Discussion and Suggestion Thread

[Bauglir]

Regarding the accuracy double-standard - remember that the normal attacks typically have a die size one higher, and ignore SR. They already have advantages to compete with near-automatic hits, even though I agree that they need some sort of to-hit bonus to keep up (since those advantages don't mean anything if you flub the attack roll routinely).

[DonQuixote]

Stride works. Here you go.

I have to call this one out as a beautiful piece of work.  The Translocation Formulae never would have occurred to me, and you pulled the whole thing off gracefully.

Three cheers!

Regarding the accuracy double-standard - remember that the normal attacks typically have a die size one higher, and ignore SR. They already have advantages to compete with near-automatic hits, even though I agree that they need some sort of to-hit bonus to keep up (since those advantages don't mean anything if you flub the attack roll routinely).

To be fair, I think that the "die size one higher" is actually compensating for the "subject to damage reduction" thing.  At least, that's how I thought about it when I wrote them.

[DonQuixote]

Preview time!

I've been toying more with incantations--the out-of-combat powers.  Unlike formulae, with require only somatic components, incantations will require only verbal components.  There will be three incantations per circle--one least incantation, one lesser incantation, and one greater incantation.  Their behavior and use will be codified, as they'll be defined as one of the types of spellshaping powers.

I moved back to feat-based acquisition, as it's just easier to deal with.  This may change by release, but I'm pretty comfortable with it at the moment.  The feat will contain a brief reiteration of how incantations work, just to clarify it, but the incantations themselves will not be described within the feat.  (In the revised PDF, they'll be placed at the beginning of the circle's entry, alongside spellshape attacks and auras.  Incidentally, auras are also going to be renamed to "numena"--singular "numen.")

I have the feat right here.  The name may well change, since it is as stupid as my names usually are.

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Spellshape Incanter
Through your study of magic, you have learned to use the incantations associated with one of the arcane circles.
   Prerequisite: One level in a spellshaper class
   Benefit:  When you take this feat, choose a circle of formulae to which you have access. You gain the ability to use the incantations associated with that circle.  At first, you can only use the circle's least incantation once per day.  If your shaper level is 7th or higher, you can instead use the least incantation three times per day.  If your shaper level is 13th or higher, you can instead use the least incantation at will.
   When you reach shaper level 7th, you gain access to the circle's lesser incantation.  In order to use a lesser incantation, you must have at least 10 ranks in Spellcraft, and you must know at least two formulae from the incantation's circle.  At first, you can only use a lesser incantation once per day.  If your shaper level is 13th or higher, you can instead use the lesser incantation three times per day.
   When you reach shaper level 13th, you gain access to the circle's greater incantation.  In order to use a greater incantation, you must have at least 16 ranks in Spellcraft, and you must know at least four formulae from the incantation's circle.  You can use a greater incantation only once per day.
   Special: You can take this feat more than once.  Each time you take the feat, you gain the ability to use the incantations associated with a different circle of formulae to which you have access.

I also have, for your reviewing pleasure, the first draft of one circle's incantations.  Nobody will be surprised to know that the circle in question is Searing Flame.  As I've said, this is just my first draft--I may well change my mind on things, and I am more than willing to listen to suggestions.  This is more or less just to give you all an idea of what I'm trying to do here.

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Induce Pyre
Searing Flame (Incantation) [Fire]
Level: Least
Shaping Action: 1 standard action
Range: Medium (100 ft. + 10 ft./level)
Target: One nonmagical fire source; see text
Duration: Concentration, up to 1 min./level; see text
Saving Throw: See text
Spell Resistance: No

You magically control the intensity or movements of one fire source.  A nonmagical fire source can be controlled if it is equal to or smaller than the maximum size of fire you can control according to your shaper level, as noted on the accompanying table.  You can freely switch control between fire sources, or change the nature of your control, while you maintain concentration, but only one specified change (lighting a fire, maintaining it, animating it, or altering its size) can be made to one fire source in a round.  When your control over a fire source lapses, that fire immediately returns to its original state (or goes out if it has no fuel or has been moved away from its original location).

   Lighting a Fire: This incantation can be used to make a combustible object burst into nonmagical fire, even if it is damp.  Only unattended objects can be ignited in this way, and you can only ignite a combustible object that weighs no more than 25 pounds per shaper level.  An object lit on fire in this way burns until it is consumed or someone puts out the fire.
   You immediately gain control of a fire that you light in this way, as if you had used the incantation on a preexisting fire.  This incantation can only be used to light a fire once per round.

   Maintaining a Fire: With this incantation, you can artificially keep a fire burning that would normally expire for lack of fuel; even dousing a controlled flame with water does not put it out (though completely submerging the flame would).  Normally, a creature at risk of catching on fire can avoid this fate by making a DC 15 Reflex saving throw, with success indicating that the fire has gone out.  If the fire is one that has been kept burning by the use of this incantation, then the DC of the Reflex save needed to put out the flames increases to 25.

   Animating a Fire: This incantation also enables you to make a fire move as if it were a living creature.  You can animate only a naturally burning fire; if you attempt to animate one that has been increased or decreased in size by your use of this incantation, the fire immediately returns to its original size.  An animated fire moves at a speed of 30 feet.  A fire that moves away from its fuel or its original location dies as soon as your control over it lapses.
   An animated fire can enter any square, even if a creature already occupies it.  If an animated fire enters a square occupied by a creature, that creature can make a Reflex save to get out of the way (DC 11 + the number of dice of damage the fire does + your spellshaping ability modifier).  A successful Reflex save moves the creature to the nearest unoccupied square.  The flames deal the indicated damage to any creature that is either on fire or surrounded by the flames (in the fire's space); see the accompanying table.
   An animated fire sets fire to any combustibles in a space it occupies or passes through.  In addition, at the start of your turn, the animated fire deals damage to any creature in its space, and the creature catches on fire unless it makes a Reflex save (DC as noted above).  A creature on fire takes 1d6 points of fire damage each round.  Additional rounds in the same space as the animated fire occupies mean additional chances of ignition.  It is possible to switch control from the animated fire (causing it to disappear) to intensify flames that are already burning (thus increasing the difficulty of Reflex saves made to extinguish the fire).

   Altering a Fire's Size: With this incantation, you can increase or decrease the size of a fire you control by one step, up to the maximum size of fire you can control according to your shaper level.  You can also choose to reduce a Tiny or smaller fire to nothing, extinguishing it.  You can only alter a fire's size by one step each round.

Shaper Level		Fire Size		Example		Damage per Round		Space
1st-2nd		Fine		Tindertwig		1		1/2 ft.
3rd-4th		Diminutive		Torch		1d3		1 ft.
5th-6th		Tiny		Small campfire		1d6		2-1/2 ft.
7th-8th		Small		Large campfire		2d6		5 ft.
9th-10th		Medium		Forge		3d6		5 ft.
11th-12th		Large		Bonfire		4d6		10 ft.
13th-14th		Huge		Burning shack		5d6		15 ft.
15th-16th		Gargantuan		Burning tavern		6d6		20 ft.
17th or higher		Colossal		Burning inn		7d6		30 ft.

Quench Pyre
Searing Flame (Incantation)
Level: Lesser
Shaping Action: 1 standard action
Range: Medium (100 ft. + 10 ft./level)
Area or Target: One 20-ft. cube/level (S) or one fire-based magic item
Duration: Instantaneous
Saving Throw: None or Will negates (object)
Spell Resistance: No or Yes (object)

This incantation is often used to put out forest fires and other conflagrations.  It extinguishes all nonmagical fires in its area.  The incantation also dispels any fire spells in its area, though you must succeed on a dispel check (1d20 + shaper level) against each spell to dispel it.  The DC to dispel such spells is 11 + the caster level of the fire spell.
   Alternatively, you can target the incantation on a single magic item that creates or controls flame.  The item loses all fire-based magical abilities for 1d4 hours unless it succeeds on a Will save.  (Artifacts are immune to this effect.)




Pyrewalking
Searing Flame (Incantation) [Teleportation]
Level: Greater
Shaping Action: 1 standard action
Range: Unlimited
Target: You and touched objects or other touched willing creatures
Duration: 1 round
Saving Throw: None
Spell Resistance: No

You can enter any normal fire (Medium or larger) and pass any distance to any other fire of Medium or larger size in a single round, regardless of the distance separating the two.  The destination fire need not be in a place familiar to you. If you are uncertain of the location of a particular destination fire, you need merely designate direction and distance and the incantation moves you as close as possible to the desired location. If a particular destination fire is desired but the fire has been extinguished or it is not a viable destination (see below), the incantation fails and you are ejected from the entry fire.
   If a fire's location doesn't offer enough space for you (for example, a fire contained inside a furnace to small to hold you or a fire already occupied by a big cauldron), it is not a viable destination and the incantation will not send you to that location.  If a fire rests on a surface that can't support you, it is still a viable destination and you suffer the appropriate consequences if the incantation transports you to it.  For example, if the closest viable destination fire is burning it a pit full of oil, you fall into the oil when you arrive there.  This incantation provides no protection against fire, so it is advisable to obtain such protection before using the incantation.
   You can bring along objects as long as their weight doesn’t exceed your maximum load. You may also bring one additional willing Medium or smaller creature (carrying gear or objects up to its maximum load) or its equivalent per three shaper levels. Use the following equivalents to determine the maximum number of larger creatures you can bring along: A Large creature counts as two Medium creatures, a Huge creature counts as two Large creatures, and so forth. All creatures to be transported must be in contact with one another, and at least one of those creatures must be in contact with you.
   Fire elementals and other fire creatures are not considered "fires" for the purpose of this incantation, nor are sources of great heat, such as pools of lava.
   The extinguishing of an occupied fire slays you and any creatures you have brought along, and ejects the bodies and all carried objects from the fire.

I haven't yet decided on whether or not to name the individual incantations.  On the one hand, it would be nice.  On the other hand, 48 names.  And you all know by now that I am terrible at names.

Incidentally, I've come up with 37 of the effects.  Eleven more before I can begin writing everything!

[Nanshork]

I like the concept.   

For determining uses per day/ incantation level do you use your shaper level as a whole or shaper level for that specific circle?

[Garryl]

Some names, if you decide you want them.

Feat: Spellshape Incanter
SF Least: Induce Pyre
SF Lesser: Quench Pyre
SF Greater: Pyrewalking

Edit: Shouldn't Learn Incantation have the clause that lets you take it multiple times?
Also, any reason these abilities are on a daily basis, unlike other formulae that are all per encounter?

[DonQuixote]

I like the concept.   

For determining uses per day/ incantation level do you use your shaper level as a whole or shaper level for that specific circle?

I'm not sure on this one yet.  I'd like it to be based off of your shaper level for that particular circle, but that's not actually a defined thing.  It might end up being based on your highest shaper level that derived from a spellshaper class with which you have access to the specific circle.

Some names, if you decide you want them.

Feat: Spellshape Incanter
SF Least: Induce Pyre
SF Lesser: Quench Pyre
SF Greater: Pyrewalking

Definitely the new name for the feat.  I like where you're going with the incantation names, but I'm not entirely sure if I want them to all build on a theme like that.  While it works well for Searing Flame, some of them are less...linear.  Such as Brilliant Dawn and Deteriorating Corrosion.

I'm definitely using the names for now, though.  If I end up being able to run that kind of theme with every circle's incantations, I probably will.  It feels fun.

Edit: Also, since I forgot to include it in the feat the first time I posted it, do note that, yes, you can take the feat multiple times, each time gaining the ability to use the incantations associated with a different circle to which you have access.

[DonQuixote]

I still need to come up with a Least and Lesser for Eternal Moment, a Lesser for Perfect Freeze, a Greater for Screeching Roc, a Lesser and Greater for Shocking Current, and a Greater for Unseen Impetus.  I'm combing everything I can for ideas, so it hopefully won't be much longer until I can write it all up.

In the meantime, previews for the other three elemental circles.  As before, these are not set in stone.  If something's a terrible idea, say so and I will change it.

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Command Air
Blustering Gale (Incantation) [Air]
Level: Least
Shaping Action: 1 standard action
Range: Long (400 ft. + 40 ft./level)
Area: 50-ft.-radius spread
Duration: Concentration, up to 1 min./level
Saving Throw: None
Spell Resistance: No

This incantation gives you some control over wind speed and direction.  The speed of the wind within the area of this incantation can be increased or decreased by up to 10 miles per hour.  For every five shaper levels you possess, you can modify the wind speed by an additional 10 miles per hour, to a maximum change in wind speed of 50 miles per hour.
   This incantation also gives you the ability to alter the direction of the wind by as much as 90 degrees (turning a north wind into an east wind, for instance).
   Powerful enough winds can cause creatures to be blown away, knocked down, or checked; see Table 3-24, page 95 of the Dungeon Master's Guide.
   Unless the DM determines the day to be particularly windy or calm, determine the initial wind speed when you first shape this incantation by rolling 1d20.  The result is the current wind speed in miles per hour.




Air Form
Blustering Gale (Incantation)
Level: Lesser
Shaping Action: 1 standard action
Range: Touch
Target: Willing corporeal creature touched
Duration: 2 min./level (D)
Saving Throw: None
Spell Resistance: No

The subject and all its gear become insubstantial, misty, and translucent.  It gains the fluid subtype (including the malleable form ability) and the gaseous special quality.  The subject's material armor (including natural armor) becomes worthless, though its size, Dexterity, deflection bonuses, and armor bonuses from force effects still apply.  It can't attack, shape formulae, or cast spells with verbal, somatic, material, or focus components while in air form.  The subject also loses supernatural abilities while in air form.  If the subject has a touch spell ready to use, the spell is discharged harmlessly when this incantation takes effect.
   A creature in air form can't run, but it can fly at a speed of 10 feet (maneuverability perfect).  As a fluid creature, it can pass through small holes or narrow openings, even mere cracks, with all it was wearing or holding in its hands, as long as the incantation persists.  The creature is also subject to the effects of wind, and it can't enter water or other liquid.  It also can't manipulate objects or activate items, even those carried along with its gaseous form.  Continuously active items remain active, though in some cases their effects may be moot.




Air Stride
Blustering Gale (Incantation) [Air]
Level: Greater
Shaping Action: 1 standard action
Range: Touch
Targets: You and one touched creature per three levels
Duration: 1 hour/level (D); see text
Saving Throw: None and Will negates (harmless)
Spell Resistance: No and Yes (harmless)

You alter the substance of your body to a cloudlike vapor (as the Air Form incantation) and move through the air, possibly at great speed.  You can take other creatures with you, each of which acts independently.
   Normally, an air strider flies at a speed of 10 feet with perfect maneuverability.  If desired by the subject, a magical wind wafts an air strider along at 600 feet per round (60 mph) with poor maneuverability.  Air striders are not invisible, but rather appear misty and translucent.  If fully clothed in white, they are 80% likely to be mistaken for clouds, fog, vapors, or the like.
   An air strider can regain its physical form as desired and later resume the cloud form.  Each change to and from vaporous form takes 5 rounds, which counts toward the duration of the incantation (as does any time spent in physical form).  As noted above, you can dismiss the incantation, and you can even dismiss it for individual air striders and not others.
   For the last minute of the incantation's duration, an air strider in cloud form automatically descends 60 feet per round (for a total of 600 feet), though it may descend faster if it wishes.  This descent serves as a warning that the incantation is about to end.

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Will of Stone
Crushing Stone (Incantation) [Earth]
Level: Least
Shaping Action: 1 standard action
Range: Touch
Target: Stone or stone object touched, up to 10 cu. ft. + 10 cu. ft./level
Duration: Instantaneous
Saving Throw: None
Spell Resistance: No

You can form an existing piece of stone into any shape that suits your purpose.  While it's possible to make crude coffers, doors, and so forth with this incantation, fine detail isn't possible.




Speech of Stone
Crushing Stone (Incantation)
Level: Lesser
Shaping Action: 1 minute
Range: Personal
Target: You
Duration: 1 min./level

You gain the ability to speak with stones, which relate to you who or what has touched them as well as revealing what is covered or concealed behind or under them.  The stones relate complete descriptions if asked.  A stone's perspective, perception, and knowledge may prevent the stone from providing the details you are looking for.
   You can speak with natural or worked stone.




Whispers of Stone
Crushing Stone (Incantation)
Level: Greater
Shaping Action: 10 minutes
Range: Unlimited
Target: One creature or object
Duration: Instantaneous
Saving Throw: No
Spell Resistance: None

This incantation allows you to ask the world itself about the location of a creature or object.  Nothing short of a mind blank spell or the direct intervention of a deity keeps you from learning the exact location of a single individual or object.  Whispers of Stone circumvents normal means of protection from scrying or location.  The incantation reveals the name of the creature or object's location (place, name, business name, building name, or the like), community, county (or similar political division), country, continent, and the plane of existence where the target lies.
   To find a creature with this incantation, you must have seen the creature or have some item that once belonged to it.  To find an object, you must have touched it at least once.

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Wave Step
Roaring Tide (Incantation) [Water]
Level: Least
Shaping Action: 1 standard action
Range: Touch
Targets: One creature touched/level
Duration: 10 min./level (D)
Saving Throw: Will negates (harmless)
Spell Resistance: Yes (harmless)

The subject creatures can tread on any liquid as if it were firm ground.  Mud, oil, snow, quicksand, running water, ice, and even lava can be traversed easily, since the subjects' feet hover an inch or two above the surface.  (Creatures crossing molten lava still take damage from the heat because they are near it.)  The subjects can walk, run, charge, or otherwise move across the surface as if it were normal ground.
   If this incantation is shaped underwater (or while the subjects are partially or wholly submerged in whatever liquid they are in), the subjects are borne toward the surface at 60 feet per round until they can stand on it.




Wave Shape
Roaring Tide (Incantation) [Water]
Level: Lesser
Shaping Action: 1 standard action
Range: See text
Area/Target: See text
Duration: 10 min./level (D)
Saving Throw: None; see text
Spell Resistance: No

Depending on the version that you choose to shape, this incantation raises water, lowers water, or propels a wave across a body of water.

   Lower Water: This causes water or similar liquid to reduce its depth by as much as 2 feet per shaper level (to a minimum depth of 1 inch).  The water is lowered within a squarish depression whose sides are up to shaper level x 10 feet long.  In extremely large and deep bodies of water, such as a deep ocean, the incantation creates a whirlpool that sweeps ships and similar craft downward, putting them at risk and rendering them unable to leave by normal movement for the duration of the incantation.
   This version of this incantation has a range of Long (400 ft. + 40 ft./level) and affects water in a volume of 10 ft./level by 10 ft./level by 2 ft./level.  This area is shapeable.  In addition, you may reduce one horizontal dimension by half and double the other horizontal dimension.

   Raise Water: This causes water or similar liquid to rise in height, just as the lower water version causes it to lower.  Boats raised in this way slide down the sides of the hump that the incantation creates.  If the area affected by the incantation includes riverbanks, a beach, or other land nearby, the water can spill over onto dry land.
   This version of this incantation has a range of Long (400 ft. + 40 ft./level) and affects water in a volume of 10 ft./level by 10 ft./level by 2 ft./level.  This area is shapeable.  In addition, you may reduce one horizontal dimension by half and double the other horizontal dimension.

   Propel Wave: This causes water to lift a creature or object and propel it forward.  An object so lifted can contain creatures or other objects.  The maximum size of the creature or object the wave can lift depends on your shaper level.

Shaper Level		Size of Creature or Object
7th		Large
9th		Huge
11th		Gargantuan
13th		Colossal

   This version of this incantation moves the lifted creature or object in a straight line at a speed of 60 feet over water.  The incantation dissipates when the wave contacts land, lowering its burden harmlessly to shore.  If you are riding in or standing on the object, the object continues to move until you are no longer in or on the object or the incantation is dismissed; otherwise, the object is moved to the extent of the incantation's range when you shape the incantation.
   This version of the incantation has a range of Close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels) and affects waves under a creature or object within range.  An unwilling creature or object that would be carried off by this version of the incantation can attempt a Reflex save to avoid the wave.




Wave Sight
Roaring Tide (Incantation)
Level: Greater
Shaping Action: 1 standard action
Range: See text
Effect: Magical sensor
Duration: 1 hour/level
Saving Throw: Will negates
Spell Resistance: Yes

You can see and hear some creature, which may be at any distance.  If the subject succeeds on a Will save, the scrying attempt simply fails.  The difficulty of the save depends on how well you know the subject and what sort of physical connection (if any) you have to that creature.  Furthermore, if the subject is on another plane, it gets a +5 bonus to its Will save.

Knowledge		Will Save Modifier
None1		+10
Secondhand (you have heard of the subject)		+5
Firsthand (you have met the subject)		+0
Familiar (you know the subject well)		-5

^1.  You must have some sort of connection to a creature you have no knowledge of.

Connection		Will Save Modifier
Likeness or picture		-2
Possession or garment		-4
Body part, lock of hair, bit of nail, etc.		-10

   If the save fails, you can see and hear the subject and the subject's immediate surroundings (approximately 10 feet in all directions of the subject).  If the subject moves, the sensor follows at a speed of up to 150 feet.
   As with a divination (scrying) spell, the sensor has your full visual acuity, including any magical effects.  In addition, spells and effects like detect chaos, detect evil, detect good, detect law, detect magic, message, read magic, and tongues function reliably through the sensor.
   If the save succeeds, you can't attempt to scry on that subject again for at least 24 hours.
   In order to use this incantation, you must have access to a natural pool of water, which functions as a focus component.

[Hanako Tachibana]

Did you intend for the Least Blustering Gale incantation to be called "Induce Pyre?"

[DonQuixote]

....my shame is eternal.  Fixed.

[Nanshork]

Body of Stone just feels meh to me.

[DonQuixote]

Yeah, I wasn't too happy with it, either.  The problem is that, in order to avoid the same sort of slump that I hit with the Aspected Meditant, I'm trying to keep everyone in the loop about what's going on.  The Aspected Meditant slump hit me hard precisely because I was trying to come up with 48 effects without any feedback or suggestions.

However, my writing process normally goes a little something like this:

• Come up with all the ideas.  All of them.
• Review all the ideas at once, replacing ones that are stupid.
• Write up all the ideas at once.
• Review all the ideas at once, replacing ones that are stupid.
• Post!

I'm inserting the information feed between steps 1 and 2, which means I don't get to the "remove stupid ideas."  In the normal run of things, I won't remove a bad idea until I've come up with at least one idea for every "slot"--just to have things filling space.

It's a bad habit, and one that really doesn't lend itself to this sort of open writing process.  I'll work on being better about it.

(Incidentally, Body of Stone has been replaced by Whispers of Stone.)

[Garryl]

Looks good. Crushing Stone's divinatory qualities aren't what you'd expect from the circle of rock, but it works quite well.

If the subject moves, the snesor follows at a speed of up to 150 feet.

Small typo in Wave Sight.

Don't incantations need effective spell or formula levels?

[DonQuixote]

Looks good. Crushing Stone's divinatory qualities aren't what you'd expect from the circle of rock, but it works quite well.

[overdramatic fluff]The land is old, Garryl.  It is older than you can know.  It has seen much, and heard more.  Who are you to question its wisdom?[/overdramatic fluff]

If the subject moves, the snesor follows at a speed of up to 150 feet.

Small typo in Wave Sight.

Like this!  You question the truth of the ancient snesor?  The snesor has been snesing sneses since before you were snesed!

Fixed.

Don't incantations need effective spell or formula levels?

My current plan is to have their effective spell levels be equal to 1/2 your shaper level (maximum 9).  This was going to be defined in their rules description...

...which I haven't written yet...

...so, yeah.

[Nanshork]

Don't get me wrong, I love the fact that you're keeping us in the loop.  I wasn't complaining, just giving non-helpful feedback.

I'm not sure how I feel about Crushing Stone being all divinationy.  It isn't a bad way to go, it just probably has something to do with me being all meh about divination.  I was hoping for gaining the Solid type and smashing things I guess.   


The fixed percentage on Will of Stone feels kind of arbitrary.  Especially when I can this happening when you can use it at-will:
1. Try to make a door
2. Fail percentage chance, door won't move
3. Try to make a door that moves.
etc....

[DonQuixote]

Don't get me wrong, I love the fact that you're keeping us in the loop.  I wasn't complaining, just giving non-helpful feedback.

And I appreciate it!  I just tend to overexplain myself so that people understand where I'm coming from.

I'm not sure how I feel about Crushing Stone being all divinationy.  It isn't a bad way to go, it just probably has something to do with me being all meh about divination.  I was hoping for gaining the Solid type and smashing things I guess.   

Well, the incantations are aimed at being non-combat things.  Solid subtype really only has benefits in terms of combat, and smashing stuff wouldn't really be a very interesting high-level effect.

Divination actually fits very well of my conception of earth, since I tend to view earth as being based in brute force and wisdom.  Air is based in speed and freedom, fire is based in passion and impulse, and water is based in penetration and secrecy.  These may or may not be influenced by my experience with Magic: the Gathering.

Granted, I'm just throwing in what seems like it can fit.  Feel free to suggest away!

The fixed percentage on Will of Stone feels kind of arbitrary.  Especially when I can this happening when you can use it at-will:
1. Try to make a door
2. Fail percentage chance, door won't move
3. Try to make a door that moves.
etc....

I'm...unsure of where I stand on this one.  While you could totally keep trying to make the door work, that would take time--and time is a resource.

[Nanshork]

The fluff of Earth = Divination completely makes sense.  I just personally don't use divination.  Since you're not making this little sub-system specifically for the single character I've made using your homebrew, don't worry about it too much.     

For the chance to fail, perhaps one that scales?  So we'd have 30% (or whatever) when you get it.  Then when you get the Lesser ability reduce it to 15%, and when you get the Greater reduce it to 0%.  I don't see much of a balance problem at being able to make moving items out of stone without a chance for failure at 13th level.

Edit: In fact, that leads me to a new question.  At 13th level you could manipulate 130 cubic feet.  Could you make a tunnel?  A room with a door and stone furniture built into the ground? Could you surround yourself (or someone else) with solid stone?

[DonQuixote]

Eh, I decided to just go with removing the failure chance.  Mainly because it feels wrong for you to be less likely to fail when you have more uses per day.

Edit: Funny thing about 130 cubic feet.  That's only slightly over five feet on each side.

[Nanshork]

Edit: Funny thing about 130 cubic feet.  That's only slightly over five feet on each side.

That doesn't matter when you can do it at will. 

Just replace "someone else" with "dwarves" and my questions still stand.   

[DonQuixote]

I suppose that, with enough time, you could technically build a fortress.

...have I made a terrible mistake?  I mean, it does take until 13th level for it to be at-will...and, even then, that's six seconds per 5-foot-cube of fortress....and given that ice castle is a 7th level spell...

[Nanshork]

I suppose that, with enough time, you could technically build a fortress.

...have I made a terrible mistake?  I mean, it does take until 13th level for it to be at-will...and, even then, that's six seconds per 5-foot-cube of fortress....and given that ice castle is a 7th level spell...

I have no idea if it is overpowered, I just want you to see the possible implications.