Fun finds thread V3.0

[zook1shoe]

There's a monk style that gives shield proficiency in a dragon mag

[Kerrus]

Which issue? What's the tradeoff?


Anyway, just reading through issue 350. Worghests. For LA+2 they're not bad. They can assume the shape of a wolf, and can qualify for feats that require wildshape. They're pretty cool looking too.

It has some other planetouched LA+1 versions of the core races (elf, dwarf, halfling respectively).


It also has some new soulmelds (and binds) for totemist.


One has a heart bind that turns you into a swarm (subtype).

Alas, it specifies you're a swarm of your size (ie: medium), so you don't gain the total immunity to weapon damage. Still it's pretty cool for a relatively easily accessible method.

[zook1shoe]

I'll find it tomorrow for you

[Kerrus]

Thanks. It sounds pretty neat, given the normal anti-shield-ness of the monk.

[sirpercival]

The City Brawler barbarian is great for getting into Black Blood Cultist.

[McPoyo]

Alright, back to the intent of the thread...

I just found Train Animal; it takes 10 minutes to cast, and teaches an animal that you touch up to 5 tricks of your choice.

The animal knows those tricks for an hour.

Now, here's the thing; while the normal DC for a Handle Animal check "pushing" an animal is 25, telling it to do a trick it knows is only a DC 10.

So if you can quicken this to a really short casting time, and dip 3 levels of Duskblade...

You can punch animals into obedience; not powerful, but boy is it fun.

Though you could, if you really felt like it, cast an Earthbound Train Animal to train basic animals how to attack things. Or whatever.

Dip a level of Commoner for Chicken Infested, and then just chain-spell pucnh cuckoo swarms for your fights...

[ariasderros]

Sword of Celestia (No pony jokes please)
Level: 5th
Replaces: Paladin Special Mount ability.
Benefit: Choose a specific kind of weapon (ie: longsword, longbow, rapier- that sort of thing) a Powerful Good Outsider crafts a weapon of this kind for you.

... You know, with either my or SirP's class fix to Paladin, I would so play that.

My chosen weapon would be a Keyblade.

[Cyclone Joker]

Lol, you never know with him... He's got some strange ideas

Nope. All of my assertions are backed up with fact. You, my friend, are the one with absurd at best ideas. Like thinking Death Delvers and Blood Magi are, in any way, good. Rebuke and crap casting, or loss of, what, five levels, are good in your book? Yeah, my point exactly. They are, in no way possible, anything resembling good. What, next are you going to talk about qualifying for whatchamacallit-theurge-thingy Lyrist with a Ring of Evasion?

First of all, I'm not your friend or 'bro', so don't ever call me that. You use them improperly with people here.

Whoa! Chill out, bro.

As for the rest of it... Obviously, we both were mistaken as to what the other was talking about in post #101. I thought you were talking about alignment, while it seems you're talking about power level.

Pro tip: Good is Good, good is good.

My ideas are just fine and work, except for my thoughts on the type pyramid crap. Which i admit to being wrong about now. At least I have the balls to do so, when I know I wrong. Not just argue with nearly no rules until you're hated just because you don't want to be wrong.

Again, chill out, bro. No, sorry to break it to you, but you really, really aren't. I argue based on pure fact. Not my fault you like to dismiss game rules. It doesn't matter if I have "Nearly no" rules behind it, as you claim totally incorrectly, if my rules are correct. Something you should learn from. Not my fault you're just not very good at this.

On a more on-topic note, a large number of totemist NAs are incompatible with Soul Eater's negative level ability. But, really, the wording of that ability is atrocious enough it doesn't really matter.

And, I assume everyone knows this already, but since I haven't seen it used here, might as well share it; You can take flaws whenever the hell you want, as long as it's during character. Nifty for prereqs and the like, for earlier entry or just earlier access to feats.

Oh, and the Soulknife's Knife to the Soul ability doesn't work. At all. As in, it does nothing.

[ariasderros]

*noise*
Oh, and the Soulknife's Knife to the Soul ability doesn't work. At all. As in, it does nothing.

I'm curious, explain.

Also, the Ancestral Relic feat does nothing as written. Not a damn thing. You still spend all the money, and still have to wait around just as long.

[Cyclone Joker]

*noise*
Oh, and the Soulknife's Knife to the Soul ability doesn't work. At all. As in, it does nothing.

I'm curious, explain.

It doesn't give a target. You deal ability damage to nothing. It's just awfully worded.

[ariasderros]

*noise*
Oh, and the Soulknife's Knife to the Soul ability doesn't work. At all. As in, it does nothing.

I'm curious, explain.

It doesn't give a target. You deal ability damage to nothing. It's just awfully worded.

Ambush feats don't specify a target either, because they augment Sneak Attack.
Knife to the soul states:

when a soulknife executes a psychic strike, he can choose to substitute Intelligence, Wisdom, or Charisma damage (his choice) for extra dice of damage

Thus the target is the person affected is the one hit by your Psychic Strike.

[Cyclone Joker]

*noise*
Oh, and the Soulknife's Knife to the Soul ability doesn't work. At all. As in, it does nothing.

I'm curious, explain.

It doesn't give a target. You deal ability damage to nothing. It's just awfully worded.

Ambush feats don't specify a target either, because they augment Sneak Attack.
Knife to the soul states:

when a soulknife executes a psychic strike, he can choose to substitute Intelligence, Wisdom, or Charisma damage (his choice) for extra dice of damage

Thus the target is the person affected is the one hit by your Psychic Strike.

You missed part:

For each die of extra damage he gives up, he deals 1 point of damage to the ability score he chooses.

Once again, he gives up dice to deal damage to an ability score of an unspecified target. Since there's no target, it can't work. It does not say the Psychic Strike target. By strict RAW, it doesn't work, but, by strict RAW, Improved Precise Shot lets you ignore ALL AC bonuses period, and lets you stack Psionic Lion's Charge, so meh.

[ariasderros]

You missed part:

For each die of extra damage he gives up, he deals 1 point of damage to the ability score he chooses.

Once again, he gives up dice to deal damage to an ability score of an unspecified target. Since there's no target, it can't work. It does not say the Psychic Strike target. By strict RAW, it doesn't work,

Umm..

The soulknife decides which ability score his psychic strike damages and the division of ability damage and extra dice of damage when he imbues his mind blade with the psychic strike energy

Thus, according to RAW, when you do the imbuing, you choose to do 2 dice of damage, and one Charisma damage with the charge you're imbuing, then you hit something. That something is the target of the hit that Psychic Strike is "riding on".

but, by strict RAW, Improved Precise Shot lets you ignore ALL AC bonuses period, and lets you stack Psionic Lion's Charge, so meh.

! Never noticed that before.

[Cyclone Joker]

You missed part:

For each die of extra damage he gives up, he deals 1 point of damage to the ability score he chooses.

Once again, he gives up dice to deal damage to an ability score of an unspecified target. Since there's no target, it can't work. It does not say the Psychic Strike target. By strict RAW, it doesn't work,

Umm..

The soulknife decides which ability score his psychic strike damages and the division of ability damage and extra dice of damage when he imbues his mind blade with the psychic strike energy

Thus, according to RAW, when you do the imbuing, you choose to do 2 dice of damage, and one Charisma damage with the charge you're imbuing, then you hit something. That something is the target of the hit that Psychic Strike is "riding on".

Incorrect. You sacrifice extra damage dice to deal ability damage. It does not specify that it is riding on the Psychic Strike, therefore it isn't, therefore it is doing ability damage to no target. So, you deal ability damage to nothing. So, you deal no ability damage, so Knife to the Soul does nothing.

but, by strict RAW, Improved Precise Shot lets you ignore ALL AC bonuses period, and lets you stack Psionic Lion's Charge, so meh.

! Never noticed that before.

Which one?

[ariasderros]

but, by strict RAW, Improved Precise Shot lets you ignore ALL AC bonuses period, and lets you stack Psionic Lion's Charge, so meh.

I disagree, but I've said all I intend to, so I'm dropping it.

! Never noticed that before.

Which one?

Neither, honestly, but the Imp. Precise Shot is the funnier of the two.

[zook1shoe]

Lol, you never know with him... He's got some strange ideas

Nope. All of my assertions are backed up with fact. You, my friend, are the one with absurd at best ideas. Like thinking Death Delvers and Blood Magi are, in any way, good. Rebuke and crap casting, or loss of, what, five levels, are good in your book? Yeah, my point exactly. They are, in no way possible, anything resembling good. What, next are you going to talk about qualifying for whatchamacallit-theurge-thingy Lyrist with a Ring of Evasion?

First of all, I'm not your friend or 'bro', so don't ever call me that. You use them improperly with people here.

Whoa! Chill out, bro.

As for the rest of it... Obviously, we both were mistaken as to what the other was talking about in post #101. I thought you were talking about alignment, while it seems you're talking about power level.

Pro tip: Good is Good, good is good.

My ideas are just fine and work, except for my thoughts on the type pyramid crap. Which i admit to being wrong about now. At least I have the balls to do so, when I know I wrong. Not just argue with nearly no rules until you're hated just because you don't want to be wrong.

Again, chill out, bro. No, sorry to break it to you, but you really, really aren't. I argue based on pure fact. Not my fault you like to dismiss game rules. It doesn't matter if I have "Nearly no" rules behind it, as you claim totally incorrectly, if my rules are correct. Something you should learn from. Not my fault you're just not very good at this.

i'm going to tell you one more time, please do not call me "bro" or "friend" or anything similar to that.



also i agree that Improved Precise Shot implies cover AC bonuses in the text, since there are varying degees of cover.

as for Knife to the Soul, it affects who or whatever is getting hit by the psychic strike... it says so right in the being as ariasderros quoted, please go back a reread that AND the actual ability.

also i am not going to argue with you on either since you seem to get off on this and i'm starting to feel like you are a troll. goodbye.

[ariasderros]

also i agree that Improved Precise Shot implies cover AC bonuses in the text, since there are varying degees of cover.

Exactly the point of what was stated. Imply.

But what it states is:

Benefit
Your ranged attacks ignore the AC bonus granted to targets by anything less than total cover, and the miss chance granted to targets by anything less than total concealment. Total cover and total concealment provide their normal benefits against your ranged attacks.

Now the "less than" part doesn't say "other than", which wold really make it read only as broken, but even as-is the text can be used as a RAW argument that it does ignore any AC bonus (though not penalties).

This would only fly in the "YBIYBI" sub-forum, but it's still kinda neat.

[Cyclone Joker]

i'm going to tell you one more time, please do not call me "bro" or "friend" or anything similar to that.

Dude, chill out. Seriously.

also i agree that Improved Precise Shot implies cover AC bonuses in the text, since there are varying degees of cover.

Actually, it ignores all AC bonuses, since they are, by definition, less than Total Cover, given that you aren't allowed to make an attack against something with Total Cover.

as for Knife to the Soul, it affects who or whatever is getting hit by the psychic strike... it says so right in the being as ariasderros quoted, please go back a reread that AND the actual ability.

Again, incorrect. It gives a condition to activate the ability, when you make a Psychic Strike. It never states that it affects the target of the Psychic Strike. Try again.

also i am not going to argue with you on either since you seem to get off on this and i'm starting to feel like you are a troll. goodbye.

So then what was this post. Responding to a post, and then claiming the poster is a troll and declaring your intent to stop after the post is pretty much the perfect example of passive-aggressive trolling.

So, I can either assume you are a troll yourself, or you simply feel the need to prove yourself somehow superior to someone who has proven you wrong. Either way, it's funny in a depressing sort of way, so please, carry on.

[ariasderros]

I disagree, but I've said all I intend to, so I'm dropping it.

Again, incorrect. It gives a condition to activate the ability, when you make a Psychic Strike. It never states that it affects the target of the Psychic Strike. Try again.

/sigh.

Here is the point: Go read Psychic Strike.
The target is your own mind blade. < You see that punctuation mark, that's a freaking period.
You coat the blade with extra energy, then, when you hit someone, that energy discharges. Psychic Strike normally just deals extra damage.
Knife to the Soul allows you to change how you charge it so that you can deal a different type of damage. It affects the Psychic Strike ability, which has no target, it is a "charging mah lazorz" ability, and KttS changes what you are charging it to do.

[zook1shoe]

Which issue? What's the tradeoff?

its the Krabi-krabong Monk in #330

its just replacing weapons.... same everything else