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Re: A thought exercise to get me back into the 3.X swing of things.
« Reply #20 on: July 26, 2013, 08:21:59 PM »
Ancestral relic obviously but that only does one individual item.

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Re: A thought exercise to get me back into the 3.X swing of things.
« Reply #21 on: July 26, 2013, 09:30:24 PM »
Anyone with a caster level of 5th can make Silversheen (assuming they have CWI), no spells required.

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This substance can be applied to a weapon as a standard action. It will give the weapon the properties of alchemical silver for 1 hour, replacing the properties of any other special material it might have. One vial will coat a single melee weapon or 20 units of ammunition.

Faint transmutation; CL 5th; Craft Wondrous Item; Price 250 gp.

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Re: A thought exercise to get me back into the 3.X swing of things.
« Reply #22 on: July 26, 2013, 10:05:26 PM »
Not really looking for items that don't have requirements, but ways to bypass spell requirements for item crafting.  Alternatively, since you can use Scrolls/Wands to craft items, then ways to get them as cheaply as possible would also be nice.

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Re: A thought exercise to get me back into the 3.X swing of things.
« Reply #23 on: July 26, 2013, 11:01:52 PM »
Forge of Thautam - for arms/armor
Where's the source on this?

Also, is there... let's call it a Pun-Pun compendium? I remember that the Sarrukh played a key role in one of the original builds thanks to it's ability manipulation, and maybe something from a less obscure/OP source book can be applied in a more limited fashion to hack the desired SQ onto a given character. I do realize that this is like trying to take a global nuclear doomsday device and using it to do something of a low-key fireworks display, but like with the global nuclear doomsday device, maybe I can rely on the concept of mutually assured destruction to garner the necessary trust with a potential DM that I'm not going to irradiate his gaming table.
If you can dig up the old "Breaking the Core" thread, there were some core and semi-core ways of stealing SQs in there. IIRC, one of them was Shapechange/Greater Metamorphosis + Fusion, with a familiar as one of the creatures being fused. Then you made a Simulacrum of it, which winds up having abilities as if it were full hit dice (instead of half) due to the familiar's hit dice being "equal to the master's", or something insane like that. In this way, you wind up being able to collect most of the abilities in the game onto your fused familiar similacrum (by continually having it fuse with something else, and making a new similacrum of that, ad infinitum). But yeah... that's like trying to assassinate one target by dropping a nuke on a city.
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Re: A thought exercise to get me back into the 3.X swing of things.
« Reply #24 on: July 27, 2013, 09:22:48 AM »
Anyone with a caster level of 5th can make Silversheen (assuming they have CWI), no spells required.

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Silversheen

This substance can be applied to a weapon as a standard action. It will give the weapon the properties of alchemical silver for 1 hour, replacing the properties of any other special material it might have. One vial will coat a single melee weapon or 20 units of ammunition.

Faint transmutation; CL 5th; Craft Wondrous Item; Price 250 gp.
Any special material? Hmm.... so what happens if you use this offensively, against an opponent's Adamantine, Aurorum, or Riverine weapon?
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Re: A thought exercise to get me back into the 3.X swing of things.
« Reply #25 on: July 27, 2013, 01:10:27 PM »
Forge of Thautam - for arms/armor
Where's the source on this?

RoS - Its a wondrous item that allows you to craft arms/armor.

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Re: A thought exercise to get me back into the 3.X swing of things.
« Reply #26 on: July 27, 2013, 02:20:33 PM »
I had an idea ... then  :drunk happened ... so now it's back.

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Re: A thought exercise to get me back into the 3.X swing of things.
« Reply #27 on: July 27, 2013, 03:56:19 PM »
Anyone with a caster level of 5th can make Silversheen (assuming they have CWI), no spells required.

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Silversheen

This substance can be applied to a weapon as a standard action. It will give the weapon the properties of alchemical silver for 1 hour, replacing the properties of any other special material it might have. One vial will coat a single melee weapon or 20 units of ammunition.

Faint transmutation; CL 5th; Craft Wondrous Item; Price 250 gp.
Any special material? Hmm.... so what happens if you use this offensively, against an opponent's Adamantine, Aurorum, or Riverine weapon?

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Re: A thought exercise to get me back into the 3.X swing of things.
« Reply #28 on: July 27, 2013, 11:28:12 PM »
Forge of Thautam - for arms/armor
Where's the source on this?

RoS - Its a wondrous item that allows you to craft arms/armor.
The fact that there are so many ways for Dwarves to bypass requirements when using Craft Magic Arms and Armor makes me wonder whether WotC realized that the Craft Magic Arms and Armor feat sucked or that dwarven communities with their natural distrust of arcane magic actually caused them to become shitty weapon crafters as a direct result.

I guess I'll just have to wait for an appropriate game and just pitch a concept, and maybe I can get a watered down version of that ability as a trait or something.
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Re: A thought exercise to get me back into the 3.X swing of things.
« Reply #29 on: July 27, 2013, 11:39:13 PM »

The fact that there are so many ways for Dwarves to bypass requirements when using Craft Magic Arms and Armor makes me wonder whether WotC realized that the Craft Magic Arms and Armor feat sucked or that dwarven communities with their natural distrust of arcane magic actually caused them to become shitty weapon crafters as a direct result.

It might actually have to do with the Norse source material, from whence we get LotR-inspired Fantasy Dwarves.

But maybe I'm giving WotC too much credit.

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Re: A thought exercise to get me back into the 3.X swing of things.
« Reply #30 on: July 28, 2013, 10:18:20 AM »
I'm going with Brunor Battlehammer.  Which is watered down Norse dwarf, but...

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Re: A thought exercise to get me back into the 3.X swing of things.
« Reply #31 on: July 29, 2013, 04:09:47 PM »
Tsuyo's Shaedling minus the now obvious cheese.

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Re: A thought exercise to get me back into the 3.X swing of things.
« Reply #32 on: July 29, 2013, 05:28:43 PM »
I had an idea.  I was going to try and apply Master Spellthief to Warlock and use the stolen spells to craft items. The issues, of course, being the usual Warlock garbage.  Also, Warlock has atrocious PrC options.  Half the classes you can even get into still don't do anything for your invocations.  In that situation you may as well go Warlock 12, anyway, and that kinda defeats the purpose of going Master Spellthief here in the first place.

Anyway, is there a Spellthief ACF somewhere that trades your spellcasting for something? Homebrew would be OK, I can't imagine someone would homebrew some class features onto Spellthief that legitimately compensated for losing eventual 4th-level spells, but maybe.

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Re: A thought exercise to get me back into the 3.X swing of things.
« Reply #33 on: July 29, 2013, 05:44:16 PM »
I had an idea.  I was going to try and apply Master Spellthief to Warlock and use the stolen spells to craft items. The issues, of course, being the usual Warlock garbage.  Also, Warlock has atrocious PrC options.  Half the classes you can even get into still don't do anything for your invocations.  In that situation you may as well go Warlock 12, anyway, and that kinda defeats the purpose of going Master Spellthief here in the first place.

Anyway, is there a Spellthief ACF somewhere that trades your spellcasting for something? Homebrew would be OK, I can't imagine someone would homebrew some class features onto Spellthief that legitimately compensated for losing eventual 4th-level spells, but maybe.

Dragon Mag 353 p67 has Spellskill, which replaces your Spellthief casting with something really awful. That's it for official stuff.