Discussion and Suggestion Thread

[DonQuixote]

Bam.  New PDF, chock full of elemental and paraelemental goodness.


Now, I just need to write a new version of the Elemental Perfection feat, and we're golden.  But, for now, I zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


Edit: Though I didn't really fall asleep while typing this, I did fall asleep on my Monster Manual.  I woke up with my face stuck to the Fire Elemental statblocks.

[Nanshork]

Glad to hear things are getting updated so smoothly.   

[Bauglir]

Just to put this out in the open, since somebody mentioned quasielementals, I've got a few more suggestions. Quasiparaelementals, to add negative or positive energy to the paraelementals. Metaelementals, to add alignments as fundamental forces of the universe to elementals. Metaparelementals. Metaquasielementals. Metaquasiparaelementals.

I apologize for nothing.

[DonQuixote]

....I'll get you next time, Bauglir.  Next time.

[radmelon]

Don't forget the necromental template, from Libris Mortis. Fun times. 

[The-Mage-King]

Working on the PrC idea. Not having ideas for flavor abilities- I think most of the power will come from the formulae I'm writing up. I'm thinking "Baleful Translocation" to start...

[phaedrusxy]

Don't forget the necromental template, from Libris Mortis. Fun times. 

And the excremental! Don't forget that lovely gem! 

[DonQuixote]

Don't forget the necromental template, from Libris Mortis. Fun times. 

Actually, the necromental template still works.  Just change the natural armor increase to a +2 profane bonus to AC and remove the "Charisma score changes to 1" bit.  Otherwise, your fluid elementals will be very confused.

And the excremental! Don't forget that lovely gem! 

I'm...going to hope that this isn't what I think it is.

Working on the PrC idea. Not having ideas for flavor abilities- I think most of the power will come from the formulae I'm writing up. I'm thinking "Baleful Translocation" to start...

I look forward to finding out where this is going.

[The-Mage-King]

I look forward to finding out where this is going.

Oh, that's simple. Wherever the hell it wants to. 

[DonQuixote]

Oh God.  You're writing a Carmen Sandiego prestige class.

[The-Mage-King]

Oh God.  You're writing a Carmen Sandiego prestige class.

Nah. Teleportation and dimensional stuff, man. It's what's missing.

[phaedrusxy]

And the excremental! Don't forget that lovely gem! 

I'm...going to hope that this isn't what I think it is.

Oh yes! Found only in the nether regions of the Elemental Plane of Flesh! Just change the type on this. 

[DonQuixote]

Nah. Teleportation and dimensional stuff, man. It's what's missing.

Interesting.  There are technically bits of teleportation and dimensional travel strewn around the place, but nothing focused on it.  Let's see where you go with this one.

Oh yes! Found only in the nether regions of the Elemental Plane of Flesh! Just change the type on this. 

There are not enough ways for me to say no.  I just.  Oh God.

[The-Mage-King]

Nah. Teleportation and dimensional stuff, man. It's what's missing.

Interesting.  There are technically bits of teleportation and dimensional travel strewn around the place, but nothing focused on it.  Let's see where you go with this one.

Yeah. Just working out wording on some formulae right now, since I finished the meat of the class (Read: all but skills/HD/Reqs).




EDIT: What would you consider formulae that are similar to Counters? Minor or Major? Because Minor makes sense, using the Swift for the next round, but....

[DonQuixote]

Thus far, the only formulae that have been immediate actions were minor formulae.  Eternal Moment has a few of those lying around.

[The-Mage-King]

Thus far, the only formulae that have been immediate actions were minor formulae.  Eternal Moment has a few of those lying around.

Good to know.


What's the ruling on the Enhanced Magic planar trait and spellshapes? Do they gain the benefits of the equivilant metashaping feats?

[DonQuixote]

Er...sure?

I mean, given that the spells that are enhanced vary by plane, you'd have to come up with a list of every formula that a given Enhanced Magic plane would modify.  And I must admit very little experience with planar traits.

But, unless someone gives me a reason that this is a horrible idea, I see no reason to rule against it.

[The-Mage-King]

Er...sure?

I mean, given that the spells that are enhanced vary by plane, you'd have to come up with a list of every formula that a given Enhanced Magic plane would modify.  And I must admit very little experience with planar traits.

But, unless someone gives me a reason that this is a horrible idea, I see no reason to rule against it.

*Sigh*


Enhanced magic usually just affects a descriptor of spells. So the Plane of Fire enhances [Fire] spells, the plane of Shadow [Shadow], ect.

A blanket "If a formula is shaped on a plane with the Enhanced Magic trait and has the appropriate descriptor, it gains the benefit of the equivilant Metashaping feat, possibly exceeding the normal limit on the sum of formula level and degrees of metashaping. Furthermore, if a formula is shaped on a plane with the Impeded Magic trait and has the appropriate descriptor, the shaper must succeed on a Spellcraft check, as though it were a spell of the same level."


Simple enough to do.


This is somewhat relevant to what I'm doing. 

[DonQuixote]

Enhanced magic usually just affects a descriptor of spells. So the Plane of Fire enhances [Fire] spells, the plane of Shadow [Shadow], ect.

Ahh, gotcha.  I was working off of the SRD description of the trait, since I don't think I've ever been in a campaign that left the Prime Material.  This makes a lot more sense.

A blanket "If a formula is shaped on a plane with the Enhanced Magic trait and has the appropriate descriptor, it gains the benefit of the equivilant Metashaping feat, possibly exceeding the normal limit on the sum of formula level and degrees of metashaping. Furthermore, if a formula is shaped on a plane with the Impeded Magic trait and has the appropriate descriptor, the shaper must succeed on a Spellcraft check, as though it were a spell of the same level."

Sounds good to me.  I'll note that the clause on Impeded Magic is unnecessary, since the planar traits are listed as affecting "spells and spell-like abilities."  Guess what formulae are?

[The-Mage-King]

Ahh, gotcha.  I was working off of the SRD description of the trait, since I don't think I've ever been in a campaign that left the Prime Material.  This makes a lot more sense.

Yeah, it's something that should be mentioned. I like me some planar manifest zones. 

Sounds good to me.  I'll note that the clause on Impeded Magic is unnecessary, since the planar traits are listed as affecting "spells and spell-like abilities."  Guess what formulae are?

Derp. 

Oh well.