Animated Object (Awakened)

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Animated Object, Awakened (race)



Type: As constructs, Animated Objects have the following traits, except for the extra HP:

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# No Constitution score.
# Low-light vision.
# Darkvision out to 60 feet.
# Immunity to all mind-affecting effects (charms, compulsions, phantasms, patterns, and morale effects).
# Immunity to poison, sleep effects, paralysis, stunning, disease, death effects, and necromancy effects.
# Cannot heal damage on their own, but often can be repaired by certain spells. The DM may also allow the construct to be repaired with the use of the right skills with the right tools. A construct with the fast healing special quality still benefits from this quality.
# Not subject to critical hits, nonlethal damage, ability damage, ability drain, fatigue, exhaustion, or energy drain.
# Immunity to any effect that requires a Fortitude save (unless the effect also works on objects, or is harmless).
# Not at risk of death from massive damage. Immediately destroyed when reduced to 0 hit points or less.
# Since it was never alive, a construct cannot be raised or resurrected except for limited wish, wish and miracle. The 1st makes the construct lose a level, the other two don't.
#However, it can be "repaired" if destroyed by spending 24 hours of work and 500 GP of materials, which make it lose a level.

Object Body: Animated Objects are tiny sized. They lack limbs capable of fine manipulation. An Awakened Animated Object can speak. Animated objects can come in a variety of shapes, and thus have four humanoid equipment slots of the player's choice besides body/armor, provided the player can provide a decent explanation to why. The Animated Object can wear more magic equipment by having it crafted specifically for its shape, but said custom equipment costs double the normal market price. An Animated object may be enchanted as a magic item by another character with the proper resources. It can activate itself, but cannot take any actions on its own while being used as equipment by somebody else besides speaking and twisting (the twisting never stops, so anyone observing will find there's something strange with that piece of gear). As a fullround action the Animated Object may dislodge itself from anyone trying to wear it and end in an empty adjacent square.

An Animated Object's land speed is 40 feet and is immune to trip.

If they have actual legs, their base speed is 50 feet and can be tripped.

If they have four or more legs, their base speed is 60 feet and automatically fails Climb checks.

If they have wheels, their base speed is 80 feet but they automatically fail Climb and Jump checks.

An object made of wood or other material that floats can swim at half its land speed, but takes +50% damage from bludgeoning attacks.

A rope or similar sinuous object has a climb speed equal to half its land speed, but takes +50% damage from slashing weapons. Cannot have legs nor wheels.

A sheetlike object can fly (clumsy maneuverability) at half its normal speed but takes +50% damage from piercing attacks. Cannot have legs nor wheels. Cannot fly higher than 5 feet above the surface until it has at least 3 HD.


Ability Score Modifiers:  Animated objects are weak in body and even weaker in mind, but whatever force animates them at least makes them fast. Animated Objects have -2 Str, +2 Dex, -2 Wis, -2 Int and -2 Cha.

Artificial Innocence: An Animated Object has no survival instincts. They take hits head on and recklessly throw themselves into danger, not knowing yet how easy would it be for them to break and stop moving on their own again.

At 1st level, the Animated Object counts as a small creature when such would not be benefical for it instead of tiny. So for example they only gain +4 size bonus for hiding and +1 size bonus to attack rolls and AC, but still take -8 in grapple checks and have the carrying capacity of a tiny creature.

At 3 HD the Animated Object has learned how dangerous this world can be, and they lose this ability, counting as their own size all the time.

Slam: An Awakened Object has a Slam primary natural attack dealing 1d3 base damage for tiny size.

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Had actually been thinking about how to tackle this one for a while, and Anomander requesting it is a good excuse as any to finally start consolidating it. Plus it's a core monster and everything.

Starting with a base race since the basic object is tiny sized and ½ CR but then jumps straight to small sized CR 1. Gets construct traits right away but -6 negative modifier total to your scores, including sinking all mental scores. Can start pretty fast or some extra movements, but each gets certain penalties. Also no actual hands. For now.

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Animated Object, Awakened (class)


Pre-requisite:
-Animated Object base race.

Hit Dice: d10

Level	Base Attack Bonus	Fort Save	Ref Save	Will Save	Special
1st	+0	+0	+0	+0	Growth, Objective Object, +2 Str
2nd	+1	+0	+0	+0	Growth, Objective Object, +1 Str
3rd	+2	+1	+1	+1	Growth, Trample, +1 Str
4th	+3	+1	+1	+1	Over Object, +1 Str
5th	+3	+1	+1	+1	Growth, Over Object, +1 Str
6th	+4	+2	+2	+2	Optimal Object, +1 Str
7th	+5	+2	+2	+2	Growth, Optimal Object, +1 Str
8th	+6	+2	+2	+2	Outstanding Object, +1 Str
9th	+6	+3	+2	+3	Outstanding Object, +1 Str
10th	+7	+3	+3	+3	Growth, Omega Object, +1 Str

Skills: 2+Int mod, quadruple at first level, Class Skills are Balance, Bluff, Climb, Diplomacy, Intimidate, Jump, Knowledge(any), Perform, Profession (any) Swim

Proficiencies: Its own natural weapons.

Features:

Growth: The Animated Object grows to small at level 1, medium at level  2, large at level 3, huge at level 5, gargantuan at level 7 and colosal at level 10. It gains a Natural Armor bonus equal to its Str mod (minimum +1) plus another +1 for each size category it grows. This can be either the object literally becoming bigger, or transforming into another related object (for example a chair turning into a table). The Animated Object can choose to skip any of those growths to instead gain +2 to Dex or Str, but doesn't gain the +1 Nat armor in that case.

Objective Object: The Animated Object gains +1 HP per HD, plus another at 5 HD and every 5 HD thereafter. At first and second level pick two of the following options. None may be picked more than once unless noted otherwise.

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Blind-You need to be a sheetlike object such as a carpet or tapestry to pick this. You can grapple an opponent up to three sizes larger than yourself. While the Animated Object is winning the grapple, the victim is Blinded. In addition the Animated Object can choose to ignore any size bonus/penalty when grappling. If it does so, the target is blinded for 1 round if the Animated Object wins the grapple, but otherwise doesn't take any other penalties for the grapple.

Boat-You gain a Swim speed equal to twice your base speed even if you're not made of a normally buyoant material. However you can only use this swim speed to move over the water's surface.

Capturing-The object can as a fullround action move up to its speed into another creature's space and automatically start a grapple with no need of an attack roll. The victim is allowed a Reflex save with DC 10+1/2 HD+Str mod to evade the grapple and enter an empty adjacent square. However if the victim attempts an Aoo against the Animated Object, or if there's no empty square to escape to, then they automatically fail the Reflex save.

Constrict-You need to be a flexible animated object such as a rope, vine or rug. You deal damage equal to your Slam +1,5 Str mod with a successful grapple check against a creature up to one size category larger than you. In addition if you're at least Large or bigger, you can grapple multiple creatures at once and Constrict all of them with a single grapple check, as long as they're at least two sizes smaller than yourself, can fit under you and are sharing the same space. If you have Blind as well, then you can try to grapple targets up to three sizes larger than yourself, and you ignore Freedom of Movement effects on your opponent if you have at least 8 Animated Object levels, plus you apply a Dimensional Anchor effect on them while grappling.

Clean Up-The animated object must be some kind of cleaning tool, such as a broom or feather duster, and can clean up the dust and other debris at least two size categories smaller than itself. As part of land movement it can sweep the ground on its way, cleaning up. Debris (objects) that are swept so along the way all end adjacent to the animated object at the end of its movement. It also gains the Improved Overrun feat.

Clever Construction-Choose two racial or class abilities from the Animated Object that would demand you to have mutually exclusive properties (like having wheels while being a sheetlike object). You now qualify for both of them. In addition if you were taking extra damage from piercing/bludgeoning/slashing attacks and/or automatically failed at a skill check, you no loger suffer such penalties

Discrete-The Animated Object can attempt to look like a normal mundane object of its kind by remaining perfectly motionless, resisting its urge to move. It takes a Spot check vs a Disguise check to notice the ruse. Disguise is now a class skill, and the Animated Object gains a +10 racial bonus to such checks while disguising as a mundane object. If the Animated Object has at least 7 HD, indirect divinations can't pierce the ruse either unless the observer is within 10 feet.

Elegant-The Animated Object gains the Slight build property. Hide and Move Silently are now class skills.

Hard-The Animated Object gains Hardness equal to 2 +1/2 HD.

Hazardous-The Animated Object can deal either Bludgeoning, Piercing or Slashing damage, and whenever it hits an opponent with its Slam, it can start a Trip, Disarm or Bullrush check as a free action without needing a new attack roll nor provoking an attack of opportunity.

Box-You can take/remove willing creatures at least your size inside your body at the rate of a move action per creature. Those creatures benefit from Total Cover while inside you, but can't see or affect anything outside you either. As a swift action you may open some parts of your body to reduce the total cover on any or all of the creatures inside you to just cover, but those creatures can now see and target stuff outside you as normal. Closing those openings is another swift action. You can carry one creature of your own size, two one size smaller, four two sizes smaller, eight three sizes smaller, and so on. Their weight counts towards your carrying capacity.

Impressive-The Animated Object can add its Str mod to Cha-based skills and Charisma opposed checks. For each size category it is larger than the target, it gains an extra +2 in such checks, except Intimidate. It takes no penalty if it is smaller than the targer.

Instrument-The Animated Object can use Bardic Music as a a Bard of its Animated Object level. For each size category it is bigger than small, double the range of its musics. This costs two Objective Object picks.

Little-You need to be small or smaller to pick this. Your Slam reach is always at least 5 feet. If you hit another creature with your Slam attack, they must make a Fort save with DC 10+1/2 HD+Str mod or be reduced one size category (to a minimum size of fine) along with their equipment (up to a light load, any excess remains behind)! Their ability scores remain the same, their natural armor is reduced by 2 per size category they're reduced, and their movement speeds are also halved for each size category they're reduced (to a minimum of 10 feet), otherwise apply the normal size changes. They can attempt a new Fort save as a fullround action to grow one size category, reversing the effects accordingly, until they recover their original size.

Manipulation-The Animated Object can sprout chains/threads/splinters that work as human hands and allow it to perform fine manipulation. In addition you gain proficiency with Simple weapons.

Reinforced-The Animated Object gains the Powerful Build property. Sense Motive and Spot are now class skills.

Religious Relic-The Animated object picks a cleric Domain. He gains the Domain ability, using Animated Object level instead of cleric level, and can use its 1st level spell 1/hour as a SLA. In addition 1/day the Animated Object may replicate any one 1st level cleric spell and 1/minute any one 0th level cleric spell. Any expensive material or experience costs must be provided by the Animated object despite being a SLA. Save DCs are 10+1/2 HD+Str mod. This costs 2 Objective Object picks. You can pick this option multiple times, each extra one gives you a new domain. However if you pick the higher level Relic options, each one only benefits one of your domains. You can pick the higher level Relic options up to the times you picked Religious relic, each extra one benefiting another of your domains.

Sparking-The Animated Object can light certain parts of its body on fire without damaging itself, like candles or an oven's interior. This produces light as a torch, range doubled for each size category that the Animated Object is larger than small. The Animated Object's Slam deals an extra 1d3 fire damage. This damage increases by one size category for each size the Animated Object is bigger than medium.

Siege Object-You can operate as a Siege Engine of your size (you can also replicate a siege engine smaller than yourself, increase damage accordingly), provided you spend gold equal to the siege engine's price to "upgrade" yourself as a 24 hour process. However you can load, aim and fire yourself as a single fullround action, automatically succeeding at any needed checks and never taking a penalty on the attack rolls. Any DCs from your siege attacks become 10+1/2 HD+Str mod.

War Machine- The Animated Object learns one maneuver and stance from Burning Justice, Gun Maniac, Internet Explorer, Into the Danger Zone or Ace Pilot. It does not need to ready it, instead having 50 energy and recovering 5 energy per round. Its PL is equal to its Animated Object level plus half other levels. If it multiclasses as Moon Vanguard both classes will stack for calculating PL. This stacking applies only to the Moon Vanguard class in specific.

Animated Arsenal-The Animated Object gains 5 Arsenal space and 1 hardpoint, up to level I. It can change its arsenal options with 8 hours of self-reconstrunction. If it multiclasses as a Moon Vanguard, it adds 1 to its level for calculating Arsenal acess. This stacking applies only to the Moon Vanguard class in specific.

Custom-You need War Machine to pick this. You gain 2 super robot upgrade points, but you cannot pick Hyperdimensional Storage, Growth, Sentient, Gravity Engine, Great One, Tek Knight, Zero Pattern nor Transform (Fighter). Your Slam counts as an in-built weapon and your PL is equal to your Animated Object level. You can pick this option up to 4 times, its effects stack.

Pure Construction-You can count yourself as if crafted of a Pure Metal of your choice. Your Slam count as if crafted by the metal, and you count as if wearing light armor of that kind. Depending on your size you count as if wearing higher grades of armor plus a shield. If a specific material cared about your AC bonus, use half your Natural armor bonus instead. If you count as having a shield, count your full Natural armor instead. If you stand perfectly immobile, you can perform the special property of the material. You're actually only coated by a very thin layer of the pure metal, so even if you're destroyed, there'll be very little of the precius material to harvest.

Medium->Light armor and light shield.
Large->Medium armor and light shield.
Huge->Medium armor and heavy shield.
Gargantuan->Heavy armor and heavy shield.
Colossal->Heavy armor and tower shield.

Ability Score Increase: The Animated Object gains +2 Str at first level and +1 Str at each other level.

Trample: At 3rd level the Animated Object can traple creatures two or more sizes smaller than itself, dealing damage equal to its Slam damage+1,5 Str mod. Opponents who do not make attacks of opportunity can attempt a Reflex save with DC 10+1/2 HD+Str mod to half the damage.

Over Object: At 4th and 5th level pick one of the following options, or two from Objective Object. None may be taken more than once unless noted otherwise.

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Artificial Soul-The Animated Object gains 4 Spirit Points per Animated Object level and learns one Spirit. When a Spirit refers to a Mecha, it affects the Animated Object instead. It needs 5 minutes of non-activity to recharge its spirits. It counts as either a Real Pilot or Super Pilot, this choice must be made when this ability is picked and can't be changed later. In addition the Animated Object now qualifies for Pilot feats and can retrain up to two of its non-bonus feats for pilot feats. You can pick this option up to three times, its effects stack, but not more times than 1/3 your levels in Animated Object.

Greater Clean Up-You need Clean Up to pick this. The Animated Object's trample DC improves by 2 and creatures that fail or choose to make an Aoo are dragged along as if they were objects, provided they were small enough.

Driller-You can burrow through soft earth/sand/similar at half your base speed, and choose whetever you leave an useable tunnel behind.

Carrier-The Animated Object's carrying capacity is doubled and it can pick up adjacent unattended objects/willing creatures as a free action, even during movement. Those creatures count as riding the Animated Object. The Animated Object also ignores Hard terrain from now on. If you have Box, double the amount of creatures you can hold inside yourself, and you may also place them inside yourself as a free action (getting them out is still a move action).

Home-You need Box to pick this. Creatures inside benefit from extra confort and safety, gaining an extra +4 to AC and all saves even when you "open" yourself to let them peek outside. You can receive enhancements as if you were a building, except that you can't change the material you're crafted from (and thus your hardness/HP cannot be changed by building enhancements), nor can you benefit from the landlord feat.

Dangerous Container-You gain a Breath weapon that deals 1 die damage (Cold, Fire, Acid or Electricity, picked when this ability is gained) per HD, affecting a Cone with 20 feet. It can be used as a standard action and takes 1d4 turns to recharge. Damage die is 1d4 for small, 1d6 for medium, 1d8 for huge, 1d10 for Gargantuan, 1d12 for colossal. For each size category you're larger than small the cone range is doubled.

Flying-You need the Animated Object racial ability to fly to pick this. Your flight speed is now equal to your base speed and maneuverability changes to Poor.

Sacred Relic-You need Religious Relic to pick this. You can now replicate your 2nd level Domain spell once per hour and any one 2nd level cleric spell 1/day, your 1st level Domain spell once per minute and one 0th level cleric spell of your choice at will, details as with Religious Relic.

Very Hard-You need Hard to pick this. The Animated Object's Hardness increases by 2 and it gains +1 Str.

Shrugg Off- As an immediate action for 1 round you can add your Str mod to Fort saves and half all damage you take.

Micro- You need Little pick this. Now when you hit another creature with your Slam attack, they must make a Fort save with DC 10+1/2 HD+Str mod or be reduced to two sizes smaller than your own size along with their equipment (no more than a light load, any excess remains normal size)! Their ability scores remain the same, their natural armor is reduced by 2 per size category they're reduced, otherwise apply the normal size changes. They can attemt a new Fort save as a fullround action to grow one size category, reversing the effects accordingly, until they recover their original size. If they fail this save three times between size changes, the effect becomes permanent until you're destroyed. You can also dismiss the effect on an affected creature as an Immediate action.

Advanced Siege-You need Siege Object to pick this. You gain a +1 Insight bonus to siege attack rolls for each 2 HD you have, add your Str mod to ranged siege damage rolls, and can load, aim and fire yourself as a standard action.

Advanced War Machine- You need War Machine to pick this. You learn another two maneuvers and two stances from the given school options. You can pick level II options from the arsenal.  If it multiclasses as a Moon Vanguard, it now adds 4 to its level for calculating Arsenal acess. This stacking applies only to the Moon Vanguard class in specific.

Advanced Custom-You need Advanced War Machine to pick this. You gain another 5 super Robot Upgrade points to spend, with the same limitations.

Crafty Construction-You need Pure construction to pick this. You now have a binding shackle of your respective material and can throw pieces of your body that count as vials of the respective pure metal. Each such vial thrown deals you 1 point of damage.

Optimal Object: At 6th and 7th level pick one of the following options or two from  Over Object. None may be taken more than once unless noted otherwise.

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Fantastic Clean Up-The Animated Object automatically clears a way through fogs, magical or not, as well as other area magic effects that would hinder movement/vision. Any hard terrain the Animated Object crosses can be turned to normal terrain. The Animated object may also choose to let a fog as thick as its area behind after it passes, and/or a grease effect, either last 1 minute.

Great Driller-You need Driller to pick this. You can now burrow trough soft earth/sand/similar at your normal base speed and through hard materials like rock and metal at half your base speed. In addition your trample attack now deals double damage.

Guardian- the animated object may attune itself to one willing creature or object of its choice with a full-round action. It now knows precisely where that creature or object is at all times. If the distance between them is more than 100 feet, the animated object may spend a full-round action per mile that separates them to appear anywhere within 5-ft from the attuned creature/object. If they are on different planes of existence, they count as being 100 miles away from each other unless the planes are coexistent, in which case it effectively adds 1 mile to the process.

Greater Flying-You need the Animated Object racial ability to fly to pick this. Your flight speed is now equal to twice your base speed and maneuverability changes to Average.

Holy Relic-You need Sacred Relic to pick this. You can now replicate your 3rd level Domain spell 1/hour, any one 3rd level cleric spell 1/day, your 2nd level Domain spell once per minute, your 1st level Domain spell at will, details as with Religious Relic.

Mass Micro-You need Micro to pick this. As a fullround action you can move up to your base speed and attept a touch attack against every creature inside your melee reach. Struck creatures are reduced as if they had been hit by your Slam. If any attempt an Aoo against you automatically succeed on your touch attack against that one. You can also use Shrink as a SLA with CL= HD 1/hour in unattended objects.

Pocket Dimension-An animated object that has a storage space within it that can be enclosed, such as a bag, chest, basket or a even a house, can have that storage space become a pocket dimension of its own. The area is big enough to contain anything within its light carrying capacity. The animated object can take care of things within it, such as cleaning and folding clothes neatly and may have whatever it has inside be what appears when its storage space is looked into. It can retrieve from itself any item of its choice with a move action and, if it is willing, way let others retrieve them as well. The content may also be forcibly picked into if the animated object it unconscious or destroyed or while it is being pinned. If it wins the grapple check, it establishes a hold and can try to swallow the foe into its pocket dimension the following round with another successful grapple check. A foe may only be swallowed if its weight doesn't cause the animated object to carry more than its pocket dimension can carry or if it fits within the enclosed space of its container. The foe can take no actions except attempt to escape the area. It may do so with a successful grapple check, which returns it outside but still grappling the animated object. The animated object isn't treated as grappling with swallowed foes.


Unbound-Now that it can move, the Animated Object doesn't feel like being forced to stop. It gains a permanent Freedom of Movement effect on self.

Really Hard- You need Very Hard to pick this. The Animated Object's Hardness increases by 3 and it gains +2 Str.

Greater Siege-You need Over Siege to pick this. You now add 1,5 your Str mod to ranged damage rolls, ignore all cover less than total and all concealment with your siege attacks, and enemies damaged (plus every other enemy within 30 feet of the point of impact) must succeed on a Will save with DC 10+1/2 HD+Str mod or become Shaken for 1 round. Frightened for 1 round and then Shaken for 1 round if they fail by 5 or more. Panicked for 1 round, Frightened for 1 round and then Shaken for 1 round if they fail by 10 or more. Those immune to fear instead take +50% damage as they're too foolish to duck out of the way of your attacks.


Greater War Machine- You need Advanced War Machine to pick this. You learn another two maneuvers and one stance from the given school options. You gain  +10 energy.

Greater Custom-You need Greater War Machine to pick this. You gain another 6 Upgrade Points to spend, with the same limitations, plus +10 Arsenal Space.

Endure- When you use Shrugg off, you don't suffer any ill effects from attacks against which you saved.

Alloy Construction-You need Crafty Construction to pick this. You can choose a second type of pure metal to count yourself crafted from. Your thrown vials however count only as either one type of material, chosen when thrown.

Outstanding Object: At 8th and 9th level pick one of the following options, or two from Optimal Object.

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Divine Relic-You need Holy Relic to pick this. You can now replicate your 4th level Domain spell 1/hour, any one 4th level cleric spell 1/day, your 3rd level Domain spell once per minute, and your 2nd and 1st level Domain spells at will, details as with Religious Relic.


Super Cleaner-You need Fantastic Clean up to pick this. Enemies failing their save against your trample automatically lose their lowest CL magic buff, or their active martial boost/counter/stance (by that order) if they had no magic buffs . Regardless of saving against the trample or not, the Animated Object automatically removes any suit from its target, including items with "Suit" on their name.

Stupidly Hard- You need Really Hard to pick this. The Animated Object's Hardness increases by 4 and it gains +3 Str.

Outlast-When you use Shrugg Off, you may remove one ill condition in yourself with a duration other than instantaneous or permanent. You may use Shrugg Off even if normally unable to take actions.

Supreme Flying-You need the Animated Object Flying ability to fly to pick this. Your flight speed is now equal to triple your base speed and maneuverability changes to Good.

Supreme Siege-You need Greater Siege to pick this. Double the range and affected area of your ranged siege attacks. Enemies damaged by your siege attacks must succeed on a Reflex save with DC 10+1/2 HD+Str mod or be Dazed for 1 round.

Supreme War Machine-You need Advanced War Machine to pick this. You learn another three maneuvers and three stances from the given school options.  You can pick level III options from the arsenal.  If it multiclasses as a Moon Vanguard, it adds 7 to its level for calculating Arsenal acess. This stacking applies only to the Moon Vanguard class in specific.

Supreme Custom-You need Supreme War Machine to pick this. You gain another 7 Upgrade points to spend, with the same limitations, plus +1 Hardpoint.



Master Construction-You need Crafty construction to pick this. Animated Object levels now count as if granting full Bab for the purpose of Pure metal abilities, and you now count as if made of Masterwork quality. If you picked Alloy construction, only one of the materials is upgraded, you need to pick this ability twice to upgrade both.

Omega Object: At 10th level pick one of the following options, or two from Outstanding object. None may be taken more than once unless noted otherwise.

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Hardest-You need Stupidly Hard to pick this. The Animated Object's Hardness increases by 5 and it gains +4 Str. In addition it becomes immune to one Element of its choice.

Fortress-You need Stupidly Hard and Home to pick this. You gain the Landlord feat and can now use it to benefit yourself. In addition you can now improve yourself with new materials and gain their hardness, but your HP still remains unchanged.

Godly Relic-You need Divine Relic to pick this. You can now replicate your 5th level Domain spell 1/hour, any one 5th level cleric spell 1/day, your 4th level Domain spell once per minute, your 3rd, 2nd and 1st level Domain spells at will, details as with Religious Relic. In addition if the Animated Object multiclasses into a divine caster class, it  can count its AO levels as levels of that class for purposes of CL and for the purposes of learning new spells/powers and getting new spell slots/power points. However, it does not retroactively gain spell slots or new spells for caster levels she did not take, nor does she add her AO level to its character level for the purpose of other class features, such as turn undead. In alternative, if the Animated Object would take a Prc that could advance Divine spellcasting, it may instead to keep unlocking new spell levels from its Domain.

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+1 spellcasting would unlock the 5th level spell 1/minute.
+2 spellcasting would unlock the 6th level spell 1/hour and make 4th and below at-will.
+3 spellcasting would unlock the 6th level spell 1/minute.
+4 spellcasting would unlock the 7th level spell 1/hour, the 6th level spell 1/minute and make 5th and below at-will
+5 spellcasting would unlock the 7th level spell 1/minute.
+6 spellcasting would unlock the 8th level spell 1/hour, the 7th level spell 1/minute  and make 6th and below at-will
+7 spellcasting would unlock the 8th level spell 1/minute.
+8 spellcasting would unlock the 9th level spell 1/hour, the 8th level spell 1/minute and make 7th and below at-will
+9 spellcasting would unlock the 9th level spell 1/minute.
+10 spellcasting would  make 8th and below at-will.

Since you can only pick Omega Object once, only one of your domains will benefit from the above, even if you picked the previous options multiple times.

Identified Flying Object-You need the Animated Object Greater Flying ability to fly to pick this. Your flight speed is now equal to four times your base speed and maneuverability changes to Perfect. You ignore all ill weather conditions while flying and gain Flyby as a bonus feat (if you already had it, you may pick other feat for which you qualify for).

Cleaner 9000-You need Fantastic Cleaner to pick this. Any enemies hit by your Slam attack or failing their save against your trample receive one negative level. This negative level will affect even constructs and undeads as they're being literally erased from reality.

Resilient-You need Endure to pick this. When using Shrugg Off, reduce all damage you take to 1/3 instead of 1/2, and Animated Object levels now grant Full Bab while Resilient is active.

Animation Projection-The animated object learns to control the force that animates it and can project it to other objects. With a full-round action 1/hour, it loses control of its current body and gains control of any one object within 5 feet per HD. The object must be unattended and tiny-sized. Class features that permanently increase its size category such as Growth may be used to increase the size limit of the object it wishes to use as its new body. This does not heal the animated object.
If its new body is not compatible with some of its class optional abilities, it may swap them for others it qualifies for.

Secret Construction-You need Masterwork Construction to pick this. Once per hour your may change one of your pure metal kinds as a swift action. If you then start taking Fighter levels, you gain extra benefits as follows

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3 Fighter levels-The quality of one of your materials increases to Relicwork. If you change this material the benefit applies to the new material.

5 Fighter levels-You gain Alloy Construction an extra time and also Master Construction for it.

7 fighter levels-The quality of your Relicwork material increases to Artifactwork.

9 fighter levels-You gain Alloy Construction an extra time and also Master Construction for it. Your Master quality materials increase to Relicwork level.

10 fighter levels-The quality of your Artifactwork material increases to Phantasmwork

Crushing Siege-You need Supreme Siege to pick this. You can now full attack with your siege attack, although if an enemy would be forced to make multiple saves against the fear and daze, instead the respective DCs increase by 2 for each extra attack that hits. In alternative, you may fire a single shot as a fullround action that forces the damaged target to make a Fort save with DC 10+1/2 HD+Str mod or be reduced to little pieces, provided they were smaller than you. If you're firing at inanimate objects as a fullround action, including magic immaterial ones such as a Wall of force, you instead make a hole through them as wide as you are. Any creatures right behind that hole are then affected by your ranged siege attack.

Zero Machine-You learn another three maneuvers and two stances from the given school options.  You gain +10 energy. can pick level IV options from the arsenal.  It adds 10 to its level for calculating Arsenal acess. This stacking applies only to the Moon Vanguard class in specific.

X Custom-You need Supreme Custom to pick this. You gain another 8 Upgrade points to spend, with the same limitations, plus +20 Arsenal space. Choose 10 of your upgrades. You can change them as a swift action.

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Neo Objective
Prerequisite: At least four Objective Object abilities.
Benefit: You can take another two picks from the Objective Object list.


Neo Over
Prerequisite: At least two Over Object abilities, Neo Objective
Benefit: You can take another pick from the Over Object list or two from the Objective Object list.

Neo Optimal
Prerequisite: At least two Optimal Object abilities, Neo Over
Benefit: You can take another pick from the Optimal Object list, two from the Over Object list, or four from the Objective Object list, or one from the Over Object and two Objective Object.


Neo Outstanding
Prerequisite: At least two Outstanding Object ability, Neo Optimal
Benefit: You can take another pick from the Outstanding Object list, or two from the Optimal Object list, or four from the Over Object list, or eight from the Objective Object list, or one Optimal Object and two Over Object, or two from the Over Object and four Objective Object, or one Optimal Object and four Objective Object, or one Optimal Object, one Over Object, and two Objective Object.
Special: You can take this feat multiple times, its effects stack.

[Anomander]

I think the core issue is that the object can be pretty much anything. Book, weapon, treasure chest, musical instrument, house, boat, weird contraption...
When it grows... should it still be the same object, but bigger? Broom -> big broom, or should it become a bigger, different object? Boat -> Hut
Or both options being possible.

It could have a hand for fine manipulation if it was a glove/gauntlet and could even wear equipment normally if it was a statue.
Hardness could be solved by having something standard linked to HD. As for the material it is made from, it could be linked to a class ability selection. Same goes with being a masterwork item and such.

I also agree that some objects are more vulnerable than others though extra % is probably too harsh for a move speed. Maybe additional static damage or simply a reduced base hardness. Or those move speeds being part of a class feature selection. Maybe with the type of object being a requirement to avoid objects with abilities that do not fit what the object should be able to accomplish.

Thanks for taking this one on!

[oslecamo]

Ok, first draft of abilities is on, still need to work on the table and probably typos as hell. Also want to add some Pure Crafting goodies but I'm in an hurry right now.

Put in growth clarifications and one of the first level abilities allows to remove any racial vulnerabilities you picked up.

To avoid overlap with the Intelligent Item, focused on physical abilities. Also some holy casting since it's from a divine spell and stuff.

I guess a glove could hold stuff, but then wouldn't have any way to actually lift that sword.

If you want to play a humanoid statue, then just play a golem. (note to self: make stone/clay golem classes).

EDIT: Also want to add better flying/swimming options and others that directly improve the base racial abilities.

[Anomander]

Thoughts so far

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The monster races has the penalties implemented for getting the construct type as part of the class, but it already pays for it as part of its base race. Why penalize it further for a type it already has? This is closer to a monster prestige class than a normal monster class. Otherwise maybe the heavy penalties should be removed upon entering the class since other monsters usually get much more in trade for having no fine manipulation, awkward magic item slots and a bunch of ability score penalties.

Growth: Could the natural armor bonus be granted at a given level rather than a given size? That way you don't get them for free with other sources of growth and you don't miss out on stuff for choosing to not to grow (and get the +2 bonus to a physical ability score instead).

The base race focuses on Dex while the monster class focuses on Str. A little odd.

The creature doesn't get any clear item equipment slots by default (mostly a case by case basis since objects vary greatly in scope). It would help to have a uniform equipment system for them all as part of the base race.

It feels a bit empty across the whole progression and even the optional abilities do not offer all that much by themselves.

The Trample ability of the core monster is linked to size and a minimum hardness. Since that ability isn't something that fits every class archetype one would go for an animated object, it would likely be best combined with one of the hardness options or be an option of its own.

OO1 (Blind + Constrict): Blind works on grapples up to 3 sizes large and Constrict up to one size larger. If it has both, should Constrict also work up to three sizes larger?


OO1 (Constrict): How does grappling multiple creatures work? Usually a monster with this ability does not count as grappling in trade for a penalty on the grapple check, which allows it to threaten and attack other creatures to grapple them. Otherwise, it does not threaten any square so grappling more creatures gets rather difficult.

OO1 (Discrete): Sounds like something that should be granted by default. After all, an animated object that doesn't move is indistinguishable from a normal object. It would win the check by default since it isn't trying to look like something else... it looks like an object by default. When it is seen moving, though, the gig is up.
What might make the difference for an ability like this one is the ability to fool divination-like abilities and blend equipment into its appearance (say, like encrusted gems) to keep on looking like a normal object (rather than a suspicious candlestick with a boot at its base, two rings and gloves along its candles and a floppy hat on its top).

OO1 (Elegant): The Slight build property is really bad. It is much better to actually be a size category smaller and have Powerful build in comparison. As such the ability kinda sucks compared to the others. There is no point to select this as opposed to simply getting a level in a class that offers the sneaky skills along with useful class abilities.

OO1+ (War Machine+): Should the multiclass option also stack for the purpose of determining access to the Arsenal options? Mostly wondering if it is meant to be stuck at IV options with Zero Machine.

OO1+ (Custom Series): The rate at with Upgrade points are acquired gets exponentially worse the stronger the ability gets. Maybe it would be better to just stick with Custom and make it select-able more than once up to a maximum set by HD or AA levels.

OO2 (Carrier): This ability sounds more like an OO1 ability. Double carrying capacity is an ultra lite Powerful Build (although it stacks with it). The hop on feature is nice and potentially useful as a whole. An AA may qualify as an ill-suited mount unless it is something like, say, an animated rocking-horse.

OO4 (Endure): This one feels rather weak compared to the others of its category. Maybe it would fit better as an OO3.

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Maybe more abilities reliant on being a certain kind of object would be more interesting. Stuff like Drill being available to all objects is a bit weird (imagine a drilling table).

Bookish
A book-like object such as a tome, spell book/grimoire or tablet has a lot of information stored within. It can now mysteriously write itself. If it is used as a spellbook/scroll, it can add spells to itself (which, by itself, doesn't give it the ability to cast them) by consuming the required amount of treasure needed to pay for the scribing/spell entry or as part of acquiring them for free, such as the wizard's free spells each level added to his spellbook.
It could also either grant an effective maximum skill ranks or a racial bonus to a chosen Knowledge skill check and the Scribe Scroll feat (it could use its own scrolls without fail).

Guardian
With this ability, the animated object may attune itself to one willing creature or object of its choice with a full-round action. It now knows precisely where that creature or object is at all times. If the distance between them is more than 100 feet, the animated object may spend a full-round action per mile that separates them to appear anywhere within 100-ft from the attuned creature/object (minimum 1 mile). If they are on different planes of existence, they count as being 100 miles away from each other unless the planes are coexistent, in which case it effectively adds 1 mile to the process.

Improved Grab
An animated object that has a hook, pincers or a strong clenching part such as a fishing rod, anchor or denture that hits with its slam attack can then attempt to start a grapple as a free action without provoking an attack of opportunity. If it wins the grapple check, it establishes a hold on the opponent.

Flight (maybe I've seen too many flying books or weapons fighting in mid-air by themselves)
The animated object gains a flight speed equal to its land speed with clumsy maneuverability.
If it already has a flight speed, or selects this ability more than once, it may either increase its maneuverability by two steps or increase its flight speed by one-half its base land speed, up to twice times its land speed.

Clean-Up
The animated object is a cleaning tool, such as a broom or feather duster and can clean up the dust and other debris at least two size categories smaller than itself. As part of land movement it can sweep the ground on its way, cleaning up. Debris (objects) that are swept so along the way all end adjacent to the animated object at the end of its movement.
It also gains the Improved Overrun feat/Trample synergy/dust cloud effect

Pocket Dimension
An animated object that has a storage space within it that can be enclosed, such as a bag, chest, basket or a even a house, can have that storage space become a pocket dimension of its own.
The area is big enough to contain anything within its light carrying capacity. The animated object can take care of things within it, such as cleaning and folding clothes neatly and may have whatever it has inside be what appears when its storage space is looked into. It can retrieve from itself any item of its choice with a move action and, if it is willing, way let others retrieve them as well. The content may also be forcibly picked into if the animated object it unconscious or destroyed or while it is being pinned.
If it wins the grapple check, it establishes a hold and can try to swallow the foe into its pocket dimension the following round with another successful grapple check. A foe may only be swallowed if its weight doesn't cause the animated object to carry more than its pocket dimension can carry or if it fits within the enclosed space of its container. The foe can take no actions except attempt to escape the area. It may do so with a successful grapple check, which returns it outside but still grappling the animated object. The animated object isn't treated as grappling with swallowed foes.

Augmented Object
You may now enchant yourself and become a magic item. You can consume treasure over a period of 8 hours while resting next to it to convert the treasure into your enchantments.
Alternatively, you may turn into a True Metal version of yourself with the same method.

Animation Projection
The animated object learns to control the force that animates it and can project it to other objects. With a full-round action, it loses control of its current body and gains control of any one object within 5 feet per HD. The object must be unattended and tiny-sized. Class features that permanently increase its size category such as Growth may be used to increase the size limit of the object it wishes to use as its new body. This does not heal the animated object.
If its new body is not compatible with some of its class optional abilities, it may swap them for others it qualifies for.

It takes one hour before the animated object may use this ability again.

Devourer
You need Pocket Dimension to select this ability. Your pocket dimension has a constant Dimensional Lock effect within, which you may suppress for 1 round with a free action. It may also count as a Bag of Devouring; anything that tries to access its content is automatically subjected to a grapple from the animated object to avoid being pulled within it. Those that succeed the attempt still receive damage from its Slam attack.
Its pocket dimension may now hold up to its medium weight capacity and all foes swallowed into it are consumed slowly, losing hit points in chunks equal to 2% per HD of the animated object of their maximum hit points at the end their turn. A successful Fortitude save halves this damage (DC = 1/2 your HD + your Strength modifier).

[oslecamo]

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The monster races has the penalties implemented for getting the construct type as part of the class, but it already pays for it as part of its base race. Why penalize it further for a type it already has? This is closer to a monster prestige class than a normal monster class. Otherwise maybe the heavy penalties should be removed upon entering the class since other monsters usually get much more in trade for having no fine manipulation, awkward magic item slots and a bunch of ability score penalties.

I'm doubling the number of Objective Object abilities gained and breaking down some of the stronger ones. Clever construction already allowed you to remove the penalties, and now will be easier to grab.

Growth: Could the natural armor bonus be granted at a given level rather than a given size? That way you don't get them for free with other sources of growth and you don't miss out on stuff for choosing to not to grow (and get the +2 bonus to a physical ability score instead).

That's the whole point. Most monster classes that grow get free Nat armor bonus when they do so, although it's usually +1 per growth. Gonna change it to keep the trend I guess.

The base race focuses on Dex while the monster class focuses on Str. A little odd.

I'm not here to remake the wheel from scratch. Tiny animated objects have better Dex than Str, then Str becomes the dominant stat for stronger ones.

The creature doesn't get any clear item equipment slots by default (mostly a case by case basis since objects vary greatly in scope). It would help to have a uniform equipment system for them all as part of the base race.

Done in the base race.

It feels a bit empty across the whole progression and even the optional abilities do not offer all that much by themselves.

You know, in my time people were happy when a level granted growth and a HD. The Animated Object's not worst off than, say, the Antropomorphic Animal, and that one's pretty popular.

The Trample ability of the core monster is linked to size and a minimum hardness. Since that ability isn't something that fits every class archetype one would go for an animated object, it would likely be best combined with one of the hardness options or be an option of its own.

I find the idea of a tiny carboard box trying to crush a bunch of diminutive targets amusing.

OO1 (Blind + Constrict): Blind works on grapples up to 3 sizes large and Constrict up to one size larger. If it has both, should Constrict also work up to three sizes larger?

Good idea. Also added anti FoM.

OO1 (Constrict): How does grappling multiple creatures work? Usually a monster with this ability does not count as grappling in trade for a penalty on the grapple check, which allows it to threaten and attack other creatures to grapple them. Otherwise, it does not threaten any square so grappling more creatures gets rather difficult.

That's why it says you have to be two size categories larger and they must fit under you.

OO1 (Discrete): Sounds like something that should be granted by default. After all, an animated object that doesn't move is
indistinguishable from a normal object.

An animated object that isn't animate isn't your regular animated object.

It would win the check by default since it isn't trying to look like something else... it looks like an object by default. When it is seen moving, though, the gig is up.

That's the point. The Animated Object is moving. Like you still need to make Move Silently checks even if you remain on the same place. A zombie/skeleton can't disguise as an inanimate corpse by default either.

What might make the difference for an ability like this one is the ability to fool divination-like abilities and blend equipment into its appearance (say, like encrusted gems) to keep on looking like a normal object (rather than a suspicious candlestick with a boot at its base, two rings and gloves along its candles and a floppy hat on its top).

Added anti-divination.

OO1 (Elegant): The Slight build property is really bad. It is much better to actually be a size category smaller and have Powerful build in comparison. As such the ability kinda sucks compared to the others. There is no point to select this as opposed to simply getting a level in a class that offers the sneaky skills along with useful class abilities.

There's the big point that it will delay you getting more advanced AO abilities. On the other hand if there was nothing else that interested you for a sneaky animated object, then by all means go pick rogue levels, that's why there's a base race and stuff.

OO1+ (War Machine+): Should the multiclass option also stack for the purpose of determining access to the Arsenal options? Mostly wondering if it is meant to be stuck at IV options with Zero Machine.

Clarified arsenal stacking.

OO1+ (Custom Series): The rate at with Upgrade points are acquired gets exponentially worse the stronger the ability gets. Maybe it would be better to just stick with Custom and make it select-able more than once up to a maximum set by HD or AA levels.

That would be a valid point if the Animated Object wasn't gaining anything else. But they're growing and gaining Str boosts and it all stacks up. Picking 4 upgrade points 10 times as chump change would lead to some ridiculous numbers when added to everything else.

OO2 (Carrier): This ability sounds more like an OO1 ability. Double carrying capacity is an ultra lite Powerful Build (although it stacks with it). The hop on feature is nice and potentially useful as a whole. An AA may qualify as an ill-suited mount unless it is something like, say, an animated rocking-horse.

Added the option to ignore hard terrain.

OO4 (Endure): This one feels rather weak compared to the others of its category. Maybe it would fit better as an OO3.

Derp, that's because it was supposed to be. Added a new ability to OO4 to keep the "chain".

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Maybe more abilities reliant on being a certain kind of object would be more interesting. Stuff like Drill being available to all objects is a bit weird (imagine a drilling table).

Clearly you need to watch more TTGL. Everything can have drills added. EVERYTHING! Even drills themselves.

Bookish
A book-like object such as a tome, spell book/grimoire or tablet has a lot of information stored within. It can now mysteriously write itself. If it is used as a spellbook/scroll, it can add spells to itself (which, by itself, doesn't give it the ability to cast them) by consuming the required amount of treasure needed to pay for the scribing/spell entry or as part of acquiring them for free, such as the wizard's free spells each level added to his spellbook.
It could also either grant an effective maximum skill ranks or a racial bonus to a chosen Knowledge skill check and the Scribe Scroll feat (it could use its own scrolls without fail).

Not gonna turn this into a minion class, besides spells and mental stuff is in the field of the Intelligent Item.

Guardian
With this ability, the animated object may attune itself to one willing creature or object of its choice with a full-round action. It now knows precisely where that creature or object is at all times. If the distance between them is more than 100 feet, the animated object may spend a full-round action per mile that separates them to appear anywhere within 100-ft from the attuned creature/object (minimum 1 mile). If they are on different planes of existence, they count as being 100 miles away from each other unless the planes are coexistent, in which case it effectively adds 1 mile to the process.

Hmm, ok, added as an Optimal Object ability with a few tweaks.

Improved Grab
An animated object that has a hook, pincers or a strong clenching part such as a fishing rod, anchor or denture that hits with its slam attack can then attempt to start a grapple as a free action without provoking an attack of opportunity. If it wins the grapple check, it establishes a hold on the opponent.

Too cheap. There's improved grab in plenty of monsters already. Added Capturing ability instead.

Flight (maybe I've seen too many flying books or weapons fighting in mid-air by themselves)
The animated object gains a flight speed equal to its land speed with clumsy maneuverability.
If it already has a flight speed, or selects this ability more than once, it may either increase its maneuverability by two steps or increase its flight speed by one-half its base land speed, up to twice times its land speed.

The base race can grab flying, and clever construction allows for more exotic shapes. But I had said I wanted a chain to improve it, so added like that.

Clean-Up
The animated object is a cleaning tool, such as a broom or feather duster and can clean up the dust and other debris at least two size categories smaller than itself. As part of land movement it can sweep the ground on its way, cleaning up. Debris (objects) that are swept so along the way all end adjacent to the animated object at the end of its movement.
It also gains the Improved Overrun feat/Trample synergy/dust cloud effect

Oh, I like that one!

Pocket Dimension
An animated object that has a storage space within it that can be enclosed, such as a bag, chest, basket or a even a house, can have that storage space become a pocket dimension of its own.
The area is big enough to contain anything within its light carrying capacity. The animated object can take care of things within it, such as cleaning and folding clothes neatly and may have whatever it has inside be what appears when its storage space is looked into. It can retrieve from itself any item of its choice with a move action and, if it is willing, way let others retrieve them as well. The content may also be forcibly picked into if the animated object it unconscious or destroyed or while it is being pinned.
If it wins the grapple check, it establishes a hold and can try to swallow the foe into its pocket dimension the following round with another successful grapple check. A foe may only be swallowed if its weight doesn't cause the animated object to carry more than its pocket dimension can carry or if it fits within the enclosed space of its container. The foe can take no actions except attempt to escape the area. It may do so with a successful grapple check, which returns it outside but still grappling the animated object. The animated object isn't treated as grappling with swallowed foes.

Added as on optimal ability.

Augmented Object
You may now enchant yourself and become a magic item. You can consume treasure over a period of 8 hours while resting next to it to convert the treasure into your enchantments.
Alternatively, you may turn into a True Metal version of yourself with the same method.

I believe I had already explained why it's a bad idea to reward the players for dungeon eating. Anyway added the option to be enchanted by someody else in the base race and a pure metal chain.

Animation Projection
The animated object learns to control the force that animates it and can project it to other objects. With a full-round action, it loses control of its current body and gains control of any one object within 5 feet per HD. The object must be unattended and tiny-sized. Class features that permanently increase its size category such as Growth may be used to increase the size limit of the object it wishes to use as its new body. This does not heal the animated object.
If its new body is not compatible with some of its class optional abilities, it may swap them for others it qualifies for.

Interesting. Added as omega object.

It takes one hour before the animated object may use this ability again.

Devourer
You need Pocket Dimension to select this ability. Your pocket dimension has a constant Dimensional Lock effect within, which you may suppress for 1 round with a free action. It may also count as a Bag of Devouring; anything that tries to access its content is automatically subjected to a grapple from the animated object to avoid being pulled within it. Those that succeed the attempt still receive damage from its Slam attack.
Its pocket dimension may now hold up to its medium weight capacity and all foes swallowed into it are consumed slowly, losing hit points in chunks equal to 2% per HD of the animated object of their maximum hit points at the end their turn. A successful Fortitude save halves this damage (DC = 1/2 your HD + your Strength modifier).

Will comment on the suggestions later today, gotta leave now! Commented.

[Anomander]

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I'm doubling the number of Objective Object abilities gained and breaking down some of the stronger ones. Clever construction already allowed you to remove the penalties, and now will be easier to grab.

It removes some penalties but there are still a lot of them remaining. If one dedicated the first level to removing penalties, it would take care of:
-The Strength penalty
-Getting fine manipulation
-Removing crippling movement % damage penalties
-Get from tiny to small size

Which would leave you with:
-1/3 the normal amount of item slots (assuming getting arms and hands does not suddenly add the ability to wear bracers, gloves and two rings on top of the other objects, which would instead leave it with 2/3 the normal amount).
-A penalty of -2 to all mental stats

The Animated Object can wear more magic equipment by having it crafted specifically for its shape, but said custom equipment costs double the normal market price.

What's the point? If you double the cost of a magic item to have it fit a given equipment slot you might as well make it slotless instead since its the same price.

That means one level is required to become a weaker than usual construct monster class without really any class abilities. It gets better later but its still getting penalized for a creature type for which it has already been taxed as part of the base race.

You know, in my time people were happy when a level granted growth and a HD. The Animated Object's not worst off than, say, the Antropomorphic Animal, and that one's pretty popular.

I agree that its getting close to it now that it can get two abilities per OO1 and doesn't need two levels to remove some penalties. The first two growths allow it to get to medium though I'd worry about other races starting at a large size that would multiclassing into this just to nab some quick growths before entering the Titanic PrC. Maybe putting a cap on the first few ones to limit it to only becoming up to Small, then Medium would prevent that abuse.

That's the whole point. Most monster classes that grow get free Nat armor bonus when they do so, although it's usually +1 per growth. Gonna change it to keep the trend I guess.

Indeed though those get a natural armor by default at first level rather than have it depend on size alone. Now that's fixed.

I find the idea of a tiny carboard box trying to crush a bunch of diminutive targets amusing.

You should play one. Throughout the campaign you could count how many times you've used it. Then we'll laugh together.

That's the point. The Animated Object is moving. Like you still need to make Move Silently checks even if you remain on the same place. A zombie/skeleton can't disguise as an inanimate corpse by default either.

I reckon zombies/skeletons are actually indeed often confused to be corpses until you get close enough for a dramatic leg-clutch. I understand your logic and perhaps I've watched Beauty and the Beast too much.
For the bonus to disguise checks, would it be better to have it be a flat +10 racial bonus or something similar as is usual to most creatures that look like something else?

That would be a valid point if the Animated Object wasn't gaining anything else. But they're growing and gaining Str boosts and it all stacks up. Picking 4 upgrade points 10 times as chump change would lead to some ridiculous numbers when added to everything else.

Not 10x4. The maximum would be much lower. The idea would be to get a decent amount per selections without being able to select as much, so that you would be able to get a some without blowing all your abilities on it. Like a maximum amount of Upgrades equal to 3 per class level or even just 2 per class level to force diversity. Even then optimization can be further controlled by further restricting the maximum amount of upgrade points per upgrade, such as a max equal to your class level -1 or even half your class level (minimum one).
Which reminds me you might want to put a link to the super robot section in there so people don't wonder what you refer to by "super robot upgrades".

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Also, should the base race have an elevation limit until X HD for its flight speed?
Otherwise I think the Zero Machine ability is also supposed to add levels to Moon Vanguard for arsenal access purposes.

[DavidWL]

Pretty awesome idea, and pretty awesome class.  Thoughts below.

Skills --> I'd also allow 1 or 2 additional class skills that have to make sense given the objects shape.  These skills can change when the object gets a new shape via growth.

Growth --> Cool.  Can Titanic creature be updated so that you don't have to "eat" and an Animated Object could qualify?  I have this image of playing an animated floating Castle ...  Also, Note that at level 10, you have +10 to Str, 7 BAB.  Assuming total strength 30, then to-hit is +17.  Colossal Size --> -8 for a total to-hit of +9.  Not so great at 10th level for a Bruiser ... make "Elegant" almost Mandatory at higher levels.  (Which is fine ... you have lots of picks).

Objective Object --> given that abilities are broken up and there are many flaws to be removed, 2 seems fine.

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Blind + Capturing + Constrict --> Pretty boss grappler, but fine (It's 3 picks)

Elegant -> Nice ability ... better than it looks, since at level 10 you're Colossal --> this is like +4 AC, +4 to attack, +4 to hide. 

Hard -> nice.  Perhaps there should also be an ability that allows DR to stack with hardness?  Seems clunky to have DR from other sources and hardness here.  Specifically, if you have an abilty that says +3 DR, it would be nice to be able to count that as hardness.

Impressive -> why not intimidate?

Instrument -> cool and powerful.  Maybe worth more than just 1 pick of objective object. 

Religious Relic -> cool and powerful.  Eventually this means that you can cast Miracle 1/hour.  I like the domain focus (and maybe you should be able to pick this multiple times for multiple domains) but probably should cost more than 1 objective object pick. (which is about 1/48th of your total resources ...)

Animated Arsenal / Custom -> can give regeneration, which is pretty vital, given that you can't heal.

Pure Construction -> nice. 

Over Object: Granting 3 of the below level seems a bit much ... overall, these abilities are about equally powerful (compared to bardic music, 1/hr of each domain spell, flight via "Custom", etc.)

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Artificial Soul - Do the spirit points stack as well?  Good ability.

Carrier - Nice (free movement for allies) + ignore terrain.

Dangerous Container - Cool ... a dragon-like animated object.

Flying - Strictly worse than 1 pick of Custom, which gives "Gravity Engine".  That needs to be weaker or this stronger.

Sacred Relic - doesn't seem that good ... you can already cast level appropraite domain spell.  Any 1 2nd level spell is nice, but doesn't scale as well as other abilties, and 1/minute 1st level spell isn't enough to spam and be special.  I think this should be buffed a little bit.

Shrugg Off - Nice.

Optimal Object:

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Fantastic Clean Up - a cool & flavorful chain of abilites.  Nice.

Guardian - Nice

Greater Flying - About the same as good as the "Objective Object" Custom ability "Gravity Engine".  Less good than Gravity Engine + Transform (Fighter).  That needs to be weaker or this stronger.

Holy Relic - 1st level domain at will is pretty cool + any 3rd level cleric.  Seems good to me.  Once again, some way to pick these multiple times (and scaling better) so you can be a weird substitute cleric would be fun.

Pocket Dimension - Cool

Outstanding Object:

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Divine Relic-I think you mean to say 4th level cleric spell 1/day.

Outlast - Nice

Supreme Flying - Once again ... need to update someone to make balanced with Custom options

Omega Object
* The scaling of picks is a bit funny ... 1 omega object = 2 Outstanding Object = 4 Optimal Object = 8 Over object = 24 Objective Object.  Effectively, you have 24+24+12+6+4 = 70 objective object picks.  It isn't really balanced ... spend 1 outstanding object pick and get 12 objective object picks ... just too strong.
* The capstone Omega Object doesn't scale ... no way to become a better pure metal or get better robotic weapons, etc.  You get 10th level abilities that can't improve beyond 10th ... I'd say if you pick one of these, then you have some way of having the abilities continue to improve.  It may cost feat(s) or you may get it for free.
* Can you use the feat to get extra abilities?

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Godly Relic - Nice.  The once/minute & at-will is interesting with things like the oracle domain, spell domain, etc.

Identified Flying Object - Nice ability.  Perhaps water it down a little bit and make it an outstanding object pick? (2x speed?).  Or also add that you get flyby attack as a feat as well?

Animation Projection - This basically allows you to body jump, correct?  Note that really any object up to collosal should be fair game because you have to be 10th level to take this ...

Secret Construction - cool.

P.S.  I imagine it would be fun to have various prestige classes ... play a mob of animated objects, play a hive-mind, somehow become a mini-mechanus (with titanic creature and extra levels of growth) ...

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You left something off the quote in the suggestions:

It takes one hour before the animated object may use this ability again.

Devourer
You need Pocket Dimension to select this ability. Your pocket dimension has a constant Dimensional Lock effect within, which you may suppress for 1 round with a free action. It may also count as a Bag of Devouring; anything that tries to access its content is automatically subjected to a grapple from the animated object to avoid being pulled within it. Those that succeed the attempt still receive damage from its Slam attack.
Its pocket dimension may now hold up to its medium weight capacity and all foes swallowed into it are consumed slowly, losing hit points in chunks equal to 2% per HD of the animated object of their maximum hit points at the end their turn. A successful Fortitude save halves this damage (DC = 1/2 your HD + your Strength modifier).

The suggested 1 hour cooldown was for Animation Projection. Devourer is the upgrade of Pocket Dimension.

I also realized that the tiny cardboard box cannot trample diminutive targets. Only fine ones since they must be two size categories smaller.

It can activate itself, but cannot take any actions on its own while being used as equipment by somebody else besides speaking and twisting (the twisting never stops, so anyone observing will find there's something strange with that piece of gear)

Can someone use it as a magic item by force (or whichever way the object it is can normally be used)? Maybe while the object is pinned?

Clearly you need to watch more TTGL. Everything can have drills added. EVERYTHING! Even drills themselves.

Sure, I mean, it was just an example. Point being

Godly Relic-You need Religious Relic to pick this

There is a mistake here that allows people to skip a bunch of relic abilities to get the final one.

Fantastic Clean Up- [...] The Animated object may also choose to let a fog as thick as its area behind after it passes.

Should there be a duration for this fog effect?

Super Cleaner- [...] Regardless of saving against the trample or not, they automatically lose any class ability with suit on its name.

Should there be a duration for this effect as well? Mostly, like other abilities requiring a specific word in the name, its too specific to be as useful against the things it should apply that have a similar name but not quite the same. Maybe generalize it to class abilities based on armor and clothing? It would also prevent weird interactions with possible card-based/lawyer/other unrelated class abilities.

Bookish

Not gonna turn this into a minion class, besides spells and mental stuff is in the field of the Intelligent Item.

Well, it was mostly meant to help in knowledge stuff. Spellbook thingies only being good if the book actually multiclassing into a casting class, in which case it is already behind in his progression. I imagined a history book with scholar class levels; It changes history by rewriting itself.

Guardian
I like it more this way. I was mostly considering having it appear 100-ft away from the target rather than within 100-ft. but its just as good if not more thematic to have it it appear withing 5-ft.

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Growth --> Cool.  Can Titanic creature be updated so that you don't have to "eat" and an Animated Object could qualify?

You can always try to deal this out with your DM. Such as being an object that consumes a lot of stuff to function, like a steam-powered contraption or a giant barbecue. Remember Howl's Moving Castle? That thing was powered by a living fire that died if it had nothing to burn. I recall there being an homebrew somewhere in these boards for to convert a construct creature into a living construct that needs fuel to survive.

Elegant -> Nice ability ... better than it looks, since at level 10 you're Colossal --> this is like +4 AC, +4 to attack, +4 to hide. 

Wow. You're right! It's pretty good in that perspective.

Hard -> nice.  Perhaps there should also be an ability that allows DR to stack with hardness?  Seems clunky to have DR from other sources and hardness here.  Specifically, if you have an abilty that says +3 DR, it would be nice to be able to count that as hardness.

Hardness and DR are two different things. Damage has to go through both.

Impressive -> why not intimidate?

Intimidate already gets +4 per size increase. It doesn't need more off this ability.

Sacred Relic - doesn't seem that good ... you can already cast level appropraite domain spell.  Any 1 2nd level spell is nice, but doesn't scale as well as other abilties, and 1/minute 1st level spell isn't enough to spam and be special.  I think this should be buffed a little bit.

I think its all right. Especially as a requirement for the later stuff.
I don't think being able to select a bunch of domains even at higher costs is a good idea.

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I'm doubling the number of Objective Object abilities gained and breaking down some of the stronger ones. Clever construction already allowed you to remove the penalties, and now will be easier to grab.

It removes some penalties but there are still a lot of them remaining. If one dedicated the first level to removing penalties, it would take care of:
-The Strength penalty
-Getting fine manipulation
-Removing crippling movement % damage penalties
-Get from tiny to small size

Which would leave you with:
-1/3 the normal amount of item slots (assuming getting arms and hands does not suddenly add the ability to wear bracers, gloves and two rings on top of the other objects, which would instead leave it with 2/3 the normal amount).
-A penalty of -2 to all mental stats

You're forgetting that the movement % damage penalties mean you're gaining new movement options. You could be starting with 60 feet flight speed and fine manipulation with simple weapon proficiency meaning you kite 90% of low level encounters with ranged weapons while laughing maniacally.

The Animated Object can wear more magic equipment by having it crafted specifically for its shape, but said custom equipment costs double the normal market price.

What's the point? If you double the cost of a magic item to have it fit a given equipment slot you might as well make it slotless instead since its the same price.

By pure RAW the crafting rules are pretty stupid and nobody really uses them as they are. Yes, you technically can make any item slotless by paying double. But then you could also make it cheaper than the original by making it race/alignment/something else specific. So the point is to claim I consider it fair to pay double for go over the base slots, but not

That means one level is required to become a weaker than usual construct monster class without really any class abilities. It gets better later but its still getting penalized for a creature type for which it has already been taxed as part of the base race.

O'rrly? Let's see who's actually the strongest among construct classes.

Raggamoffyns are slower and don't have ranged weapons, they lose.
Sand, Shadesteel, Force golem plus Anaxim and Nimblewright are also outranged and can't even fly, they lose harder.
Dread scarecrow and Carrionete may trade shots evenly, but the Animated Object can still fly circles around them.
Iron Golem and Maug may win thanks to martial weapon proficiency, but they're even more outmaneuvered.

60. Feet. Flight. Speed. Plus. Ranged. Weapons. You don't actually need anything else to own at low levels.
That's of course assuming you're really diehard about removing all the penalties (hint: you don't). You could also choose to "just" have a 40 feet land speed from the start and then go grab yourself some guns/spells/hardness or something else.

And who cares about body slots at first level anyway? By the time that matters you'll be unlocking much better AO abilities.

You know, in my time people were happy when a level granted growth and a HD. The Animated Object's not worst off than, say, the Antropomorphic Animal, and that one's pretty popular.

I agree that its getting close to it now that it can get two abilities per OO1 and doesn't need two levels to remove some penalties. The first two growths allow it to get to medium though I'd worry about other races starting at a large size that would multiclassing into this just to nab some quick growths before entering the Titanic PrC. Maybe putting a cap on the first few ones to limit it to only becoming up to Small, then Medium would prevent that abuse.

Done.

I find the idea of a tiny carboard box trying to crush a bunch of diminutive targets amusing.

You should play one. Throughout the campaign you could count how many times you've used it. Then we'll laugh together.

You're provoking me to make a DMNPC? Challenge accepted. 

That's the point. The Animated Object is moving. Like you still need to make Move Silently checks even if you remain on the same place. A zombie/skeleton can't disguise as an inanimate corpse by default either.

I reckon zombies/skeletons are actually indeed often confused to be corpses until you get close enough for a dramatic leg-clutch. I understand your logic and perhaps I've watched Beauty and the Beast too much.
For the bonus to disguise checks, would it be better to have it be a flat +10 racial bonus or something similar as is usual to most creatures that look like something else?

Done.

That would be a valid point if the Animated Object wasn't gaining anything else. But they're growing and gaining Str boosts and it all stacks up. Picking 4 upgrade points 10 times as chump change would lead to some ridiculous numbers when added to everything else.

Not 10x4. The maximum would be much lower. The idea would be to get a decent amount per selections without being able to select as much, so that you would be able to get a some without blowing all your abilities on it. Like a maximum amount of Upgrades equal to 3 per class level or even just 2 per class level to force diversity. Even then optimization can be further controlled by further restricting the maximum amount of upgrade points per upgrade, such as a max equal to your class level -1 or even half your class level (minimum one).
Which reminds me you might want to put a link to the super robot section in there so people don't wonder what you refer to by "super robot upgrades".

But there's already a link to the other thread in there...

Anyway unless you show me some hard numbers to prove the option is weaksauce right now, I'm not buffing it for buffing's sake. After all, just a moment ago you were complaining about how "weak" the Animated Object is for "only" being able to solo most CR 1 challenges out there by itself.

Also, should the base race have an elevation limit until X HD for its flight speed?

Maybe there's some hope after all. Added limitation until 3 HD. Still my point stands. By picking the limitation removers, you end with an Animated Object that moves 60 feet per turn while ignoring hard terrain and shooting simple weapons to kite most low level enemies at range, including most other low level constructs.

Otherwise I think the Zero Machine ability is also supposed to add levels to Moon Vanguard for arsenal access purposes.

Ups, added.

You left something off the quote in the suggestions:

It takes one hour before the animated object may use this ability again.

Devourer
You need Pocket Dimension to select this ability. Your pocket dimension has a constant Dimensional Lock effect within, which you may suppress for 1 round with a free action. It may also count as a Bag of Devouring; anything that tries to access its content is automatically subjected to a grapple from the animated object to avoid being pulled within it. Those that succeed the attempt still receive damage from its Slam attack.
Its pocket dimension may now hold up to its medium weight capacity and all foes swallowed into it are consumed slowly, losing hit points in chunks equal to 2% per HD of the animated object of their maximum hit points at the end their turn. A successful Fortitude save halves this damage (DC = 1/2 your HD + your Strength modifier).

The suggested 1 hour cooldown was for Animation Projection. Devourer is the upgrade of Pocket Dimension.

Added 1 hour cooldown to Animation projection.

As for Devourer, I just didn't feel like this belonged here at all. Besides poor wording (who cares about pseudo-digestion, bag of devourings 1-round any creature inside), it's something one would expect from a living creature with a digestive system and stuff, which is what the bag of devouring actually is. You can already get Dimensional Anchor on grapple from othe AO abilities, and reduction % based on max HP reduction is kinda kicking while insulting brute opponents. "Oh you invested in a big HD and Con? SUCKER!"

I also realized that the tiny cardboard box cannot trample diminutive targets. Only fine ones since they must be two size categories smaller.

Details, details. Guess I'll have to go stat up that opposite of titan creature after all.

It can activate itself, but cannot take any actions on its own while being used as equipment by somebody else besides speaking and twisting (the twisting never stops, so anyone observing will find there's something strange with that piece of gear)

Can someone use it as a magic item by force (or whichever way the object it is can normally be used)? Maybe while the object is pinned?

No more than you can force a wizard to cast spells while you have him pinned. Perhaps with some intimidate checks.

Godly Relic-You need Religious Relic to pick this

There is a mistake here that allows people to skip a bunch of relic abilities to get the final one.

Typos, typos everywhere. Fixed.

Fantastic Clean Up- [...] The Animated object may also choose to let a fog as thick as its area behind after it passes.

Should there be a duration for this fog effect?

Good point, made it 1 minute.

Super Cleaner- [...] Regardless of saving against the trample or not, they automatically lose any class ability with suit on its name.

Should there be a duration for this effect as well? Mostly, like other abilities requiring a specific word in the name, its too specific to be as useful against the things it should apply that have a similar name but not quite the same. Maybe generalize it to class abilities based on armor and clothing? It would also prevent weird interactions with possible card-based/lawyer/other unrelated class abilities.

Clarified wording to be more similar to Corpse Voyage's Torture Cart which was a partial inspiration for this.

Bookish

Not gonna turn this into a minion class, besides spells and mental stuff is in the field of the Intelligent Item.

Well, it was mostly meant to help in knowledge stuff. Spellbook thingies only being good if the book actually multiclassing into a casting class, in which case it is already behind in his progression. I imagined a history book with scholar class levels; It changes history by rewriting itself.

Well, that's for what you have the base race, just skip the racial class and go straight to Scholar. You don't even need to be able to hold weapons for that one after all.

Actually hold that thought, added clause to Plain History allowing writing-related Animated Objects to qualify automatically.

Guardian
I like it more this way. I was mostly considering having it appear 100-ft away from the target rather than within 100-ft. but its just as good if not more thematic to have it it appear withing 5-ft.

Nice!

Pretty awesome idea, and pretty awesome class.  Thoughts below.

Skills --> I'd also allow 1 or 2 additional class skills that have to make sense given the objects shape.  These skills can change when the object gets a new shape via growth.

I would like something like that, I would really do. But the Animated Object already has Profession and Craft and Profession as class skills, so let's not fool ourselves, every Animated Object would end as some UMD/Tumble item. Nobody would play a simple broom or teap cup, and that would be a failure.

Growth --> Cool.  Can Titanic creature be updated so that you don't have to "eat" and an Animated Object could qualify? 

Titanic Creature only has to eat a lot. It doesn't actually needs to eat to survive to qualify. Just ramming food down a hole and crushing it somehow will do.

I have this image of playing an animated floating Castle ...  Also, Note that at level 10, you have +10 to Str, 7 BAB.  Assuming total strength 30, then to-hit is +17.  Colossal Size --> -8 for a total to-hit of +9.  Not so great at 10th level for a Bruiser ... make "Elegant" almost Mandatory at higher levels.  (Which is fine ... you have lots of picks).

Yeah, plus you can grab extra Str boosts and whatnot.

Objective Object --> given that abilities are broken up and there are many flaws to be removed, 2 seems fine.

Blind + Capturing + Constrict --> Pretty boss grappler, but fine (It's 3 picks)

Elegant -> Nice ability ... better than it looks, since at level 10 you're Colossal --> this is like +4 AC, +4 to attack, +4 to hide. 

Hard -> nice.  Perhaps there should also be an ability that allows DR to stack with hardness?  Seems clunky to have DR from other sources and hardness here.  Specifically, if you have an abilty that says +3 DR, it would be nice to be able to count that as hardness.

I believe that hardness and DR already stack, since they're two different abilities. You count both when appliable.

Impressive -> why not intimidate?

Because Intimidate already auto-scales with size.

Instrument -> cool and powerful.  Maybe worth more than just 1 pick of objective object. 

Done, since I couldn't think of a proper way to split it.

Religious Relic -> cool and powerful.  Eventually this means that you can cast Miracle 1/hour.  I like the domain focus (and maybe you should be able to pick this multiple times for multiple domains) but probably should cost more than 1 objective object pick. (which is about 1/48th of your total resources ...)

Made it costs two picks as well, and removed the auto-scaling, moving it to the higher level abilities.

Animated Arsenal / Custom -> can give regeneration, which is pretty vital, given that you can't heal.

Pure Construction -> nice. 


Over Object: Granting 3 of the below level seems a bit much ... overall, these abilities are about equally powerful (compared to bardic music, 1/hr of each domain spell, flight via "Custom", etc.)

Would you still say that after the above nerfs?

Artificial Soul - Do the spirit points stack as well?  Good ability.

Yes.

Carrier - Nice (free movement for allies) + ignore terrain.

Dangerous Container - Cool ... a dragon-like animated object.

Flying - Strictly worse than 1 pick of Custom, which gives "Gravity Engine".  That needs to be weaker or this stronger.

Custom can no longer select Gravity Engine.

Sacred Relic - doesn't seem that good ... you can already cast level appropraite domain spell.  Any 1 2nd level spell is nice, but doesn't scale as well as other abilties, and 1/minute 1st level spell isn't enough to spam and be special.  I think this should be buffed a little bit.

Added one at-will cleric 0th level spell

Shrugg Off - Nice.

Optimal Object:

Fantastic Clean Up - a cool & flavorful chain of abilites.  Nice.

Guardian - Nice

Greater Flying - About the same as good as the "Objective Object" Custom ability "Gravity Engine".  Less good than Gravity Engine + Transform (Fighter).  That needs to be weaker or this stronger.

Also removed the Transform(Fighter) from the Custom options.

Holy Relic - 1st level domain at will is pretty cool + any 3rd level cleric.  Seems good to me.  Once again, some way to pick these multiple times (and scaling better) so you can be a weird substitute cleric would be fun.

Hmm, will think about that, sounds like an interesting suggestion.

Pocket Dimension - Cool

Outstanding Object:
Divine Relic-I think you mean to say 4th level cleric spell 1/day.

Ups, yes, fixed.

Outlast - Nice

Supreme Flying - Once again ... need to update someone to make balanced with Custom options

As above, limited custom options.

Omega Object
* The scaling of picks is a bit funny ... 1 omega object = 2 Outstanding Object = 4 Optimal Object = 8 Over object = 24 Objective Object.  Effectively, you have 24+24+12+6+4 = 70 objective object picks.  It isn't really balanced ... spend 1 outstanding object pick and get 12 objective object picks ... just too strong.

Well, could you give an example of "worst case scenario"? I'm not even sure you can pick 70 Objective picks.

* The capstone Omega Object doesn't scale ... no way to become a better pure metal or get better robotic weapons, etc.  You get 10th level abilities that can't improve beyond 10th ... I'd say if you pick one of these, then you have some way of having the abilities continue to improve.  It may cost feat(s) or you may get it for free.

Nice ideas, wil also think about them. Not free tough, the higher level Arsenal and pure crafting are pretty powerful.

* Can you use the feat to get extra abilities?

Probably will make it so, unless you show me that there's some crazy stacking potential. Probably like the Titanic creature where you need all levels before you can grab the feat for that. Or custom feats like the Paragon, so you only get one Omega Object ability.

Godly Relic - Nice.  The once/minute & at-will is interesting with things like the oracle domain, spell domain, etc.

Identified Flying Object - Nice ability.  Perhaps water it down a little bit and make it an outstanding object pick? (2x speed?).  Or also add that you get flyby attack as a feat as well?

Adds Flyby attack now.

Animation Projection - This basically allows you to body jump, correct?  Note that really any object up to collosal should be fair game because you have to be 10th level to take this ...

Yes. Kinda crazy, but doesn't actually make you fight better, and you'll be skipping the other Omega Object abilities.

Secret Construction - cool.

P.S.  I imagine it would be fun to have various prestige classes ... play a mob of animated objects, play a hive-mind, somehow become a mini-mechanus (with titanic creature and extra levels of growth) ...

Gah, more work for me! 

Really hungry right now, will answer to Anomander's second post later. Replied to all of Anomander's comments now.

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Over Object: Granting 3 of the below level seems a bit much ... overall, these abilities are about equally powerful (compared to bardic music, 1/hr of each domain spell, flight via "Custom", etc.)

Would you still say that after the above nerfs?

Better now.

Sacred Relic - doesn't seem that good ... you can already cast level appropraite domain spell.  Any 1 2nd level spell is nice, but doesn't scale as well as other abilties, and 1/minute 1st level spell isn't enough to spam and be special.  I think this should be buffed a little bit.

Added one at-will cleric 0th level spell

Good change.  Adds a touch of the saint, which is fitting.

Holy Relic - 1st level domain at will is pretty cool + any 3rd level cleric.  Seems good to me.  Once again, some way to pick these multiple times (and scaling better) so you can be a weird substitute cleric would be fun.

Hmm, will think about that, sounds like an interesting suggestion.

I'm tempted to say, "just allow it to be picked multiple times for multiple domains".  Frankly, the benefit of the 2nd is less than the first, etc. so I think it should be balanced. 

Omega Object
* The scaling of picks is a bit funny ... 1 omega object = 2 Outstanding Object = 4 Optimal Object = 8 Over object = 24 Objective Object.  Effectively, you have 24+24+12+6+4 = 70 objective object picks.  It isn't really balanced ... spend 1 outstanding object pick and get 12 objective object picks ... just too strong.

Well, could you give an example of "worst case scenario"? I'm not even sure you can pick 70 Objective picks.

For example:  1 choice from optimal object = 12 objective object
= Blind, Capturing, Constrict, Hard, Hazardous, Instrument, War Machine, 4x choices from Custom (8 points) --> Power, Rending, Pinning, Plating*2
--> Amazing Grappler, Tougher, Level equivalent Bard, Very dangerous in melee. 

No one thing is too powerful, but it seems too much to get for 1 pick at 8th level ...

* The capstone Omega Object doesn't scale ... no way to become a better pure metal or get better robotic weapons, etc.  You get 10th level abilities that can't improve beyond 10th ... I'd say if you pick one of these, then you have some way of having the abilities continue to improve.  It may cost feat(s) or you may get it for free.

Nice ideas, will also think about them. Not free tough, the higher level Arsenal and pure crafting are pretty powerful.

I'm tempted to say that any class that progresses manifestor level, can progress pure crafting or robotic weaopns instead.  Any class that progresses arcane or divine casting can progress the wonky domain spontaneity instead.  Something like that.  Then there is a cost which means something.

* Can you use the feat to get extra abilities?

Probably will make it so, unless you show me that there's some crazy stacking potential.

Seems fine to me.  The only thing to be careful with is how many lower-level abilities can be selected (example above).

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David

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Holy Relic - 1st level domain at will is pretty cool + any 3rd level cleric.  Seems good to me.  Once again, some way to pick these multiple times (and scaling better) so you can be a weird substitute cleric would be fun.

Hmm, will think about that, sounds like an interesting suggestion.

I'm tempted to say, "just allow it to be picked multiple times for multiple domains".  Frankly, the benefit of the 2nd is less than the first, etc. so I think it should be balanced. 

The problem is more that I'll need to change the wording of all the upper options, otherwise it'll get silly pretty quickly at high levels as each relic option chain suddenly gives you a crapload of new spells per hour.

Or I could put all the wording for that in the first level ability I guess, done.

Omega Object
* The scaling of picks is a bit funny ... 1 omega object = 2 Outstanding Object = 4 Optimal Object = 8 Over object = 24 Objective Object.  Effectively, you have 24+24+12+6+4 = 70 objective object picks.  It isn't really balanced ... spend 1 outstanding object pick and get 12 objective object picks ... just too strong.

Well, could you give an example of "worst case scenario"? I'm not even sure you can pick 70 Objective picks.

For example:  1 choice from optimal object = 12 objective object
= Blind, Capturing, Constrict, Hard, Hazardous, Instrument, War Machine, 4x choices from Custom (8 points) --> Power, Rending, Pinning, Plating*2
--> Amazing Grappler, Tougher, Level equivalent Bard, Very dangerous in melee. 

No one thing is too powerful, but it seems too much to get for 1 pick at 8th level ...

In that specific case, you would need to skip several picks for Clever Construction, as Blind, Constrict, Hard and Instrument are all kinda self-contradictory for a single object. You can't just cherry-pick abilities willy nilly claiming "I'm a sheetlike cordlike musical instrument that happens to be very hard".

* The capstone Omega Object doesn't scale ... no way to become a better pure metal or get better robotic weapons, etc.  You get 10th level abilities that can't improve beyond 10th ... I'd say if you pick one of these, then you have some way of having the abilities continue to improve.  It may cost feat(s) or you may get it for free.

Nice ideas, will also think about them. Not free tough, the higher level Arsenal and pure crafting are pretty powerful.

I'm tempted to say that any class that progresses manifestor level, can progress pure crafting or robotic weaopns instead.  Any class that progresses arcane or divine casting can progress the wonky domain spontaneity instead.  Something like that.  Then there is a cost which means something.

Now that you mention it, arsenal is already progressed by multiclassing as Moon Vanguard, so that one's covered.

Added custom spellcasting progression to Godly Relic if you take a divine casting prc.

Made pure metal progress with fighter levels.

* Can you use the feat to get extra abilities?

Probably will make it so, unless you show me that there's some crazy stacking potential.

Seems fine to me.  The only thing to be careful with is how many lower-level abilities can be selected (example above).

Best
David

Added custom feats to pick more options, each of them demand that you actually have picked the higher tier of abilities without swapping plus the previous feats.

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You're forgetting that the movement % damage penalties mean you're gaining new movement options. You could be starting with 60 feet flight speed and fine manipulation with simple weapon proficiency meaning you kite 90% of low level encounters with ranged weapons while laughing maniacally.

Not sure how you got that flight speed number.
By default, half of 80-ft (wheeled) land speed is 40-ft.

By pure RAW the crafting rules are pretty stupid and nobody really uses them as they are. Yes, you technically can make any item slotless by paying double. But then you could also make it cheaper than the original by making it race/alignment/something else specific. So the point is to claim I consider it fair to pay double for go over the base slots, but not

I don't see where you got the table information for reducing market price using restrictions. Now I'm curious, where is it?

You're provoking me to make a DMNPC? Challenge accepted. 

Make it your PC. Its not the same when you can't personally tailor your own encounters.

But there's already a link to the other thread in there...

The link was to disciplines and Moon Vanguard. The direct link to the super upgrades will help those that don't know they can find their details by following other links in Moon Vanguard, which is referred to in a different ability, or somewhere in the board of the disciplines.
Thanks, it also makes it more convenient for those who know where to find them as well.

By picking the limitation removers, you end with an Animated Object that moves 60 feet per turn while ignoring hard terrain and shooting simple weapons to kite most low level enemies at range, including most other low level constructs.

Its nice but nothing impressive. Even assuming an open battlefield with no obstacles nor roof nor any other really common encounter area that wouldn't give the ranged fighter all that much of an advantage despite the terrible threat of its tiny sized base weapon damage, there are strategies for the other constructs to win the duel. Easily without flight elevation.
Most importantly, they all have abilities that are not meant to be evaluated as to how useful it makes them against each other at a given level but in their own in the team in doing their respective role.

Can it solo entire encounters on its own? Maybe if the fight happens somewhere entirely to its advantage. Even then its not a sure thing if we assume the opponent(s) knows what its/they is/are doing.
Still, I'll concede that your point is sound in that it has other rare options that makes it worth being crippled as they are.
And for everything else, nothing stops players from taking care of the problem by means outside of the monster class.
So it's all fine.

Anyway unless you show me some hard numbers to prove the option is weaksauce right now, I'm not buffing it for buffing's sake.

Actually, I just checked the numbers and I believe that while on their own as an ability it may not be good enough in a straight comparison of class-granted resources per level, globally with the others it is already probably too strong. Artificial Soul seems to give too much spirit points per pick. The warmachine ability path has maybe too many stances or could be fine on its own without the extra arsenal space, which could be given to the Custom ability path instead (so it would be the same if you pick them both, or weaker if you don't). Especially considering you technically automatically get another 50 arsenal space for arsenal III stuff when you later pick one level of Moonvanguard that simulates Super Robot (which delays your arsenal level progression but you already have a few level IV arsenal option off AO) or more if it emulates Real Robot.

Devourer
There wasn't a dimensional lock/anchor effect on grappled opponents then. With a bunch of minor grappling based abilities I thought it'd make a nice grappling-based capstone (though besides Pocket Dimension there aren't other grapple-based abilities beyond OO1 so that's a moot point). It doesn't have to be as is, mostly a suggestion. Perhaps an advanced form of Capture with it as a requirement to be able to use iterative attacks during the ability. I you have Pocket Dimension, you can try to swallow them in on the same round. (1st grapple attack to get a hold and second to swallow instead of pinning)

Super Cleaner
Doesn't seem to be a maneuver or special object by that name. Still, looks a lot more versatile now! Comparing it with other special attack effects like Power and Concussive, removing an armor/torso magic item and most other pieces of magic equipment that can be considered to be part of a suit (hat, cloak, boots, etc) rather than only making them inefficient for 1 round (sorta like concussive with dex/dodge bonus to AC) to have to equip is pretty powerful. Not only do they stop doing what they do but they also have to be equipped again, which takes actions. And they don't even need to hit, have them fail a save, fail a disarm check per suit or similar. Also, once removed, is it like a disarmed object (falling adjacent to the disarmed creature or in hand if there is a free hand)?
Maybe the ability could scale, starting with an automatic Disarm attack for one piece of clothe that easy of access (like most cloaks/hats, perhaps with a racial bonus on that special disarm check), then include more secured suit pieces (armor/shirts/pants) and finally one disarm for every piece in a single attempt.
Otherwise the ability is interesting though there is already a pretty good defuffer included in it, so it packs a lot of punch as a single ability.

The ability also feels a bit awkward for a broom-like tool but I can totally imagine a feather duster going through some dude/gal, stripping it somehow and leaving its clothes neatly folded right next to him, all super clean. It's cool.

Actually hold that thought, added clause to Plain History allowing writing-related Animated Objects to qualify automatically.

Awesome! The animated object has to deal with lower skill points to invest in knowledge along with a penalty to the primary ability score but it has great flavor all the same.

[DavidWL]

In that specific case, you would need to skip several picks for Clever Construction, as Blind, Constrict, Hard and Instrument are all kinda self-contradictory for a single object. You can't just cherry-pick abilities willy nilly claiming "I'm a sheetlike cordlike musical instrument that happens to be very hard".

If you are a giant implement of war:
Capturing, Hard, Hazardous, War Machine, 3x choices from Custom (6 points) --> Power, Rending, Pinning
+ Clever Construction*2, --> Blind, Instrument

However, I think this is probably ok ... a bit strong, but with the way you've worked the "extra ability" feats, this will be limited, as the top choices are very limited.  Maybe make Instrument an Over-Object ability.

Other Things:

Pure Construction -> Fighter is now pretty cool - I like it.

Ancestral Relic is a cool good pick

Heretic of the Faith or Customize Domain become very interesting feats if you go the caster route ...

I'd say if you have 2 picks from Divine Relic, then Godly Relic should advance both.  It takes a lot of investment to get 2 picks ...

Shrug Off chain --> Pretty cool.  Keeps on going.  Can ignore most effects after 1 round, *3 HP. 

Animation Projection --> Very cool.  Probably only really worth it because you can change your other abilities, but that is pretty cool. 

If going the caster or stealth route ... maybe --> Custom (Miniaturization) & "Elegant" for fine size & bypass growth 6 times.  I think this is cool, but cost is perhaps too cheap to ... maybe make "Elegant" an Over Object pick?  Also make the bardic music an over object pick?

Amusingly, bypassing growth 6 times means +12 to Str ... +21 to Str in 10 levels.  Given the disadvantages of such tiny size, probably ok.  Would probably make a great "other" killer gnome (Confound the Big Folk, Underfoot Combat, Giantbane).  This does make for great DCs, but I wouldn't worry too much.

Best,
David

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You're forgetting that the movement % damage penalties mean you're gaining new movement options. You could be starting with 60 feet flight speed and fine manipulation with simple weapon proficiency meaning you kite 90% of low level encounters with ranged weapons while laughing maniacally.

Not sure how you got that flight speed number.
By default, half of 80-ft (wheeled) land speed is 40-ft.

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Derp me.

Anyway it's still a pretty high flight speed for 1st level.

By pure RAW the crafting rules are pretty stupid and nobody really uses them as they are. Yes, you technically can make any item slotless by paying double. But then you could also make it cheaper than the original by making it race/alignment/something else specific. So the point is to claim I consider it fair to pay double for go over the base slots, but not

I don't see where you got the table information for reducing market price using restrictions. Now I'm curious, where is it?

It's not a table, it's on the other considerations paragraph of the creating magic items section for 3.5. Doesn't work for race actually, but you can make it skill specific for a 10% discount or class/alignment specific for a whooping 30% discount. If you're feeling cheesy you could claim that you can make it class and alignment specific for a 60% discount. But even without that, by RAW you could have a 40% discount on all your magic bling just by making it specific for your own class and skills. "I only paid 2400 GP for this headband of intellect +2 because it only works for wizards with the Concentration skill, totally fair right?".

Would be also rage-inducing if used by the DM : "That enemy's super sword you just looted from its cold corpse only works for chaotic evil characters with ranks on profession(villain), also it's worth only 30% of its regular cost on the market, trollololol".

It's so cheesy that nobody uses it, but it's right there in the core rules.

You're provoking me to make a DMNPC? Challenge accepted. 

Make it your PC. Its not the same when you can't personally tailor your own encounters.

Hmmm, now that you mention it, one thing that crops out here and there in fantasy media is some kind of doll or toy box that can make others smaller. Added Little-Micro-Mass Micro chain of abilities. Ideas for higher tiers in the chain would be welcome.

But there's already a link to the other thread in there...

The link was to disciplines and Moon Vanguard. The direct link to the super upgrades will help those that don't know they can find their details by following other links in Moon Vanguard, which is referred to in a different ability, or somewhere in the board of the disciplines.
Thanks, it also makes it more convenient for those who know where to find them as well.

B-But the link to the super robot upgrades it's always been there am I the only one seeing it?

Anyway unless you show me some hard numbers to prove the option is weaksauce right now, I'm not buffing it for buffing's sake.

Actually, I just checked the numbers and I believe that while on their own as an ability it may not be good enough in a straight comparison of class-granted resources per level, globally with the others it is already probably too strong. Artificial Soul seems to give too much spirit points per pick. The warmachine ability path has maybe too many stances or could be fine on its own without the extra arsenal space, which could be given to the Custom ability path instead (so it would be the same if you pick them both, or weaker if you don't). Especially considering you technically automatically get another 50 arsenal space for arsenal III stuff when you later pick one level of Moonvanguard that simulates Super Robot (which delays your arsenal level progression but you already have a few level IV arsenal option off AO) or more if it emulates Real Robot.

Reduced the number of stances you gain with the Machine chain, spread the extra arsenal space along the custom options, added the X Custom Omega Object, which grants a few more upgrade points along the ability to switch 10 of them as a swift actin (wonder if anyone will get the reference between that and Zero Machine)

Devourer
There wasn't a dimensional lock/anchor effect on grappled opponents then. With a bunch of minor grappling based abilities I thought it'd make a nice grappling-based capstone (though besides Pocket Dimension there aren't other grapple-based abilities beyond OO1 so that's a moot point). It doesn't have to be as is, mostly a suggestion. Perhaps an advanced form of Capture with it as a requirement to be able to use iterative attacks during the ability. I you have Pocket Dimension, you can try to swallow them in on the same round. (1st grapple attack to get a hold and second to swallow instead of pinning)

I'll consider it.

Super Cleaner
Doesn't seem to be a maneuver or special object by that name.

Ahahaha of course there isn't ahahaha moving along now!

Still, looks a lot more versatile now! Comparing it with other special attack effects like Power and Concussive, removing an armor/torso magic item and most other pieces of magic equipment that can be considered to be part of a suit (hat, cloak, boots, etc) rather than only making them inefficient for 1 round (sorta like concussive with dex/dodge bonus to AC) to have to equip is pretty powerful. Not only do they stop doing what they do but they also have to be equipped again, which takes actions. And they don't even need to hit, have them fail a save, fail a disarm check per suit or similar. Also, once removed, is it like a disarmed object (falling adjacent to the disarmed creature or in hand if there is a free hand)?
Maybe the ability could scale, starting with an automatic Disarm attack for one piece of clothe that easy of access (like most cloaks/hats, perhaps with a racial bonus on that special disarm check), then include more secured suit pieces (armor/shirts/pants) and finally one disarm for every piece in a single attempt.
Otherwise the ability is interesting though there is already a pretty good defuffer included in it, so it packs a lot of punch as a single ability.

The ability also feels a bit awkward for a broom-like tool but I can totally imagine a feather duster going through some dude/gal, stripping it somehow and leaving its clothes neatly folded right next to him, all super clean. It's cool.

Ahahaha yes that was also my intention ahahaha next question!

Actually hold that thought, added clause to Plain History allowing writing-related Animated Objects to qualify automatically.

Awesome! The animated object has to deal with lower skill points to invest in knowledge along with a penalty to the primary ability score but it has great flavor all the same.

To make it a bit more viable, added an ACF to the scholar class.

In that specific case, you would need to skip several picks for Clever Construction, as Blind, Constrict, Hard and Instrument are all kinda self-contradictory for a single object. You can't just cherry-pick abilities willy nilly claiming "I'm a sheetlike cordlike musical instrument that happens to be very hard".

If you are a giant implement of war:
Capturing, Hard, Hazardous, War Machine, 3x choices from Custom (6 points) --> Power, Rending, Pinning
+ Clever Construction*2, --> Blind, Instrument

However, I think this is probably ok ... a bit strong, but with the way you've worked the "extra ability" feats, this will be limited, as the top choices are very limited.  Maybe make Instrument an Over-Object ability.

Hmmm, I really wanted to allow to play an animated Music Instrument from the 1st level. Is Bardic Music really that good? The Animated Object won't be gaining anything else at 1st level if they go for that after all.

Other Things:

Pure Construction -> Fighter is now pretty cool - I like it.

Ancestral Relic is a cool good pick

Heretic of the Faith or Customize Domain become very interesting feats if you go the caster route ...

I'd say if you have 2 picks from Divine Relic, then Godly Relic should advance both.  It takes a lot of investment to get 2 picks ...

Yes, but then you're gaining a bunch of at-will spells and you're already a tougher warlock.

Shrug Off chain --> Pretty cool.  Keeps on going.  Can ignore most effects after 1 round, *3 HP. 

Animation Projection --> Very cool.  Probably only really worth it because you can change your other abilities, but that is pretty cool. 

If going the caster or stealth route ... maybe --> Custom (Miniaturization) & "Elegant" for fine size & bypass growth 6 times.  I think this is cool, but cost is perhaps too cheap to ... maybe make "Elegant" an Over Object pick?  Also make the bardic music an over object pick?

You'll get some big numbers in some stuff, but I don't see anything particularly OP about it.

Amusingly, bypassing growth 6 times means +12 to Str ... +21 to Str in 10 levels.  Given the disadvantages of such tiny size, probably ok.  Would probably make a great "other" killer gnome (Confound the Big Folk, Underfoot Combat, Giantbane).  This does make for great DCs, but I wouldn't worry too much.

Best,
David

Yeah, you would have some very nice stats, but not a lot to do with them.

[DavidWL]

PURE CONSTRUCTION -->

Pure Metal items cannot be further enanched or changed by any kind of magic or special crafting methods. They have double the hardness and HP of their normal counterparts and their break DCs are 5 bigger than normal. Anyone equiped with a pure metal item cannot cast spells/powers/SLAs  or similar, neither activate spell-trigger items such as scrolls and wands or similar as dorjes.

Pure Metal weapons automatically deal  damage as if they were one size category bigger and don't automatically miss on a Natural 1, and add your Bab to damage. Armor/shield spikes and similar can't be made into pure metal weapons, as the fact they make part of another object prevents the crafter or wielder from using them to their true potential.

Pure Metal Armors/Shields automatically grant you hardness equal to ½ its AC bonus and half their armor/shield bonus count towards your touch AC, add half your Bab to their respective AC bonus, stacking one suit of armor and one shield.

Does all of that apply?  No magic use (even with relic picks?).  No further enchantment?  What about previous enchantment?  Are continuous enchantments also forbidden?

Double Hardness and HP?  Does this happen after or before the Hardness from the armor/shield is applied?

What is the AC bonus of the armor/shield?  Is this just your NA?

Hmmm, I really wanted to allow to play an animated Music Instrument from the 1st level. Is Bardic Music really that good? The Animated Object won't be gaining anything else at 1st level if they go for that after all.

Then leave Bardic music at 2 - that's fine.

What about updating 1 Over Object --> 2 Objective Object?   I think that is the source of the problem ...

I don't see any real harm in having levels 4/5 give the same # of good things as levels 1/2...

I'd say if you have 2 picks from Divine Relic, then Godly Relic should advance both.  It takes a lot of investment to get 2 picks ...
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Yes, but then you're gaining a bunch of at-will spells and you're already a tougher warlock.

Saying you shouldn't step on the Warlock's toes is almost as bad as saying you shouldn't step on the fighter's toes ...

It is (by far) the worst of the caster's.  Not even tier 3 (and you have to try hard to get a caster to be teir 4!).  And I'd argue that an optimized fighter is (significantly) better than an optimized warlock.  And the Warlock still has tricks that this doesn't (10 on UMD + artificer-like crafting, Eldritch Blast). 

fine size --> You'll get some big numbers in some stuff, but I don't see anything particularly OP about it.

It doesn't come online until 3rd level, because of "Artificial Innocence".  However, at that point you become fine sized, giving +8 to ACH, +8 to attack, +16 to hide (for the cost of 1.5 objective object abilities.  Assuming you are playing a caster or an "other killer gnome", that is pretty strong for a pretty low cost.  That's roughly equal to 16 upgrade points (Targeter *8 + Agility *8).  You are smaller, which is bad, but only bad for some builds...

Regardless, the class is very cool and I don't have a lot of constructive critiquing left.  I'll hopefully post some builds over the next week or so.

Best,
David

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Hmmm, I really wanted to allow to play an animated Music Instrument from the 1st level. Is Bardic Music really that good? The Animated Object won't be gaining anything else at 1st level if they go for that after all.

Then leave Bardic music at 2 - that's fine.

What about updating 1 Over Object --> 2 Objective Object?   I think that is the source of the problem ...

I don't see any real harm in having levels 4/5 give the same # of good things as levels 1/2...

Hmmm, ok, reduced the swap ratio.

I'd say if you have 2 picks from Divine Relic, then Godly Relic should advance both.  It takes a lot of investment to get 2 picks ...
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Yes, but then you're gaining a bunch of at-will spells and you're already a tougher warlock.

Saying you shouldn't step on the Warlock's toes is almost as bad as saying you shouldn't step on the fighter's toes ...

It is (by far) the worst of the caster's.  Not even tier 3 (and you have to try hard to get a caster to be teir 4!).  And I'd argue that an optimized fighter is (significantly) better than an optimized warlock.  And the Warlock still has tricks that this doesn't (10 on UMD + artificer-like crafting, Eldritch Blast). 

Actually, what I meant to say is that the domain AO already looks better than a warlock to me.

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1st level-Religious relic
2nd level-Religious relic
3rd level-no pick
4th level-Sacred Relic
5th level-Sacred relic
6th level-Holy relic
7th level-Holy relic
8th level-Divine Relic
9th level-Divine Relic
10th level-Godly Relic

That'll be two at-will 1st level, two at-will second level spells, two at-will 3rd level spells, two 1/minute 4th level spells, and two 1/hour 5th level.

And you swapped all your growths for +12 Dex to go along your +11 Str (which is the AO's "casting" stat). Actually scratch that, swap your growths for +Str and you'll have some pretty high DCs along extra Natural armor. And you'll have 10d10+30 HP for some 81 HP.

So the warlock may get some extra tricks besides his invocations, but the AO is packing more HP (unless the warlock somehow gets), Initiative, AC, much better DCs, plus construct immunities, and whatever domain special base ability there is. At level 10 they have the same number of at-wills, but the AO has several more 1/minute and 1/hour.

The list of invocations is also a lot more limited than the list of domains. And the Animated Object can also cherry pick any 5th level or lower cleric spell to improvise.

But then there's also the problem that the AO keeps scaling. Take some divine Prc and you eventually have miracle 1/minute along a 8th-5th at will besides the at-wills you had at level 10.You're 1 at-will shy of the warlock, but you also grabbed whatever extra goodies your divine prc granted and 1/minute is still good enough to be dropped basically every battle. If godly relic progressed two domains, you would end with two 9th level spells you can drop every battle with no worries and 16 other at-will spells and personally that's too much at-will for my tastes.

As for who the worst official "caster" class is, truenamer, shadowcaster and healer would like a word with you.

fine size --> You'll get some big numbers in some stuff, but I don't see anything particularly OP about it.

It doesn't come online until 3rd level, because of "Artificial Innocence".  However, at that point you become fine sized, giving +8 to ACH, +8 to attack, +16 to hide (for the cost of 1.5 objective object abilities.  Assuming you are playing a caster or an "other killer gnome", that is pretty strong for a pretty low cost.  That's roughly equal to 16 upgrade points (Targeter *8 + Agility *8).  You are smaller, which is bad, but only bad for some builds...

Well, it may "only" cost 1,5 objective abilities, but that's still enough to delay whatever caster class you wanted to take.

Also notice you need PL 4 to take Miniaturization for the first time, meaning you can't pull it off at 3rd level, and then you'll have to swap abilities at 4th level which in turn will delay being able to pick the feats and make it impossible to pick the last.

Regardless, the class is very cool and I don't have a lot of constructive critiquing left.  I'll hopefully post some builds over the next week or so.

Best,
David

Looking forward to that! Glad this one is turning out popular!

[DavidWL]

War Machine- The Animated Object learns one maneuver and stance from Burning Justice, Gun Maniac, Internet Explorer, Into the Danger Zone or Ace Pilot. It does not need to ready it, instead having 10 energy per Animated Object level and recovering 10% of its max energy per round. Its PL is equal to its Animated Object level. If it multiclasses as Moon Vanguard it can combine its own energy reserve to its nanoarmor and both classes will stack for calculating PL. This stacking applies only to the Moon Vanguard class in specific.

PL also calculates what real robot is available (for example) ... is that intended?

Best
David

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It's not a table, it's on the other considerations paragraph of the creating magic items section for 3.5.

Ah, indeed! I was wondering if the reason it rang a bell was stuff I read back in 2e (Baldur's Gate/Planescape Torment). Turns out I always skipped that part since it was nonsense and it never came up in any game anyway.
I think it can be used by the DM for treasure distribution, still. It gives people more reasons to invest in UMD.
Othewise, I think it should ironically be the opposite; a PC that commissions an item with specific requirements of use should actually pay more for it. Kind of like a minor ID lock on a gun to prevent other people from using his stuff.
Thanks for the pointer!

Hmmm, now that you mention it, one thing that crops out here and there in fantasy media is some kind of doll or toy box that can make others smaller. Added Little-Micro-Mass Micro chain of abilities. Ideas for higher tiers in the chain would be welcome.

Some kind of srink-ray slam? Interesting! As it is now though I wonder if it is meant to be usable as a buff for casters and other party members that benefits from smallish sizes, especially since it can be made permanent and can be applied again and again... which leads to the question of exactly how small can a creature be made to be? If there are rules for becoming larger than colossal, are there similar ones for becoming smaller than fine? Currently there is no cap to how small a creature can get if Fine isn't the smallest by default (weeee~ atomic/subatomic adventure! Trippy).
For potential improved options, maybe some kind of reverse mecha rules, if you will. The micromized creatures are treated as creatures in feet-scale while every feet-scale creature are considered to be in mu-scale towards them (actual mu-scale stuff still being mu-scale to them).
There is also perhaps the possibility of getting some kind of 1-round long polymorph effect that transforms them into objects (doll-version of themselves or similar effect) and later turn into an effect that accompanies the size reduction and require a fullround action to reverse with the risk of permanency.

(wonder if anyone will get the reference between that and Zero Machine)

Totally Megaman X/Zero series.

Super Cleaner
The unanswered questions aside, as is it is actually quite stronger than Cleaner 9000. Maybe swap what they do?

To make it a bit more viable, added an ACF to the scholar class.

That's really neat! It really makes up for it.
(I noticed that one of the images in Scholar seems to be under a lost link. Just above the "Keine Kamishirasawa enters her mythical form." italic quote.)

Neo Objective
Prerequisite: At least four Over Object abilities.

Is it normal or is it meant to require at least four Objective Object abilities / two Over Object abilities?
I'm pointing it out mostly because it otherwise makes the sequence of the minimum level required to unlock each of them a bit odd.

Neo Objective ; min level 6
Neo Over ; min level 7
Neo Optimal ; min level 10

The sequence would be cleaner if Neo Objective required two OO2.
Two OO2 would be min level 5, which would make: 5 - 7 -10. There is also no feat to gain additional Outstanding Object abilities right now.
Although considering feats are mostly acquired only at level 1, 3, 6, 9, 12, ect, the minimum level for each isn't affecting much when you can acquire them anyway.
If Neo Objective required one OO2, it could allow the feat selection at min level 4. (so, level 6)
If Neo Over required one OO3, it could allow the feat selection at min level 6. (so, level 9 unless you find some way to get an extra general feat in there)
If an Outstanding Object feat was made, and required one OO4, it could allow the feat selection at min level 10 (so level 12).
Neo Optimal is minimum level 10 (so either level 12 or level 15 if an OO3 feat is made and Neo Optimal requires it to be picked).

Also, I'll note for people potentially interested in those feats that as is (and most likely as meant), these feats do not allow to get more lesser abilities as the class features permit since it specifies that the selection must be within a specific list. Exchanging an ability for more lesser ones is not an option in any list but a class feature exclusive. Which is quite all right.

Otherwise, I think that's it. Might perhaps imagine and suggest more potential object abilities such as tailoring tools, reflective surfaces like mirrors or other stuff such as siege engines, food, boats and houses.

[oslecamo]

War Machine- The Animated Object learns one maneuver and stance from Burning Justice, Gun Maniac, Internet Explorer, Into the Danger Zone or Ace Pilot. It does not need to ready it, instead having 10 energy per Animated Object level and recovering 10% of its max energy per round. Its PL is equal to its Animated Object level. If it multiclasses as Moon Vanguard it can combine its own energy reserve to its nanoarmor and both classes will stack for calculating PL. This stacking applies only to the Moon Vanguard class in specific.

PL also calculates what real robot is available (for example) ... is that intended?

Best
David

That was a typo in the Moon vanguard, she's not supposed to use pilot level to determine what mechas she has access to, she uses Moon Vanguard level to calculate how much Real Pilot and Super Robot levels she has. Fixed on the Moon Vanguard.

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It's not a table, it's on the other considerations paragraph of the creating magic items section for 3.5.

Ah, indeed! I was wondering if the reason it rang a bell was stuff I read back in 2e (Baldur's Gate/Planescape Torment). Turns out I always skipped that part since it was nonsense and it never came up in any game anyway.
I think it can be used by the DM for treasure distribution, still. It gives people more reasons to invest in UMD.
Othewise, I think it should ironically be the opposite; a PC that commissions an item with specific requirements of use should actually pay more for it. Kind of like a minor ID lock on a gun to prevent other people from using his stuff.
Thanks for the pointer!

To be fair, potions cost twice as scrolls, in return for being easier to use. But then scrolls are super cheesy themselves and you could remove them from the game, leaving potions, wands and staves for spell items, and nothing much of value would've been lost.

Hmmm, now that you mention it, one thing that crops out here and there in fantasy media is some kind of doll or toy box that can make others smaller. Added Little-Micro-Mass Micro chain of abilities. Ideas for higher tiers in the chain would be welcome.

Some kind of srink-ray slam? Interesting! As it is now though I wonder if it is meant to be usable as a buff for casters and other party members that benefits from smallish sizes, especially since it can be made permanent and can be applied again and again... which leads to the question of exactly how small can a creature be made to be? If there are rules for becoming larger than colossal, are there similar ones for becoming smaller than fine? Currently there is no cap to how small a creature can get if Fine isn't the smallest by default (weeee~ atomic/subatomic adventure! Trippy).

Added cap of fine size and the reductions now also reduce movement speed to make it less friendly.

For potential improved options, maybe some kind of reverse mecha rules, if you will. The micromized creatures are treated as creatures in feet-scale while every feet-scale creature are considered to be in mu-scale towards them (actual mu-scale stuff still being mu-scale to them).
There is also perhaps the possibility of getting some kind of 1-round long polymorph effect that transforms them into objects (doll-version of themselves or similar effect) and later turn into an effect that accompanies the size reduction and require a fullround action to reverse with the risk of permanency.

Hmm, interesting ideas there, I'll consider them.

Super Cleaner
The unanswered questions aside, as is it is actually quite stronger than Cleaner 9000. Maybe swap what they do?

There's many, many, many enemies against which Super Cleaner will be completely worthless (aka non-casters non-martials).
Cleaner 9000 will almost always hurt.

To make it a bit more viable, added an ACF to the scholar class.

That's really neat! It really makes up for it.
(I noticed that one of the images in Scholar seems to be under a lost link. Just above the "Keine Kamishirasawa enters her mythical form." italic quote.)

I can see it. Although it's not hosted on photobucket or imgur so I guess it could be unstable, will make a note to upload it somewhere more stable.
 

Neo Objective
Prerequisite: At least four Over Object abilities.

Is it normal or is it meant to require at least four Objective Object abilities / two Over Object abilities?
I'm pointing it out mostly because it otherwise makes the sequence of the minimum level required to unlock each of them a bit odd.

Neo Objective ; min level 6
Neo Over ; min level 7
Neo Optimal ; min level 10

The sequence would be cleaner if Neo Objective required two OO2.
Two OO2 would be min level 5, which would make: 5 - 7 -10. There is also no feat to gain additional Outstanding Object abilities right now.
Although considering feats are mostly acquired only at level 1, 3, 6, 9, 12, ect, the minimum level for each isn't affecting much when you can acquire them anyway.
If Neo Objective required one OO2, it could allow the feat selection at min level 4. (so, level 6)
If Neo Over required one OO3, it could allow the feat selection at min level 6. (so, level 9 unless you find some way to get an extra general feat in there)
If an Outstanding Object feat was made, and required one OO4, it could allow the feat selection at min level 10 (so level 12).
Neo Optimal is minimum level 10 (so either level 12 or level 15 if an OO3 feat is made and Neo Optimal requires it to be picked).

Derp,  completely messed up the prerequisites.

My basic idea was:
Level 3-take feat for two optimal picks.
level 6-take next feat for one over pick.
level 9-take next feat for one optimal pick.
levels 12/15/18-take next feat for one outstanding pick each time.

Also, I'll note for people potentially interested in those feats that as is (and most likely as meant), these feats do not allow to get more lesser abilities as the class features permit since it specifies that the selection must be within a specific list. Exchanging an ability for more lesser ones is not an option in any list but a class feature exclusive. Which is quite all right.

Otherwise, I think that's it. Might perhaps imagine and suggest more potential object abilities such as tailoring tools, reflective surfaces like mirrors or other stuff such as siege engines, food, boats and houses.

A boat would just be an object with swimming and carrier.

Siege engine could just be a refluffled Animated Arsenal picks of your choice and fire away. Although I guess I could try to implement some sort of rules to replicate listed siege engines, probably with a cap based on price and animated object levels. Something like 300 GP per animated object level. Could start as a ballista at 2nd level.

House reminds me that I forgot to add the ability to protect people inside. Will probably make it an upgrade of carrier (it's not like you're big enough to count as an house before that).

Animated food... You do realize that living creatures already are moving meals, right? An human doesn't have any special ability to represent the fact it can provide nourishment to that ogre.