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Medicated society
« on: October 01, 2013, 08:29:25 PM »
So on another thread we got onto the topic of psychological meds. While some may find it weird that so many here have admitted to being on them, it shouldn't be seen as that odd. Gaming is actually one of the few therapies that is being found to be effective in cases of more complex disorders, including some with no established treatment regimen (looking at you PTSD). It yields more beneficial long term results, and I'm not talking about "therapeutic" gaming (not even sure how that would look), but just gaming as gaming.

There's a huge stigma against certain psychological medications, which is odd, since using medications to up your grades also falls into psychological meds. It seems that the only real stigma is for those who need meds to cope with day to day activities.

I've admitted I have PTSD, it's a long story involving lots of unexpected unexplained violence, gaslighting, and a full royal flush of "misery poker" on a regular basis (had to steal it).

I hate the stigma that exists, but I'm aware that it does have it's good parts, unfortunately what benefit might be there (keeping people from getting themselves medicated for a personal benefit rather than to help with an issue), is already out there. With people downing Adderall before exams like candy, it serves no more purpose, so it really should be wiped out.

To begin; we are talking about being *properly* medicated. This involves finding a medication that does not make you slow, hyper, moody, aggressive, or really any way that you're not normally. You shouldn't feel strange. You should feel, for all intents and purposes, more "normal" than usual. If it makes you feel weird, it's either the wrong dose or the wrong medication. Possibly even the wrong doctor. Succinctly: if it's fucking you up worse, you need to swap.

Next up, medication is not meant to be taken on it's own. Medication is the cast, not the crutch. Therapy and support groups are your crutch. They'll help you walk while the medication gives you enough stability to take in a new set of thoughts, responses and reflections.

And finally, medication, in most cases, is not meant to be long term. Often you're only meant to be on it for a few months at best. Some people are on longer. I probably will be, and possibly because I resisted it so long.

I've had PTSD for my entire life. I refused treatment until well after high school (due to some intimidation and psychological conditioning), unless you count the doctor who diagnosed me with multiple ulcers at sixteen and a mild anti anxiety drug that I took for about three months and then stopped (he explained it as part of the ulcer treatment, which was the only way I would have accepted it at the time).

I finally sought out help when my negative emotions were getting far out of hand. I was a mess, my anxiety was so bad over my assignments that I would shake just thinking about them, I would get upset at the mildest rebuke from a professor, which I would hold in until I got home and melted down. My hyper vigilance was picking my marriage apart as I recognized and typified facial cues, analyzed language uses, and observed and recorded body language around me, looking to find threats. My therapist at the time tried to convince me to try medication and gave me the diagnosis of PTSD after some months of regular visits. I refused.

I have tried cognitive behaviour therapy, which didn't work, because that's how I modified my aggressive behaviours already. I tried art therapy, but I'm an artistic sort already. I tried exercise, music therapy, but all of those I had, unknowingly, already been using to cope.

The thing is, PTSD is a time bomb. It gets in your head and you never know what the timer's set to. You don't know what will set it off or to what degree. I was on my last stretch and didn't know it. My therapist may have, but I didn't want to be medicated. I didn't want to be weak or dependent.

I spent two years with that therapist, and in some ways she was great, but in others, not a good fit. I never wanted to upset her, and to be honest, she was more prepared for couples counselling and exam stress, not the mixed bag that I dumped on her lap. I had to call her panicked on night when my father ended up in the ICU. I was a mess, crying and ranting and almost incoherent because I was worried my family would have a huge screaming argument in the coronary department of the ICU and inadvertently kill someone by causing an attack. I felt bad that I even had to call her, but I needed someone to tell me how to handle it, and my husband wasn't sure what to do with me or how to handle my freaking out.

Eventually I stopped seeing her because she admitted that she couldn't do anything more. I was telling her that everything was fine, and I thought it was, because compared to that, it was. I couldn't even tell that I was lying.

About a year later I had to go back. I was a danger to myself, I knew it and I had to see someone immediately. I got sent to a woman I knew from before. A very poor choice, as she had been the one to tell me that if I couldn't take the stress, I should just quit. She, during this new interview, didn't want to talk about what had happened, only would refer to my scholastic state (which is great, BTW), and I overheard her muttering to herself that it wasn't her fault one of the prior students had killed themselves, she claimed no responsibility. I saw her one time after that. As per rule, I had to fill out a survey concerning her at my next appointment a few days later. She them, at the appointment, proceeded to read the "anonymous" survey in front of me and tell me that she didn't want me in her office. Did not help.

So, my husband wheedled until I finally caved and went to see my doctor. His reasoning was that, due to my stature (always small and a bit behind the curve on physical maturation) it might be a thyroid issue. It took three appointments and a very very bad episode for me to finally agree to try meds and a new therapist, one who was more suited to what I needed.

I'm lucky that I haven't had any side effects, but I think people need to understand that sometimes, there is nothing else left. I highly advocate trying *anything* else first, but if nothing else works bite the bullet and give it a try.

If you're at those "last few stretches" you don't have anything else to lose (since you may be trying to throw it all away as it is). I was lucky, my spouse stayed by me for all of this, and I've found something that (I think) works. Yes, I'm scared to go off it, but at the same time, I'm eager to start tapering.

Now why is this in bitch like you have to?

Bad doctors. Bad prescriptions. Stigmas. I hates them all. With a passion.

And we were getting off topic so I figured this might be a place for people to vent about doctors/meds/ and the trouble that comes with having such issues. Gaming is great therapy, but so is a nice long vociferous and vituperative rant.

Rant on, my fellow forumites.
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Re: Medicated society
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2013, 10:33:40 PM »
You'd hate the local hospital with a vengeance.  I went there because, alas, I has no money.  It seemed okay at first and I loved my therapist but she quickly left due to disagreements she had with the hospital over how the patients were treated.  Mind you she didn't tell me this, I overheard her arguing with the other staff as the other staff seemed to pick their moments to squabble with her in front of the patients.

I thought that was a bad sign.  I was right.  The next therapist decided confrontation was the best way to go, and that constantly pissing me of would get me to say things she could 'use', which is a nice way of saying she deliberately pissed me off so I'd speak without thinking and then my words against me in some never ending loop.  She indulged in schadenfreude a little too much.  At some point I missed a few days due to job searches and they decided to put me into 'retention therapy'.

I should explain that their only available for free if you qualify through a state program (which I did), but the state demands a few things of them.  The first is that you get better.  If you don't get better, they don't shell out any money.  Unless you're considered a danger to yourself/others, or are on psychotropic meds.  Then the state will gleefully pay for you forever (or at least as long as you're on the meds).  So if you miss any days you go to retention therapy, which is a 4 week group exercise where you are dehumanized and bullied by a woman who may well be a sociopath herself, in an effort to make sure you show up from now on and be a 'good little revenue generator'.  When confronted she doesn't even bother to deny this.  After this they try switching you to group therapy to max out the number of people they have coming in and get paid for, most of whom will be trapped due to court orders saying seek treatment or go to prison.

In short my first therapist quit due to this attitude of using people as pawns to max out the money the hospital could get from the state.  She thought I should try things without meds because most of her clients came in just looking for a way to get a script they could sell.  Her replacement was closer to "You aren't on meds? Why aren't you on meds?  You need to be on meds immediately!"  Then came the fighting, and I eventually left.  I returned under the advice of a disability attorney as he said I would need proof of some of my conditions and they were the only way to get them.  So far the hammer hasn't fallen, and the third therapist is okay, but I still don't exactly trust him as I think he's blinded himself to whats going on around him or has decided he can live with it.  The moment I get disability I intend to disappear and seek assistance elsewhere.

The local psych doesn't actually do therapy, he's strictly a prescription machine.  He sees you for 5-10 minutes and then decides what med you need and writes you a script.  And if it doesn't work he keeps trying.  Not exactly fond of him either.  Keeps promising me "this med won't affect your cholesterol or blood sugar" and it always turns out to be complete horse shit.  The diabetes or cholesterol always gets worse.  he obsesses over what med to give me as my personal beliefs are so unlike anything else he's encountered he has no frame of reference of what to do otherwise.  I shall not miss him either.


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Re: Medicated society
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2013, 10:55:24 PM »
The therapists I'm seeing are subsidized by the government, but I missed two appointments, so I have to wait to be able to get a spot again.

I know where you're coming from, even if I've had a couple of awesome people. The woman they have on staff on campus now is of the opinion: "get your grades up or GTFO". SHe doesn't do anything with outside issues, refuses to handle them in any way, is abusive, aggressive and only allows patients to talk to her during clock time. Anything outside someone having poor acadamic performance who is willing to kowtow she wants nothing to do with and will tear apart if she can. I think the only reason they hired her was to lower the number of students using counselling services so they can ratify getting rid of it completely to use the funding somewhere else. Like upgrading existing buildings and then renting them out to private interests.

I did, many years ago, on the advice of a prior doctor, take a trip to our local mental health services. He sent me because he thought I was a hypochondriac, as my mother had described me as such (up until a few years ago apparently it had never crossed her mind that a kid might "fake sick" to avoid tests and due dates... not sure how much I believe that-she's uh...special). I described my history and events in the half hour period set aside, and at the end the psychologist looked at me and blinked. Her words? "Do you know why you're here?" "Yes, my doctor thinks I'm a hypochondriac because that's what my mother's been telling him" (I was 21 then) "Oh. Well..you're doing really well... you have no criminal record, no drug use?" "No, never have never will." "Well... you're a remarkably resilient person... would you mind participating in a test run of a new program?"

The new program consisted of teaching people to laugh at other's misery to make you feel better and thought self mutilation was an acceptable way to release stress (a friend who was a minor I knew had the problem, so I asked on her behalf). By the second day on the lunch break, the other participants thought I was a plant sent to analyze the program for viability and report back to the department of mental health...since the idiots running the program were...well...idiots.

My doctor didn't immediately recommend meds, and when I told her I couldn't and wouldn't she let up and let me and my husband eventually admit that I needed help. I was on my last stretch and I couldn't keep going, I certainly couldn't stand what I was doing to him.

Bad psych's suck. I hate them so much. They have authority to guide and protect those in positions of vulnerability, it's no better than a doctor abusing a patient and getting them injured, or a parent beating a child. I really wish there were more clear cut ways to file for malpractice for therapists. 
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Re: Medicated society
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2013, 11:44:32 PM »
Hey guys-
     
  Thanks for sharing. I gotta give ya some respect on that.
Its bad doctors like the ones you guys described that makes me really hate doctors and hospitals with a passion. There is actually so much I could say on this stuff that I doubt people would actually read it all lol. Most of it gets into the medical industry fucking up..
So I will try to keep it really short, and pretty to the point.

1) Therapists/ Psychs etc etc
These type of people can screw up a persons life just as easily as they can help. Be very careful when picking and going to one.

2) Doctors
Over worked.. + given incentives and bonus to prescribe certain meds. Most Doctors need to have more of an open mind, and not believe all the bullshit the pill companys tell them. Such as the anti-marijuana propaganda.

Although more are coming to the light.. Dr. Sanjay Gupta recently changed his views and is now pro-marijuana.


3) Medication
Made up disorders, and unneeded prescriptions are out of control. The thought of taking meds that you cant just stop taking whenever really bothers me. These pills permanently change the chemical makeup of your brain. The doctors wanted me to give my 5 year old ADD medicine.. lol. I couldn't believe he was serious. I didn't do it. My 5 year old isn't even hyper.. she has trouble reading. I couldn't read until the 5th grade. I'm fine now.

Go do some self research about medication and you will quickly find its all about money. They don't make cures. They make things that will keep you ok enough to function, but still need more pills. Go look up about there bans on natural and herbal remedies.
People should look up about how pill companys and knowingly sold tainted pills/blood etc etc that were recalled from the US, to foreign countrys. This list goes on... and things like this still happen.

Go look at Autism numbers. Even in the year 2000 compared to now its insane. If everything big pharma was pushing on us is beneficial then why are we seeing things like this? Don't even get me started on vaccines  :tongue




By the way.. this is really fucked up.

The new program consisted of teaching people to laugh at other's misery to make you feel better and thought self mutilation was an acceptable way to release stress.


That type of thinking is whats wrong with the world.
Don't take my rant as anti-medicine or anything. I think that there are good doctors and therapists, and sometimes medication is needed. I'm just saying take caution.
Anyways.. I wont go too deep into my rant haha. Honestly I don't like to post too much on this type of stuff cause it tends to get passionate. Then my brain starts going a thousand miles an hour and I end up spitting out hours of info lol...
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Re: Medicated society
« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2013, 12:23:06 AM »
Ohno, that's all fine.

Like I said it took me trying everything before I would even think of it. Some people those therapies will help, and like I said, medication is a cast not a crutch...you keep on it long enough for you to carry on without it. I'm only worried about going off because of the reactions and the state I was in prior. I *really* don't want that to happen again.

The rise in autism can also be tied to things like increased chemical intakes in food and drink, even in the air we breathe. There are a number of components and in a lot of cases increase in reported cases can also be tied in with better medical care and available consultants and specialists.

That's not my saying that misdiagnosis doesn't happen-when I was in grade six one of my teachers wanted to put me in a special class despite my top grades. AT that time PTSD wasn't a known thing and my social skills were unusual-I was worried about my future job prospects and aware that I would never see a pension, and would need to be able to be bilingual for a good job, but I didn't understand why some people would get upset, why some of my peers didn't like me, and I didn't relate well to my classmates, in fact I related better to my teachers all through my scholastic career.

In retrospect, I can see why she was concerned-*but* - she was also one of the teachers who had had my brother and didn't particularly like me, so she wanted me out, but had no other reasons (I was well behaved, polite and my grades were in the top rankings) that would be accepted. My mother had a field day with her.

The warning about herbals is good. A lot of people think herbal medicine isn't medication. It is, and it can have just as bad side effects as processed chemical medications.

Thankfully, I am not in the states, so any doctor found receiving *any* kind of incentive from pharmaceuticals risks having their license revoked..permanently. Also we have stricter regulations on medications and foods here.

Medications and therapists are a case of pick who you trust, be educated and if it doesn't seem right, let them know, immediately. You are not indebted to your doctor, therapist or any other or bound by contract to only use them. I still have problems with this, but you do need to keep it in mind. If it feels off, get out and find another. It seems like a real pain to have to sift, but don't take risks with your health.

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Re: Medicated society
« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2013, 12:55:47 AM »
Government is getting more and more linked with healthcare. I am deeply concerned that the quality of care is going to continue to decline as well as the number of choices and the number of people of need mental healthcare not getting it.

I won't go to a mental health professional now. They're arranging it more and more where, if you go for any reason, there go your Second Amendment Rights. They've reclassified a LOT of things as a mental disorder including caffeine withdrawal, and they aren't picky about what condition you need to have to deny you guns. So if I have to choose between social anxiety or legally exercising my Constitutional right to bear arms, I know what I'm choosing.

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Re: Medicated society
« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2013, 01:36:17 AM »
Dkonen, do you mind if I share your story with my girlfriend?  She's struggling with whether or not she should take anxiety/depression meds because she's afraid that taking them will make her "weak". 
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« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2013, 11:50:00 AM »
Yes, please do.

And you can add this:

Don't be worried. I know it's frightening, but going without help is even more frightening. There are people who care about you and will help you. Don't be afraid to speak out if it isn't working, and don't worry if it doesn't click right away. Medication is a hard thing to accept, but it can give you back your life. Trust me, it's worth it.

Needing medication doesn't make you weak or less, needing medication only means you've known far too many assholes.

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Re: Medicated society
« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2013, 09:26:44 PM »
This thread is real. And not gross. I am surprised to see A) someone understanding the correct usage of medications and B) realizing its danger as a tool against society. If B was still meant, you have my respect. Either way you have my prayers.

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Re: Medicated society
« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2013, 10:17:07 PM »
Yes medication in society is a rough thing. Students are popping pills for better grades, parents are feeding their children pills to make them more biddable, and people are downing herbal remedies as if they had no side effects (some herbal side effects are actually pretty damned bad).

As a rule of thumb: Good medication makes you yourself again. Bad medication changes you into someone else.

All in all, I wanted to put this thread up, because I didn't know most of this stuff, and if I had, it might have made a difference and saved me and my hubby a ton of problems. I know there might be others out there and the internet is a bastion of crossreferencing, soundbites and when it comes down to it, probably the most pervasive and permanent way of getting information out there.
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