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Re: Fun Finds v4.0
« Reply #940 on: September 24, 2013, 03:15:03 PM »
Anyone remember where the quiver with infinite arrows is? There's one in the Dragon Compendium, but I could have sworn Wizards made one... perhaps on a web enhancement?

it was on a web enhancement, which i believe they took down. 

it's in my archive, and here is a copy for you:

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there is also the quiver of plenty, from dragon mag and probably the one mentioned in the dragon compendium.

you could also create a magic item with the call bolt power or equivalent spell.
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Re: Fun Finds v4.0
« Reply #941 on: September 24, 2013, 03:28:16 PM »
Anyone remember where the quiver with infinite arrows is? There's one in the Dragon Compendium, but I could have sworn Wizards made one... perhaps on a web enhancement?

it was on a web enhancement, which i believe they took down. 

it's in my archive, and here is a copy for you:

(click to show/hide)


there is also the quiver of plenty, from dragon mag and probably the one mentioned in the dragon compendium.

you could also create a magic item with the call bolt power or equivalent spell.
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Re: Fun Finds v4.0
« Reply #942 on: September 25, 2013, 11:55:10 PM »
From the Dragonborn racial traits:
Quote from: RotD pg 8
Humanoid (dragonblood): Dragonborn are humanoids
with the dragonblood subtype and any other subtypes
they had before undergoing the Rite of Rebirth. For
all effects related to race, a dragonborn is considered a
dragon
and a member of her original race.

...A dragonborn is considered a dragon.  Was this ever errata'd?
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Re: Fun Finds v4.0
« Reply #943 on: September 26, 2013, 01:31:49 AM »
That's what the Dragonblood subtype does.  Makes you a dragon for specific purposes.

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Re: Fun Finds v4.0
« Reply #944 on: September 26, 2013, 02:52:34 AM »
No, the Dragonblood subtype means "spells, effects, powers, and abilities that affect or target dragons" also affect you, and you can use items normally only usable by dragons.  Dragonborn says you count as a dragon for all effects related to race - a Dragonborn qualifies for Dragon-only prestige classes and feats, whereas the Dragonblood subtype alone wouldn't let you.
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Re: Fun Finds v4.0
« Reply #945 on: September 26, 2013, 09:01:52 AM »
No, the Dragonblood subtype means "spells, effects, powers, and abilities that affect or target dragons" also affect you, and you can use items normally only usable by dragons.  Dragonborn says you count as a dragon for all effects related to race - a Dragonborn qualifies for Dragon-only prestige classes and feats, whereas the Dragonblood subtype alone wouldn't let you.
It also means that a dragonborn can use Alter Self to turn into dragons, or creatures with his original type. :P
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Re: Fun Finds v4.0
« Reply #946 on: September 26, 2013, 11:05:55 AM »
"For all effects related to race, a dragonborn is considered a dragon and a member of her original race."
Has dick to do with your Creature Type.

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Re: Fun Finds v4.0
« Reply #947 on: September 26, 2013, 07:40:53 PM »
I still think it would get you into prestige classes that require your race be a Dragon, though. Most of the Dragon PrC's in Draconomicon can be entered, assuming the Dragonborn meets the other prerequisites (Disciple of Ashardalon and Unholy Ravager of Tiamat are out due to other parts of the Dragonborn template, Dragon Ascendant is out because they aren't True dragons).

A Dragonborn Duskblade or Hexblade 20 with the Heart aspect, 3 Metabreath feats, and a Mantle of the Firey Soul spell cast upon them can qualify for Elemental Master, for example.  Sacred Warder of Bahumat could conceivably be started pre-epic, even.

Hmm, now I want to see if you can get all of Hidecarved Dragon in pre-epic.  Assuming a Dragonborn can get 20 natural armor by level 8 at the latest, I think you can.
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Re: Fun Finds v4.0
« Reply #948 on: September 26, 2013, 11:09:55 PM »
Tauric Cave Anky can get nearly all the natural armor needed
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Re: Fun Finds v4.0
« Reply #949 on: September 26, 2013, 11:38:05 PM »
Where is the Cave Anlyosaurus from?

Also the image of a tauric dragonborn is hilarious.
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Re: Fun Finds v4.0
« Reply #950 on: September 26, 2013, 11:50:05 PM »
Tauric Cave Anky can get nearly all the natural armor needed
Hmm.  Tauric plus cave Anky means 8HD, +2 LA, but that LA could be bought off.  Possible Mutations could make things interesting too (with no increase in HD or LA).  3 Improved Natural Armor feats are doable, and the Iron Will for Hidecarved can be bought.

Impressive.  A Dragon PrC completed by ECL 20.

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Re: Fun Finds v4.0
« Reply #951 on: September 27, 2013, 12:02:12 AM »
I still think it would get you into prestige classes that require your race be a Dragon, though.
Intent wise, I'd agree with you there.

However, my point was Race has nothing to do with Type. Dragonborn cannot turn into another Dragon using Alter Self (which is based on type, not race). On the same token Dragonborn cannot take stuff like Awakened Frightful Presence because it also checks Type.

Now the Dragon PrCs however explicitly check your Race and in the header does mention Lesser Dragons taking levels in them. So while dubbing Prerequisites are effects is certainly out in my book, I'm still inclined to think that on an intent level a Dragonborn should be allowed to take those PrCs. And I do value intent over silly raw...

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Re: Fun Finds v4.0
« Reply #952 on: September 27, 2013, 05:28:07 AM »
I still think it would get you into prestige classes that require your race be a Dragon, though. Most of the Dragon PrC's in Draconomicon can be entered, assuming the Dragonborn meets the other prerequisites (Disciple of Ashardalon and Unholy Ravager of Tiamat are out due to other parts of the Dragonborn template, Dragon Ascendant is out because they aren't True dragons).

A Dragonborn Duskblade or Hexblade 20 with the Heart aspect, 3 Metabreath feats, and a Mantle of the Firey Soul spell cast upon them can qualify for Elemental Master, for example.  Sacred Warder of Bahumat could conceivably be started pre-epic, even.

Hmm, now I want to see if you can get all of Hidecarved Dragon in pre-epic.  Assuming a Dragonborn can get 20 natural armor by level 8 at the latest, I think you can.
I did that years ago on 339 with Dragonwrought Kobold, not that anyone noticed.  But like all attempts at the time it used the ultra cheesy White Dragonspawn at LA 1, bought off.

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Re: Fun Finds v4.0
« Reply #953 on: September 27, 2013, 10:50:50 AM »
Enforcer (LN Paladin Variant, Dragon Magazine, #310) gets Leadership as a bonus feat... at 5th level.

Also, a +1 to their leadership score.

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Re: Fun Finds v4.0
« Reply #954 on: September 27, 2013, 11:03:16 AM »
Enforcer (LN Paladin Variant, Dragon Magazine, #310) gets Leadership as a bonus feat... at 5th level.

Also, a +1 to their leadership score.

The LE Despot (Dragon 312) also gets Leadership at 5th with a +1.

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Re: Fun Finds v4.0
« Reply #955 on: September 27, 2013, 12:21:06 PM »
I've always liked those issues, plus #300
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Re: Fun Finds v4.0
« Reply #956 on: September 27, 2013, 02:13:30 PM »
Tauric Cave Anky can get nearly all the natural armor needed
Hmm.  Tauric plus cave Anky means 8HD, +2 LA, but that LA could be bought off.  Possible Mutations could make things interesting too (with no increase in HD or LA).  3 Improved Natural Armor feats are doable, and the Iron Will for Hidecarved can be bought.
I was under the impression that Dragonborn wiped out your natural armor though.  It takes away all of your pre-existing racial characteristics, including bonus feats and skill points, so I'd presume natural armor (and natural weapons) go as well.

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Re: Fun Finds v4.0
« Reply #957 on: September 27, 2013, 03:36:10 PM »
What is it about Horses, that they don't like LN or LE Paladins?
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Re: Fun Finds v4.0
« Reply #958 on: September 27, 2013, 04:21:19 PM »
What is it about Horses, that they don't like LN or LE Paladins?
Discipline without compassion = they beat their animals to make them obey.  ;)
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Re: Fun Finds v4.0
« Reply #959 on: September 27, 2013, 09:53:49 PM »
What is it about Horses, that they don't like LN or LE Paladins?
Discipline without compassion = they beat their animals to make them obey.  ;)

Reminds me of the half-orc druid sub level where you can use str instead of cha for wild empathy.