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Re: Level 1 free-for-all, who is likely to win?
« Reply #60 on: June 22, 2012, 12:44:55 PM »
Only have one day to prepare, Soro :p That's been in the OP all along.
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Re: Level 1 free-for-all, who is likely to win?
« Reply #61 on: June 22, 2012, 02:13:41 PM »
An (Uber)Charger could be successful.
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Re: Level 1 free-for-all, who is likely to win?
« Reply #62 on: June 22, 2012, 03:26:02 PM »
An (Uber)Charger could be successful.
Early on, definitely. When it's down to sanctuary clerics, war trolls, greenbound summons and DFAs that entangle the charger, I'd say he becomes less successful.

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Re: Level 1 free-for-all, who is likely to win?
« Reply #63 on: June 22, 2012, 04:15:34 PM »
Uber charger is worthless in a practical aspect. Simple THF'ing with a Greatsword at 18 Str does 2d6+6 or 13 damage. It's enough to effectively kill all but the Barbarian in one hit (assuming 14+ con). Charging it's self is mostly about the +2 bonus to attack than damage.

It would have it's use against Greenbound. After all, even a Wolf would sport almost 20HP with DR 10 at that point. But focusing on dealing double to triple overkill damage is a waste of resources and on the same token target the Druid and not his ungodly summons.

Come to think of it, all melees are working up hill vs Divines. Take the Wild Proto-Dragonborn template set up I've used else where. No Wisdom penalties but +6 Str, -2 Dex, +4 Con, -4 Int, -6 Cha, +3 Natural AC, Breath weapon(s), +5 to Speed, +2 Spot/Listen, and so on. A Cleric or Druid can pick of this chain of Templates for free and still have +0 LA and still mechanically work like a pure caster (caster feats, 18 casting stat, etc). A Sanctuary Cleric can be all peaceful one moment, and beat your face in with his Morningstar held in two hands the next, he hits and you're probably dead. I mean, you could be a Raging Barbarian with 14+ base Con to a templated monstrosity as well, but it's enough to drop anything that isn't so it's a pretty broad spectrum range of death there.

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Re: Level 1 free-for-all, who is likely to win?
« Reply #64 on: June 22, 2012, 05:06:29 PM »
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Early on, definitely.
It's 1st level.

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Uber charger is worthless in a practical aspect. Simple THF'ing with a Greatsword at 18 Str does 2d6+6 or 13 damage. It's enough to effectively kill all but the Barbarian in one hit (assuming 14+ con). Charging it's self is mostly about the +2 bonus to attack than damage.
Spirit Lion Totem Whirling Frenzy Barb with TWF?
16 Str, 16 Dex, 14 Con, 8 Int, 14 Wis, 8 Cha.
With a longsword and short sword when raging you deal 1d8+5 + 1d6+2 + 1d8+5 = 15-34 damage (24 on average).
If you take Improved Unarmed Strike and use a greatsword and a kick you deal instead 2d6+7 + 1d3+2 + 2d6+7 = 21-43 damage (31 on average).
If you're afraid that not all the attacks will hit, you can drop TWF, take Weapon Focus (greatsword) or something, and you still deal enough damage to drop a raging Barb.
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Re: Level 1 free-for-all, who is likely to win?
« Reply #65 on: June 22, 2012, 05:37:34 PM »
Your problem being that things like the sanctuary cleric stand there and laugh at you.

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Re: Level 1 free-for-all, who is likely to win?
« Reply #66 on: June 22, 2012, 05:59:01 PM »
Well, he won't win by just laughing.
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Re: Level 1 free-for-all, who is likely to win?
« Reply #67 on: June 22, 2012, 06:26:38 PM »
Does he have to? I mean, the Cleric stands in the middle of massive blood shred from everyone thinking they are the BA of BAs. Said TWF Barb is a little occupied with not being killed before his initiative check comes up. While Raged he has 16 HP so maybe he take two hits from an average Fighter type, so if someone he lives and only got hit once, a sling can finish him off.

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Re: Level 1 free-for-all, who is likely to win?
« Reply #68 on: June 22, 2012, 06:36:48 PM »
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Does he have to?
Winning is kinda the point.
How exactly does the Druid sneak up on me in an arena?
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Re: Level 1 free-for-all, who is likely to win?
« Reply #69 on: June 22, 2012, 09:37:51 PM »
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Early on, definitely.
It's 1st level.
Early on in the contest, not in levels. As in, the mentioned barbarian is a good way to weed out competitors like the sanctuary cleric, greenbound summons druid and various mounted people are waiting for.
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Does he have to?
Winning is kinda the point.
How exactly does the Druid sneak up on me in an arena?
By having a much better hide/move silently than your spot/listen. He doesn't need to close to mêlée range, y'know.

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Re: Level 1 free-for-all, who is likely to win?
« Reply #70 on: June 22, 2012, 09:48:09 PM »
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By having a much better hide/move silently than your spot/listen.
And how does he hide without cover or concealment?
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Re: Level 1 free-for-all, who is likely to win?
« Reply #71 on: June 22, 2012, 11:03:27 PM »
Since we have no information on how the arena is built, it does not seem impossible that it would contain cover. I don't see a reason for it to a flat, featureless plain, is what I'm saying.

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Re: Level 1 free-for-all, who is likely to win?
« Reply #72 on: June 22, 2012, 11:08:49 PM »
Since we have no information on how the arena is built, it does not seem impossible that it would contain cover. I don't see a reason for it to a flat, featureless plain, is what I'm saying.

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Re: Level 1 free-for-all, who is likely to win?
« Reply #73 on: June 22, 2012, 11:18:33 PM »
I think you are all getting too complicated.

Sorcerer or wizard Specialist who's maxed out enchantment school with as many charm persons spells as he can muster. Yes, I might roll poorly and die right off the bat. Or, I might get lucky and have two to four stalwart allies. I use them as meat shields and hope that my one remaining charmed minion is weakened enough to to be taken down by a dagger when all others have been vanquished.
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Re: Level 1 free-for-all, who is likely to win?
« Reply #74 on: June 22, 2012, 11:20:34 PM »
I think you are all getting too complicated.

Sorcerer or wizard Specialist who's maxed out enchantment school with as many charm persons spells as he can muster. Yes, I might roll poorly and die right off the bat. Or, I might get lucky and have two to four stalwart allies. I use them as meat shields and hope that my one remaining charmed minion is weakened enough to to be taken down by a dagger when all others have been vanquished.
Close range seems a death sentence against many of the suggested builds here, as they have a significantly greater effective range than that.

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Re: Level 1 free-for-all, who is likely to win?
« Reply #75 on: June 22, 2012, 11:50:09 PM »
I think you are all getting too complicated.

Sorcerer or wizard Specialist who's maxed out enchantment school with as many charm persons spells as he can muster. Yes, I might roll poorly and die right off the bat. Or, I might get lucky and have two to four stalwart allies. I use them as meat shields and hope that my one remaining charmed minion is weakened enough to to be taken down by a dagger when all others have been vanquished.
Close range seems a death sentence against many of the suggested builds here, as they have a significantly greater effective range than that.

Dude. 1st level. Cmon. What's the chance they're gonna hit and kill me round one? There is one of EVERY class out there. This isn't going to be one on one, it's a free-for-all. Me? I'm lucky. Luck beats skill in the short run.
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Re: Level 1 free-for-all, who is likely to win?
« Reply #76 on: June 23, 2012, 12:14:55 AM »
Since we have no information on how the arena is built, it does not seem impossible that it would contain cover. I don't see a reason for it to a flat, featureless plain, is what I'm saying.
Actually, we have.
Imagine we had a gladiator arena
Ever seen Colosseum? It's a flat, featureless plain. And the reasoning for it is simple. Audience.
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Re: Level 1 free-for-all, who is likely to win?
« Reply #77 on: June 23, 2012, 12:40:40 AM »
by colosseum to you mean The Colosseum, its floor was wooden and could be removed to have access to the network of structure below. not to mention they could put non permanent obstacles in very easily.
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Re: Level 1 free-for-all, who is likely to win?
« Reply #78 on: June 23, 2012, 01:14:03 AM »
They didn't fight in those structures below. And Colloseum wasn't only an arena, but also something like a circus/theatre, IIRC, so those obstacles didn't have to be arena combat related.
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Re: Level 1 free-for-all, who is likely to win?
« Reply #79 on: June 23, 2012, 11:33:20 AM »
If you actually mean The Colosseum, I'm gonna take ranks in profession (sailor) and totally dominate the ship to ship combat the Emperor wanted.