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Offline JakobMunk

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Sorcerers and Songsabers
« on: June 19, 2012, 10:42:10 AM »
Hi. Im trying to get a few Bard buffs on my sorcerer list (or actiually, I just want to cast them every day to persist with Incantatrix).
I have my eyes on Sirines Grace, Nixis Grace, and Inner Beauty. I have them now using Minor Schema (Magic of Ebberon pg 122) and UMD, however its very expensive moneywise.
Then i red this article in Dragon Mag 335 pg 75 (songsabers of Waterdeep).

The weapon in question, the Songsaber, has 7 runes. One for each spell 0-6 lvl.

The article basicly says: When a bard wield this weapon, you may permanently exchange a spell on the weapon for a spell on your spell list.

If i UMB a bard able to cast 6th level spell (DC 20+17 i think). Can i then make the exchange, thus gaining bard spells on my sorcerer list?

The price is 12.000 gp A bargain for 7 off-list spells

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Re: Sorcerers and Songsabers
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2012, 07:50:37 PM »
Well I'd certainly allow it. RAW it looks like it would work.
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Re: Sorcerers and Songsabers
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2012, 08:16:35 PM »
Or just take Bard/Sublime Chord.

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Re: Sorcerers and Songsabers
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2012, 08:25:20 PM »
Yeah but that eats up levels. I think the OP wanted a way to not deviate from full sorc casting.
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Re: Sorcerers and Songsabers
« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2012, 12:36:43 AM »
Prestigious Bard costs a CL advancement but gives you access to learn every Bard unique spell.

Runestaffs are official material, have a Bard make one and UMD having it on your spell list to convert any Arcane Spell Slot into the desired spell, you can use Metamagics with it as well (not that it matter's with the incantatrix's ability to append metamagic).

Knowstones (Dragon Mag) operate in the same manner as Runestaffs but cost more.

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Re: Sorcerers and Songsabers
« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2012, 10:48:18 AM »
Cool ideas with Runestaffs and Knowstones. Pricey (the stones anyways).

It was indeed to not loose full sorcerer casting. However, Prestige Bard looks promising. I think though, that 1 level gives me Bard spell list, but not spells known right? So i still need the spells and a way to cast them? If im mistaken on this, please elaborate :D

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Re: Sorcerers and Songsabers
« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2012, 02:00:34 PM »
You still need to learn them, but you can learn them normally like they are just another Sorcerer spell to you.

Unique Spells
The bard, paladin, and ranger spell lists contain a number of spells that don't appear on other classes' spell lists. In general, any character who enters one of these prestige classes should gain access to spells unique to that class's spell list, at the same levels indicated for the standard class. At the game master's discretion, spells unique to that class's spell list found in other books may also be available, but on a case by case basis. The game master may require such spells to be researched or learned specifically by the character, rather than simply making them freely available.

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Re: Sorcerers and Songsabers
« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2012, 02:12:49 PM »
Wait, what exactly does a Songsaber do when a Bard is using it? I'm reading it as, "permanently give up a spell slot of a given level to permanently store a Bard spell in the Songsaber of equal level," but what is the point of all that? Or is it just a Bard-only spellstoring weapon with one slot per spell level (0 - 6)?