Fun Finds v5.0

[awaken_D_M_golem]

what happens when you cast Incarnate Construct on a 12-headed Hydra with Half-Iron Golem arms, when 11 of the heads are destroyed?

You get a Baby Hecatoncheire ...  ... with that missing arms mutation Heca-Moms recoil from in horror.  Don't kick the baby.

Niice.
The hydra entry in d20srd doesn't have the head*2 regen goodie
listed as (ex) or (su) or Special Attack or Special Quality.
It's more like descriptive text.  I guess that makes it "natural".
Nother possibility is the whole last Polymorph errata gets spellcasting cheese.

[SorO_Lost]

The hydra entry in d20srd doesn't have the head*2 regen goodie listed as (ex) or (su) or Special Attack or Special Quality.

Fast Healing (Ex)
Each round, a hydra heals damage equal to 10 + the number of its original heads.

[spacemonkey555]

The hydra entry in d20srd doesn't have the head*2 regen goodie listed as (ex) or (su) or Special Attack or Special Quality.

Fast Healing (Ex)
Each round, a hydra heals damage equal to 10 + the number of its original heads.

Each time a head is severed, two new heads spring from the stump in 1d4 rounds. A hydra can never have more than twice its original number of heads at any one time, and any extra heads it gains beyond its original number wither and die within a day.

[zook1shoe]

It appears to me that the head regrowth is not tied to the fast healing, where the fast healing is tied to heads.

also, it appears that the head regrowth is natural while the fast healing is Ex

[Gazzien]

There are rules for sleep deprivation under the "Appalling Fecundity" sign in Elder Evils.

Strong: Living creatures that require sleep lose the ability to do so, as their bodies fidget and their thoughts race. Physical exhaustion sets in, and eventually minds break. A living creature can go without sleep for a number of days equal to its Constitution modifier (minimum one). Thereafter it is fatigued, remaining in this state for a number of days equal to its Constitution modifier (again, minimum one); if it would become fatigued during that time, it is exhausted instead. Each day after that period, the creature takes 1 point of Wisdom damage. If the total Wisdom damage exceeds its Hit Dice, the creature is affected as if by an insanity spell. Once its Wisdom score drops to 0, the creature becomes unconscious but cannot recover lost Wisdom naturally. Only a sleep or deep slumber spell or equivalent effect can grant rest for a time, after which the effects of the sign begin anew.

[zook1shoe]

Combat Brute + Doomstrike weapon = 2 additional attacks after a successful sunder of a weapon (1 for a shield)

Power Components are a nice item to make with Minor/Major Creation

[ksbsnowowl]

There are rules for sleep deprivation under the "Appalling Fecundity" sign in Elder Evils.

Strong: Living creatures that require sleep lose the ability to do so, as their bodies fidget and their thoughts race. Physical exhaustion sets in, and eventually minds break. A living creature can go without sleep for a number of days equal to its Constitution modifier (minimum one). Thereafter it is fatigued, remaining in this state for a number of days equal to its Constitution modifier (again, minimum one); if it would become fatigued during that time, it is exhausted instead. Each day after that period, the creature takes 1 point of Wisdom damage. If the total Wisdom damage exceeds its Hit Dice, the creature is affected as if by an insanity spell. Once its Wisdom score drops to 0, the creature becomes unconscious but cannot recover lost Wisdom naturally. Only a sleep or deep slumber spell or equivalent effect can grant rest for a time, after which the effects of the sign begin anew.

Sadly, nothing in that prevents you from healing the 1 point of wisdom damage naturally each day.  It only prevents you from recovering wisdom naturally after the wisdom score has dropped to 0.  So, as long as someone has a base wisdom higher than 1 (and doesn't take Wis damage from some other effect), they can't ever reach 0, and won't ever become insane (because 1 point of wisdom damage never exceeds the HD of even a first level commoner.)

Their intent was good, and a simple house rule removing the natural healing once you take the first point of Wisdom damage would fix it, but as written this affect isn't some terrible apocalypse for mankind; it just drops everyone's Wisdom by 1 and fatigues them, effectively indefinitely.

[jojolagger]

Sadly, nothing in that prevents you from healing the 1 point of wisdom damage naturally each day.

Quick check of the rules compendium shows that

HEALING ABILITY DAMAGE
If, during a 24-hour period, a creature gets a full 8 hours of sleep or equivalent rest (depending on the creature’s race), that creature recovers 1 ability score point per damaged ability score.

it needs sleep. Which we can't do without magic, so all the mundane folk do go crazy eventually.

[phaedrusxy]

Sadly, nothing in that prevents you from healing the 1 point of wisdom damage naturally each day.

Quick check of the rules compendium shows that

HEALING ABILITY DAMAGE
If, during a 24-hour period, a creature gets a full 8 hours of sleep or equivalent rest (depending on the creature’s race), that creature recovers 1 ability score point per damaged ability score.

it needs sleep. Which we can't do without magic, so all the mundane folk do go crazy eventually.

I am really happy to see some sense injected into the rules by that book. Not every "clarification" made in there actually makes sense, but this one sure does. (It seems like obvious RAI in the srd rules, but sadly they didn't explicitly say that you needed sleep...).

[ksbsnowowl]

Sadly, nothing in that prevents you from healing the 1 point of wisdom damage naturally each day.

Quick check of the rules compendium shows that

HEALING ABILITY DAMAGE
If, during a 24-hour period, a creature gets a full 8 hours of sleep or equivalent rest (depending on the creature’s race), that creature recovers 1 ability score point per damaged ability score.

it needs sleep. Which we can't do without magic, so all the mundane folk do go crazy eventually.

They should have said so explicitly in the ability, for those that don't use Rules Compendium 

[SorO_Lost]

<snip>

Oh that. I thought he meant the Hydra's HP regeneration based on it's number of heads. *shrugs*

They should have said so explicitly in the ability, for those that don't use Rules Compendium 

Actually the equivalent rest puts it back to you. They don't need to sleep, they just need to toss and turn in bed for eight hours a day. If they get up to pace around, you can count that as an interruption and sooner or later the sustained damage will add up. It just takes a while, which is kind of the point. Killing people in a week isn't evil enough, slowly driving them mad so the still sane ones have to deal with them is the best way to go about things. 

[awaken_D_M_golem]

<snip>

Oh that. I thought he meant the Hydra's HP regeneration based on it's number of heads. *shrugs*

Hence my updated sig 

Still that's rather fantastic.  You've got a weird looking robot.
It says hey chop off my head.  <pop>  Now it has +1 head.
Repeat.  Stops at previous hydra max.
Very overpowered.


Somebody give Zook a psuedo-natural cookie  it's a cookie.

[zook1shoe]

Thx

you could even give it lycanthropy, since its now a Giant.

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Metamagic Item infusion + Persistent Spell + wand of 'insert here' = very nice

[ksbsnowowl]

wand of 'insert here'

I will NOT insert a wand there... 



 

[zook1shoe]

....  ow!

 

looks like you can make wands of infusions, could cast Metamagic Item (persistent spell) on a Wand of Metamagic Item?

[jojolagger]

Actually the equivalent rest puts it back to you. They don't need to sleep, they just need to toss and turn in bed for eight hours a day.

Actually no.

HEALING ABILITY DAMAGE
If, during a 24-hour period, a creature gets a full 8 hours of sleep or equivalent rest (depending on the creature’s race), that creature recovers 1 ability score point per damaged ability score.

The only equivalent rest to 8 hours sleep is 4 hours trance, or something similar to trancing (ie. that states it counts as 8 hours rest).

[SorO_Lost]

So you start off by saying no, then tell me Elves can do it just fine? Umm, k.

And now, a moment with SorO_Lost.

Complete bed rest for the entire 24 hours doubles this rate. Undertaking even light activity during a 24-hour period prevents this additional healing.

You don't need sleep. Period.

See also, the Heal Skill.

[Jackinthegreen]

The rules aren't clear enough and might seem contradictory, but it should be abundantly clear that whatever would be considered "rest" for the character is what's needed.  For some races, that means sleep.  For others, it doesn't.

[Arz]

Tome of Magic has the Supernatural Opportunist feat which lets you do the same thing, but has a much worse pre-req.  I like the FCII version better!

I liked the fact that unlike mageslayer, no caster nerfing occurs. Most of the mageslayers I've played are partial casters and this hurts. Along with the fact that wizards are tricksome foes already...

[TuggyNE]

The rules aren't clear enough and might seem contradictory, but it should be abundantly clear that whatever would be considered "rest" for the character is what's needed.  For some races, that means sleep.  For others, it doesn't.

24 hours of bed rest in no way involves 24 hours of sleeping, so no, it is not abundantly clear; it is not in fact clear at all.