Locked ? Thread, So Gestalt ? and Knock-Back ? Here

[dirkformica]

The simple question thread seems to be locked since I can't reply to it.  So I'll ask my somewhat simple questions here.

What's the consensus on Unearthed Arcana Gestalt builds that do multiple multi-classing?  For example someone who takes 5 levels of Wizard on one side, and takes 2 levels of Barbarian, and 3 levels of Fighter on the other?  Are there multiclass penalties?  What happens as they progress?  If the character NEVER takes another Barbarian level, do they incur multiclass exp penalties?

I had another question about the combination of the Improved Trip and the Knock-Back feat from Races of Stone.  If I chose to Improved Trip someone (making a touch attack, then an opposed trip check, then another attack when they're down) does that last attack allow me to activate Knock-Back and attempt a Bull Rush attempt to move them away?  Also, would all of this allow for Dungeoncrasher from Dungeonscape?

I'm basically thinking that if I'm facing an enemy with his back to the wall, and I make a trip attack, he's dropped prone, then I get a free attack, if I hit then I get to bull-rush from Knock-back, and if I succeed I'm knocking him into a wall for extra damage due to Dungeoncrasher.  Is this all correct?

[Sobolev]

It's locked because there's an entire Ask a Question Subforum located here: http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?board=17.0]

[ksbsnowowl]

The simple question thread seems to be locked since I can't reply to it.  So I'll ask my somewhat simple questions here.

What's the consensus on Unearthed Arcana Gestalt builds that do multiple multi-classing?  For example someone who takes 5 levels of Wizard on one side, and takes 2 levels of Barbarian, and 3 levels of Fighter on the other?  Are there multiclass penalties?  What happens as they progress?  If the character NEVER takes another Barbarian level, do they incur multiclass exp penalties?

Well, regardless of interpretation, your proposed Wiz 5//Barb 2/Fighter 3 wouldn't incur any XP penalties if he was human or half-elf.

I don't know what other DM's do, but in my gestalt games I apply multiclassing rules to each "side" of the gestalt separately.  I also track BAB and Saves separately on each side, and you get the better of the two.  This avoids the ridiculous interpretation of a Wiz 20//Ranger 1/Archivist 19 having +20 BAB.

So in my game an Elf Wizard 18/Fighter 2//Rogue 10/Scout 10 wouldn't have any penalties. (I realize the fighter levels are stupid; it's just an example).
Wizard is the Elf's favored class, so he's good on that side, and Rogue and Scout are within one level of each other, so that's fine.

[weenog]

Would you please stop using "?" to stand in for the word "question"?  Not only is it incredibly lazy, but at first view it looks like grammar so mangled as to be nonsense, or a display issue with unsupported characters.

[carnivore]

Well, regardless of interpretation, your proposed Wiz 5//Barb 2/Fighter 3 wouldn't incur any XP penalties if he was human or half-elf.

I don't know what other DM's do, but in my gestalt games I apply multiclassing rules to each "side" of the gestalt separately.  I also track BAB and Saves separately on each side, and you get the better of the two.  This avoids the ridiculous interpretation of a Wiz 20//Ranger 1/Archivist 19 having +20 BAB.

So in my game an Elf Wizard 18/Fighter 2//Rogue 10/Scout 10 wouldn't have any penalties. (I realize the fighter levels are stupid; it's just an example).
Wizard is the Elf's favored class, so he's good on that side, and Rogue and Scout are within one level of each other, so that's fine.

+1

 

[Vicerious]

I had another question about the combination of the Improved Trip and the Knock-Back feat from Races of Stone.  If I chose to Improved Trip someone (making a touch attack, then an opposed trip check, then another attack when they're down) does that last attack allow me to activate Knock-Back and attempt a Bull Rush attempt to move them away?  Also, would all of this allow for Dungeoncrasher from Dungeonscape?

I'm basically thinking that if I'm facing an enemy with his back to the wall, and I make a trip attack, he's dropped prone, then I get a free attack, if I hit then I get to bull-rush from Knock-back, and if I succeed I'm knocking him into a wall for extra damage due to Dungeoncrasher.  Is this all correct?

Yup.