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Psionic Artificer - Tricks aNd Tools
« on: May 14, 2014, 06:58:57 PM »
Hello everyone!
I was taking a look at psi-arti.. many talks about he is tier0 (with spell-to-power for arcane spells and Dragon #349 (I don remember the feature) variant for divine spells. Many also talk about insta recharge trick with Mental Pinnacle (don't psi-arti retain the Vanican casting?). Others also about the psi-magic pseudo-transparency for items into MICp232
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For the purpose of meeting item prerequisites, a character who has the Craft Psionic Arms and Armor feat is treated as having Craft Magic Arms and Armor. Likewise, a character who has Craft Universal Item meets the feat prerequisite for items that require Craft Wondrous Item. If an item includes a spell prerequisite, but the effect of the item does not directly implement that spell, then a psionic power of similar flavor can be substituted. If the item replicates a spell effect, then only the psionic version of that spell or a psionic power that replicates the same effect can be used to satisfy the prerequisite.
But the thing i liked most is (as advetised here by awaken_D_M_golem)

Despite the lecture google gived to me, some points of those triks are still obscure, and i have some question for the community.

1. is true that without hidden/wild talent (in case of not naturally psionic race) the character can't take metapsionic/psionic feats?
2. In order to expand the accessible powers to craft items/use spell power storing infusions with arcane and divine spells, we could assume spell-to-power and obscure feature of dragon#349 (do you know which?) for "good" or the psi-arti character should 1level dip into Erudite ?

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3. At 7th level psi-arti gain CRAFT DORJE (that you can take anyway at 6th and then reform due to "Prerequisite Manifester level 5th"), with only 325gp you can craft a lv1 dorje (750gp to buy) and with linked power metapsionic you can link a power on the fly thx to Metapsionic Power Trigger with the same area/target of the first one or selecting area/target ad hoc if first haven't.....but what kind of power could i link??

9th level powers? At 6th level and only expending 1+(17/2)=10charges => 750gp/50 x10= 150gp (a 9th level power stone would cost 3800gp and has a harder method of activation)?
Or any power i could manifest with my caster level (artificer caster level or crafting caster level?)?
Could i link a power metapsionically linked to another power, linked to another power..etc untill i consume enough charges from a wand?

Your thought? Other known or unknown :huh tricks?

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Re: Psionic Artificer - Tricks aNd Tools
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2014, 09:18:24 PM »
1. It has to have a Power point reserve of some kind. Either from class levels or one of those feats.

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Re: Psionic Artificer - Tricks aNd Tools
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2014, 04:56:14 PM »
I'm away from book, but IIRC you can use Metapsionic Power Trigger with a Dorje of Timeless Body to persist it and be immune to harmful effects for 24h.

Generally speaking, since wands only go to 4th level and dorjes go to 9th level, they can (ab)use wand tricks on a whole other level.
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Re: Psionic Artificer - Tricks aNd Tools
« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2014, 06:43:56 PM »
You rang  :bash

Just to be clear:  if "Psi Arty" = Arty then
it's yet another annoying batch of PsiX
and hinckey conversion fiddly bits.
However that's by far the easier way to play it.

Nijineko has said he has 2 different psi-artys
that he's using for real in homegames. 
Give him a ringy-dingy for how it's going.

I've haven't played one in a very long time.
I was more interested in it, for the 1% biffs
on the psiX conversion.  And there's plenty!

But yeah, recharge sits right up front.
Craft Dorje is good enough to take at level 3.
Linked Power on Dorjes = Unbound Scroll PrC.
Dual Dorje, TWF, Dorje Master feats fit too.

Heck, dorjes as uncapped Wands is ka-boom.
Magic Mantle from Divine Mind or Erudite dip 1.
Chameleon Crafting feat from Dr#349 is ...
hmm I don't think you need it, but would make
any of the magic/psi crossover stuff, more legit.

I'd hazard a guess (at this point) that the
CPsi Powerstone nerf, is still nigh-breakable. 
But not quite as good as the dorje stack,
just hella cheaper early on.

Your codpiece is a mimic.

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Re: Psionic Artificer - Tricks aNd Tools
« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2014, 08:31:11 PM »
Thx for the extensive answer, i'll pm Nijineko for more details.

However i still don't understand Dorje + Metamagic Power Trigger + Linked Power and Unbound Scroll.

Can i link any power "i know" to the one manifested from the dorje or can i choose only the power already manifested from the dorje?

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Re: Psionic Artificer - Tricks aNd Tools
« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2014, 04:41:30 PM »
Dorje in isolation, 1st level power Linked to a
better power, is popping open the action economy.
Decent not great, and magic can't do it so easily.

Dorje of 1st level power only.  Metapsi Power Trigger
... snags charges off the Dorje based on the ML boost.
Linked metapsi, references the ML cost  of the 2nd power. 
So with all these things together, the cost of the 2nd power
is Charges on the original Dorje.  It is probably the case
that they did not intend to have the "power level" of the
2nd power to be discounted, but that's what it does.

So now you read the Unbound Scroll PrC
to see what non-psi Arty has been able to do
all this time.  It's a nice discount. 
The assumption here, is even though it's a
PsiX biff, regular Arty has this available anyway.

It's no where near as good a discount stack
as PLZ + Bastian's cheap crafting handbook.
It's something decent a PsiX conversion biffed.
Magic can't do that quite so easily.
Your codpiece is a mimic.

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Re: Psionic Artificer - Tricks aNd Tools
« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2014, 06:08:56 AM »
Sorry, beside action economy that's easy to break in psi, this means that an  "average" lv6 artificer with lv1: hidden/wild talent lv3:linked power lv6: craft dorje and with (obv.)metapsi power trigger could buy/craft a dorje of charme psionic for 750gp, then fire a charm and link on the fly a microcosm (lv9 power) just spending 1+ 17/2 = 10 extra charges? Seems op :D

Or maybe he must emulate via UMD the 2nd power via  Dc 20+ML check (could be a balancing factor)
« Last Edit: May 17, 2014, 10:35:48 AM by 7h39 »

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Re: Psionic Artificer - Tricks aNd Tools
« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2014, 11:35:51 PM »
no 'tons of item creation feats' trick like the normal artificer
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