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Would you play this?
« on: April 12, 2012, 04:45:16 PM »
People I know are wanting to design their own table top RPG.  They are using D20 Modern as a base.  It is ment to be multi genre.  Some rules are that a person is required to be singled classed, has three "talent" trees to go into but is rewared the most for sticking to one tree.  Classes are based on attributes intelligence, wisdom, etc.  If you select say dex as your class your dex goes up but your con goes down, for balance I guess.  Also everyone in the world is one of the six classes, Everyone.  Saves are the same, Fort, Ref, Will but some stats count twice to a save.

Now as the title said.  Would you play or even buy this?
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Re: Would you play this?
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2012, 04:53:40 PM »
Not really, your elevator speech could use a bit of polish.  :tongue

When you say multi-genre, how many genres are you aiming for? What kind? You mean Fantasy / Sci-fi / Western or Poetry / Novel / (wait no that's not genres)?

What are your selling points/ desired points? Simplicity and elegance? Quick development? Quick gameplay? Balance? Being able to make anything with a concise palette? Free?

Who's your audience? Why do you want to make this game and why do you want to play it?

Needs a bit more, info, focus maybe.  :) Before I could decide if I wanted to play it.
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Re: Would you play this?
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2012, 05:28:15 PM »
This is not me.  In no way would I consider this to buy.

Main selling points is ment to be ease of use for people starting rpgs.  If I remember every tree has like 25 options in it.  I also think it is like four trees and not three.  So someone jumping in has 100 powers to choose from right away based on their class.

Multi genre like all you described.  You should be able to play all the classes in any setting. Audience is ment to be new players.
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Re: Would you play this?
« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2012, 06:12:29 PM »
How are they divided up? You choose a class, then a tree or more, then ... one or more of 25 options? The '25' part might be a little overwhelming for a simple system, but isn't lethal.

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Re: Would you play this?
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2012, 06:21:20 PM »
It is you pick a class then pick a tree then pick a power.  So for example I pick Intelligence, then i pick the Psychic Tree, then I pick Pyschic Toss power.  It is a rank 1 power due to the psychic tree being rank 1, as i put levels into said tree the strength increases of the power.  I can move to another tree but that power would forever be, say, rank 1 if I didn't come back to the first tree.  Oh and since I am Intelligence I lose from my strength attribute.
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Re: Would you play this?
« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2012, 11:22:19 PM »
No, single class only is a dealbreaker.  I'll put up with restrictions like that for something quick and simple like Arkham Horror, but not in a RPG.  It's too much time and effort to learn a new RPG system, to be putting up with nonsense like that.  Worse, it completely shatters my suspension of disbelief for a person to be locked into one path like that, not least because you couldn't make RL me without some heavy multiclassing.
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Re: Would you play this?
« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2012, 12:33:41 AM »
No for me as well, skill trees and single class only is not for me.  I like my games to either have a complex pre-game; MTG, D&D, or no pre-game at all e.g. Grand Theft Auto, Minecraft, Talisman.  That's just my preference.  However, I don't believe that my beliefs reflect the preferences of the masses; otherwise, more games would exist that I really enjoy.
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Re: Would you play this?
« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2012, 06:16:15 AM »
If this was a roleplaying game intended to be played like D&D, over a series of sessions: No.

If this was a tabletop game meant for about 2-4 h of play (similar to Talisman, mentioned above): perhaps.
To have the chose of 6 * 4 * 25 = 600 things at first level seems off though. Or is the 25 alternatives in the skilltrees separated by prerequists (similar to the diablo II system)? The latter would be the wiser, with perhaps 1-2 lvl 1 skills for each tree in my opinion.

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Re: Would you play this?
« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2012, 11:00:09 AM »
@Yirrare  As far as I know there are no prerequists for any of the abilities.  So a new player picks a class, for this example Constitution, then player picks from one of the four trees in the class, example be damage reduction,  then picks one out of the twenty five powers, example thick skin (note I am randomly guessing trees and powers).

If I remember correctly every level you gain like two points in your choosen attribute and lose eiher one or two points in an opposing attribute.  For the constitution example I believe it is dex that is dropped.

Also Con and Str boost the Fort save.  Wis and Int boost Will save.  Cha may also boost Will save or have its own Social save and Ref is boosted by Dex.  Oh and since combat is heavily linked to gaining exp the value is determined by the threat.  So a goblin in a Paladin Tank is given an exp value higher then a normal goblin, which is fine but when you have powers in Intelligence and Wisdon capable to nuking said goblin easily (like magic in D&D) the player gets higher exp by way of threat.

Before I forget, and it may have changed, it somewhat follows 4th edition by way of one gets at will powers, per encounter powers and a daily power.  I believe you can also get more then one daily power at higher levels.  Level cap when I last talked with them was 6.
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Re: Would you play this?
« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2012, 02:14:35 AM »
So a Dexterity guy is losing at least a point on Con every level.  :facepalm And this is still a level 20 system?
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Re: Would you play this?
« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2012, 02:36:06 AM »
Right now they had it at level 6.  Dunno if they would go to 20.  Now the Dex guy could lose Wisdom instead (I am guessing) but all in all yeah.
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Re: Would you play this?
« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2012, 11:06:44 PM »
I think they're re-inventing the wheel.  There are already good gateway games available, and there are already highly flexible multi-genre games. 

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Re: Would you play this?
« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2012, 04:29:23 AM »
@caelic I agree.  Now I may go to a game this coming Friday (27) to see what is what.

@Sky Not on topic but is that Flik from Suikoden as your avatar?  If so sweeeeeeeet  :clap
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Re: Would you play this?
« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2012, 05:28:18 AM »
@caelic I agree.  Now I may go to a game this coming Friday (27) to see what is what.

@Sky Not on topic but is that Flik from Suikoden as your avatar?  If so sweeeeeeeet  :clap


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Re: Would you play this?
« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2012, 01:13:06 PM »
Yay!

Thanks all for responding.  More will be coming when i get info.
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