating each other; and cause BOTH area save effects around her. That's right, this would be a single-cast spell that does no harm to the target, but causes people within 15 feet to roll saves against both stun and nauseated.

A Lawful Good Succubus couldn't hold ANY Axiomatic, Anarchic, Holy, or Unholy weapons without taking a negative level, on a subject slightly more related to the original post, here.

Speaking of which, the "give someone a cross-aligned weapon so they take a negative level" trick is REALLY good with enchanted ammunition, and possibly ought to be included. A favorite of mine is +1 Holy Unholy Anarchic Axiomatic repeating crossbow bolts. Play true neutral; load a case of those into your crossbow; and let people you don't like have opportunities to "borrow" or "steal" it from you; that'd be 20 negative levels for the aforementioned LG succubus; 10 for a paladin, demon, devil, or eladrin; Five for any neutral-and-something-else alignment. Quivers may or may not work all at once depending on your DM's interpretation of "wielding;" however, a crossbow is wielded, and the case is an essential part of the repeating crossbow, so in theory it should cause a negative level overload...

If you try this, be prepared to deal with wights. Lots and lots of wights.

My point was about the Blasphemy line of spells specifically. Not every source of alignment affecting ability in the game.

If you look at the wording on the Blasphemy line of spells you will note it is different from the weapon properties and the like.
Blasphemy only affects non-evil creatures. The succubus has the Evil subtype and is treated as such by the spell, it is not a non-evil creature and thus is unaffected by blasphemy.

[linklord231]

Alright, so I picked a bad example.  Still, "X is treated as Y" has a precedent for X still being treated as X, so the same should apply to Shuriken.

[h45hc0d3]

Blasphemy only affects non-evil creatures. The succubus has the Evil subtype and is treated as such by the spell, it is not a non-evil creature and thus is unaffected by blasphemy.

I apologize. You're absolutely right.

[JanusJones]

Okay, let's take this to the next level:

Drunken Master.

Now you have no penalty for wielding your gimmicky shuriken - it's an IMPROVISED melee weapon!

Add in staggering charge and have fun, or go Master Thrower/Bloodstorm Blade and make it BACK into a ranged weapon (in addition to increasing base damage).

FUN!