PF Quick don shield overpowered?

[Caim_Silent_Blade]

Pathfinder has the ability to have a shield that can be donned or stored as a free action. This means that on your turn you could in theory two hand your longsword or even wield a greatsword then at the end of your turn reequip your shield. You could use the shield for attacks of opportunity especially with the bashing property or having improved shield bash.

This would give you the ability to get strength and a half on your turn and even use a two handed weapon and when it's not your turn have a higher armor class.

[Jackinthegreen]

For us in minmax I doubt that would be a big deal at all.  But I expect those guys at PF would be like "nerf it into the ground!"

[Raineh Daze]

Melee gets a nice thing! :O

But for how long?

[phaedrusxy]

Heck no it's not overpowered.

[Nunkuruji]

Iajutsu Focusing shields?

[Garryl]

Given that you still need Quick Draw to actually stow your shield and take it out again to free up that hand to use with your big weapon, no, I'd call it anything but overpowered.

[StreamOfTheSky]

Given that you still need Quick Draw to actually stow your shield and take it out again to free up that hand to use with your big weapon, no, I'd call it anything but overpowered.

Yeah, OP.  You neglected to mention this little detail.  The "trick" only works if you take Quickdraw.  Even if you didn't need to waste a feat, it wouldn't be overpowered.  But you do, in fact, have to.

[awaken_D_M_golem]

 
Can't PF Wizards still pop the level 1 Shield spell
... or something better.

[TuggyNE]

Can't PF Wizards still pop the level 1 Shield spell
... or something better.

Shhh, none of your caster superiority logic. Mundanes can't have nice things even with two feats spent.

[awaken_D_M_golem]

  ... heh

  then let's ante it up to 4 feats, to do what a 1st level caster does.

feat pre-reqs = no casting at all ; each has previous feats as pre-reqs
Bind Wounds, Lesser (ex) ... 5 minutes of downtime, heal 2 hp of any type damage
Bind Wounds, Improved ... d6+1 rounds, heal 4 hp of any type damage, (overlaps lesser)
Bind Wounds, Greater ... 1 full round, otherwise as Cure Light Wounds*, auto-lose on any drawn concentration check
Bind Wounds, Superior ... 1 move action, otherwise as CLW*, no concentration checks necessary
* functions as CLW but is not in fact magic at all
** can count as any classes bonus feat at 1st level only
*** each only heals, non of this injure undead meanness

Fluff ... the fighter appears to slap a "band-aid" on an injury, while the party makes a free action Dc10 untrained Knowledge(Far Realms) check, to determine wtf a "band-aid" is.

So that'd need 2 flaws, 1st level slot, and 1 more via Human or class, totally subverting any build to healy nonsense.  No flaws means a Human has to be 3rd level, most races have to wait til level 6.  And if you've made it this far, infer how much healing you get.  About on par with Leadership, yes?

[Sinfire Titan]

So it's Improved Buckler Defense, but for any shield and available before level 10? Not broken, and barely even worth considering.

[Frogman55]

  Fight with a two-handed weapon and then still get your shield bonus to AC! Impossible! That's clearly overpowered, everyone knows that a few more points of AC are way better than AoOs with a two-handed weapon!

[Caim_Silent_Blade]

Yeah I overlooked the quick draw requirement. And it could be used with any weapon that's at least one handed. A Bayard sword that can be two handed our one handed. Tengu are automatically proficient in all blade weapons.

[StreamOfTheSky]

I recall when I "discovered" this feat.

I had an idea to make an unarmed character (not a monk; I'm not a moron) for a PF game who has claws and a bite and combines it with TWF unarmed strikes.  I thought the shield would be an awesome way to buff my AC while still having the hand free on my turns to claw with.

But the build ended up being blatantly weaker than the party druid's pet tree (even without buffs from the druid) and I just scrapped it and made a caster instead.

True story.

[Power]

If you're not low level, you could also just get the Animated property on your shield and deploy it while you attack with your 2hander.

[Caim_Silent_Blade]

Comparing anything to a druid wizard or cleric is dumb. They are the three most overpowered classes ever made for dnd

[Raineh Daze]

Comparing anything to a druid wizard or cleric is dumb. They are the three most overpowered classes ever made for dnd

Spell-to-Power Erudite.

[Sinfire Titan]

Comparing anything to a druid wizard or cleric is dumb. They are the three most overpowered classes ever made for dnd

Spell-to-Power Erudite.

And Artificer and Archivist.

More relevant: The standards for broken are set fairly high on MMB. The Big 6 are the most powerful things in the game, and something as simple as letting a Fighter use a Shield and a two-handed weapon (assuming the Sage ruling about taking/putting one hand off/on of your weapon being a free action was kept) is nowhere near broken considering he can do it with the Dancing shield property.

[Keldar]

Comparing anything to a druid wizard or cleric is dumb. They are the three most overpowered classes ever made for dnd

But he was only comparing the build to a single class feature.  One class feature!  Honestly, its a bad sign when you actually have to work to be more useful than another character's pet.

[StreamOfTheSky]

If you're not low level, you could also just get the Animated property on your shield and deploy it while you attack with your 2hander.

Unfortunately, PF nerfed animated.  Now it only lasts a few rounds at a time, and there's no guarantee you'll get the "prep round" to activate it.  Not worth the +2, and not worth losing your first round of the combat.

High level martials in PF basically suffer a -3 to -7 AC penalty compared to 3E b/c animated heavy shield isn't ubiquitous any more.  Well, I mean sword and board doesn't suffer it.  But I'm talking about martial builds that are actually worth a damn in the first place.  Which is...basically just 2H style.

Comparing anything to a druid wizard or cleric is dumb. They are the three most overpowered classes ever made for dnd

But he was only comparing the build to a single class feature.  One class feature!  Honestly, its a bad sign when you actually have to work to be more useful than another character's pet.

Yeah, I never expected to tear asunder the fabric of space time by punching hard enough, or nerve-grip someone back to life, or make all around me bow and worship me because of how awesome I am.
But I did expect to at least outfight the druid's freaking animal companion.