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Just how strong is he?
« on: September 28, 2013, 01:12:27 PM »
I need examples of objects that weight between 2 and 8k tonnes (light load-max. over head) to get into perspective just how much can my character actually lift. With all his power ups (10 Tier Mythic, which he doesn't have yet) it becomes 13-41k, Display of Strength mythic power makes it 221-665k (for a few hours).
I'd prefer objects that could exist in a D&D setting, 'cause that's where the character is from (obviously), but anything is okay I guess (don't want to be overly picky), as long as it's one whole object (like a train or building) that I could look up on the internet and reasonably easily imagine a human lifting up.
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Re: Just how strong is he?
« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2013, 01:20:13 PM »
Elephant?

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Re: Just how strong is he?
« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2013, 02:09:01 PM »
Is he human?  If so, he is strong enough that if he exerted enough force to lift a car, he would likely crush himself through the car instead of lifting it (especially at that higher strength level).  A normal car (we're talking the kind you think of when you think car) weighs a little over a half ton.  A truck (pick-up truck) weighs closer to one ton.  A fully loaded 18 wheeler would probably not weigh that 8 tons.  Note: this is tons.  Not kilotons.  How on earth are you lifting kilotons of stuff?  That's enough strength that flexing your muscles will powder your bones.  At kiloton levels, you're lifting buildings.  Probably being able to lift a full castle (assuming it was magically protected from being destroyed at the point of lift by pressure) at the 100kton level.  but of course, that's strong enough that it overcomes the strength of anything we know of.  And that's all three types (shear, tensile, and compressive).  If you tried to lift a castle, you'd come away with a chunk of castle rather than the whole thing, for instance, because you'd break the bond between stones rather easily.

An elephant is easy.  A gallon of lead is under 100 lbs.  Easy for you.  One cubic foot of lead is 700 lbs.  A shipping container of lead would be easy as well, at roughly 453 tons.  A shipping container.  Made of solid lead.  Osmium is the most dense element at room temp, at roughly twice as dense as lead.  If you found enough of it, you would easily be able to lift the mere 900 tons.  Or .9kton object.  after actual calculations, you would barely not be able to lift a castle.  Might be able to do a keep (but I couldn't find numbers on an average keep size), but the walls are generally around 4Mtons.  That's about 5-6 times more than your max.  So here's where it gets interesting: you could push a castle.

There's just not much in this world that you either can't lift or have a hope of lifting.  Everything is either easily lifted by you or will fall apart if you try to lift it.  The primary concern is grip and pressure, and I'm certain you could exert more pressure than is needed to crush anything, including yourself when you try to crush stuff.  So look around.  If it's a free object, you can lift it.  if it's not a free object, you'll destroy it trying to lift it.  And if it's a free object, you still might destroy it trying to lift it.  You rob banks by literally robbing a bank.  As in, grabbing the building and running off with it.
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Re: Just how strong is he?
« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2013, 02:50:35 PM »
I didn't ask for the science. Just examples.
And note that it's D&D. You can leave realism out the door.
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Re: Just how strong is he?
« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2013, 02:53:26 PM »
It may be D&D, but when you get to the point of theoretically being able to lift the world you're standing on, the DM tends to get annoyed and demands you legit math things out before deciding whether they're just going to ask you to stop being silly and whatnot.

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Re: Just how strong is he?
« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2013, 03:08:41 PM »
Want to lift the world?  Do a handstand and be done!

As far as whether the DM will think it's silly, that's not for us to say.  We weren't given any information on that anyway, so why is it being assumed or even contemplated in the first place?

And in case anyone was curious, there is a difference between tons and tonnes.  Though the difference is only 200 pounds/90ish kilograms.
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Re: Just how strong is he?
« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2013, 03:11:19 PM »
It may be D&D, but when you get to the point of theoretically being able to lift the world you're standing on, the DM tends to get annoyed and demands you legit math things out before deciding whether they're just going to ask you to stop being silly and whatnot.
Look, I don't really need you giving me lessons on how to play, mkay?
Now, you have something useful to add or are you just going to make more assumptions and chastise me for playing the game wrong?

Want to lift the world?  Do a handstand and be done!

As far as whether the DM will think it's silly, that's not for us to say.  We weren't given any information on that anyway, so why is it being assumed or even contemplated in the first place?
Or this.

I'm not lifting the world. Not my goal. Just trying to get this (should not have said "my", apparently that gave some people the wrong idea and an opportunity to be preachy and off-topicy  :rolleyes) character's lifting capabilities into perspective. The extreme numbers are only when/if he becomes Mythic.

And I mean the "1000 kg = tonne/ton".
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Re: Just how strong is he?
« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2013, 03:32:49 PM »
I'm not chastising, I'm just sayin', realism isn't always entirely left out on the curb. Besides, I wasn't saying "you" in the literal sense of YOU.  :-\

If I'm understanding the weights here, you're saying a light load of up to 2 tonnes and the max overhead carry is 8 tonnes?
Well, elephant is certainly in there at 7 tonnes/7,000kg fully grown. On the light load end you'd be able to carry around a hippo and still run. Rhinos and Elephant Seals get into your Medium load. Fully buffed out with the upwards of 665 number, you could walk into an aquarium and walk out with 3 or 4 Blue Whales. A comparison for the Blue Whale to put into perspective would be their tongues alone weigh about as much as a full grown elephant.
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Re: Just how strong is he?
« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2013, 03:48:14 PM »
I'm not chastising, I'm just sayin', realism isn't always entirely left out on the curb.
In D&D games I play in it fortunately is. Either way, it wasn't really relevant to the question. That's why I got a little annoyed.

Did a little research myself (but I suck at it). From what I found, the Eiffel Tower is about 10k tonnes. A Type 094 submarine is 8k surfaced. 40 blue whales is about 8k.
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Re: Just how strong is he?
« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2013, 03:52:50 PM »
Then I guess I'm not sure on what measurements you were referring to then, still :/

Edit: I might've thought you were saying something along the lines of 2 to 8 thousand tonnes, but the later mention of 1000kg=1tonnes kinda confused me on what the "k" was suppose to represent.
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Re: Just how strong is he?
« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2013, 04:09:33 PM »
Am I using the "k" wrongly? I could've sworn it meant "thousand".
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Re: Just how strong is he?
« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2013, 04:10:35 PM »
No, I'm just confusing myself.

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Re: Just how strong is he?
« Reply #13 on: September 28, 2013, 04:14:24 PM »
Now who's being annoying?  :eh

But I should probably stop taking this off topic...

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Re: Just how strong is he?
« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2013, 04:27:45 PM »
If you put k tonnes (as in, kilotonnes), you mean 1000 tonnes. Tonne, on its own, means 1000kg. So if you want 2-8 tonnes (about elephant weight), then you want tonne without a k.

K multiplies the unit it's joined with by 1000, so...

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« Reply #15 on: September 28, 2013, 04:32:59 PM »
I do actually mean kilotonnes (my latest examples should make that clear). I was just answering Jack's post saying that there's a difference between ton and tonne. I clarified that I mean "tonne = 1000 kg".
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Re: Just how strong is he?
« Reply #16 on: September 28, 2013, 09:36:56 PM »
Oh, sorry my math and science hurt your brain.

And did you mean tons or tonnes?  I assumed tons just misspelled (I've seen people spell tons tonnes before.  And meant the tons.  I've never seen anyone use tonnes and mean tonnes before).  If it's tonne then my examples and math are not the correct version.  Most people I know don't use tonne because Mg is used.  And ton is more useful to D&D and everyday connections.  because D&D is in lbs.  You're still going to break your own bones with that much strength though.
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« Reply #17 on: September 28, 2013, 10:37:52 PM »
I... have never seen Mg used. Tonnes? Yes. But I live in the UK.

And that also means that tons has far less relevance to everyday stuff than tonnes (also, a big elephant is ~7,000kg--or 7 tonnes).

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« Reply #18 on: September 28, 2013, 10:47:20 PM »
I'm a scientist.  I use Mg.  Well, very rarely, because usually it's kg, mg, and...uh.....ug....micro grams....that's supposed to be a mu.....and I live in the US, so I never see grams used for every day things.  But I did mean that it's more relevant to D&D, trying not to imply that tons is useful to every day (though really, Mg aren't all that useful....but neither is tons....both have their uses I guess...) because D&D is in lbs, so the conversion is a lot easier.
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« Reply #19 on: September 29, 2013, 07:18:41 AM »
Every time I have seen a scenario for Mg come up, it's been written as 1,000 kg. Because, for some reason, it was decided that kg would be used as the mathematical basis rather than grams, and that throws out every damn prefix...

Yes, it's relevant to D&D, but do try to not dismiss an entire measure as irrelevant to regular life when the USA is one of the few places that doesn't use the system it springs from. :P