You clearly have less than no idea what conversations are actually occurring, so this will be my last attempt to explain to you what people are actually saying, and then I'll let you rail against your delusions as much as you want.
really? because you are contridicting yourself and your own posts over an over again. you are so simple minded to think that you can say one thing then act like you didn't because someone calls you out on it. so here we go!
for a challange. break the game right now. how high can you get the untyped bonus?
+23 or +26 depending on how you want to interpret bloodline levels. Level is important. But yes, in before you claim that because you can spend 30k on an item that adds +30 that this isn't broken, even though this stacks with that item because you don't understand the concept of an RNG.
You mean random number generation? a total of +26 TO ANY ABILITY isn't breaking the RNG. You are still rolling to try to hide, or percive, or be diplomatic. The bonus each level max is 2,4,6,8... A +2 per level is exactly what the bards bardic knowledge give. and guess what there is a feat for that. So no it doesn't "BREAK RNG." AND IN ANY CASE In situations where the DC is set you can normally get skills high enough to break it. And if the DC is due to an opposed roll then the DM should find ways to raise the opposing check. it's like a game of chess. you have to make moves based off your opponent. not claim your opponents move is unfair and bitch about it for an hour on a online board.
2) No. You're mistaken on your own words. I said it was overpowered. you called it broken which it is not.
No you idiot. I called it Overpowered or variations thereof 14 hundred times, and I've said broken twice in this thread, once about the Gate spell and once as a sarcastic mockery of the position taken by another poster, and never about the stupid feat.
NO. you called it directly broken. convenient that you left out the quote that I grabbed from your exact words. please stop being so ignorant. A quote you said while talking about item familiar.
If your DM plans to dickride you in a really dumb way to compensate for the fact that a feat is broken he could also dickride you by deciding that your Cohort betrays you and attacks you every combat.
1) Stop saying RNG breaking as if it's important. Should we ban bards because they give bonuses to skill checks? should we ban items that give these bonuses? NO! Getting better skill checks is part of the game.
Again, learn the concept of the RNG, getting better at skills is fine and dandy, but breaking the RNG on important skills prevents the game from even being played.
Again you fail to see the point in the comment because you are to busy being a fuckboy trying to get one over on me. Like I said before. It doesn't break the RNG. It doesn't even come close to breaking the RNG. it distorts the RNG sure. But no it dose not. nor will it ever. break the random number generation simply because you still have to role. you still have to do the check. there is still a chance the other person could get a higher number.
And good for you for seeing that you can decrease crafting time before crafting. so why did you waste your bonuses on crafting exactly? Also the base item has to be magical. So if you do want to enchant it more on your own it will cost you double the money.
Uh... What the fuck even are you talking about. No one is using any bonuses on crafting. You can use the feat to add any magic effect you want onto your item familiar at half cost, because it says that specifically in the description. Even applying the 1.5 cost adjustment for second effect (not double, because you still don't know the rules) which you can avoid for like 95% of the things you will want to add to the item, you still are paying less money than WBL requires, since you spend .75, and you can easily give it spells to cast, and a saving throw bonus, and a couple stat bonuses without having to pay that 1.5 adjustment.
OMFG NO YOU DON'T IT DOESN'T CUT THE PRICE IN HALF.
An item familiar can be improved as other magic items can be. By spending gold pieces (and time and experience points, assuming the character is the one doing the work), a character can add new abilities to his item familiar. If a character links himself to a +1 longsword, for example, it only costs 6,000 gp (or 3,000 gp and 240 XP) to add another +1 of enhancement bonus or, perhaps, a special ability that is equivalent to a +1 bonus (such as spell storing or flaming). The character can accomplish this even without having the requisite item creation feats.
This type of improvement has nothing to do with the master’s character level, though it may affect the item’s eventual Ego score.
This is basic math. a +1 bonuse is 1
2*2000 a +2 bonus is 2
2*2000 OR 2000 and 8000 for a diference of 6000 so when they say you can upgrade it. they don't say it's half price. they are saying it's fucking normal price but you can add it.
THIS WAS THE BASE TO YOUR WHOLE FUCKING ARGUMENT!? You said the DM could do whatever he wants like shot you in the head in response to someone telling you not to clone your fucking character.
Once again (or still) you have no idea what is going on. 1) No one every claimed that anyone was going to clone any character. 2) That wasn't my argument, that was the argument of the person who I was arguing with. The argument was that the DM will just decide that you aren't allowed to retire your character, or that if you do, you start at level 1. That was the argument. My argument, unsurprisingly, was that if someone is that dumb, you should just not play D&D with them.
1)YES you did claim that you were just going to make another character with item familiar. which is saying fuck you for killing my guy DM i'm just gonna take the same shit I did last time to spite you.
2) And I stand behind any DM that you try to pull that clone shit on to make your character level 1. cool good to see you have made it to this point in the conversation.
Hey stupid mc jackass you're the one who made the argument in the first place. don't try to turn it around. Once again it comedown to the fact that it's slightly better than some other feets. So what? we should punish people for thinking and finding something strong? WTF kind of thinking is that? why not reward them for finding this.
1) You don't reward them for finding it because it is a dumb feat that distorts them game in unfun ways. Just like you don't reward someone for googling "Best Wizard PrC" and showing up with an Incantatrix or Spelldancer who persists all spells.
2) I didn't make that stupid argument, someone else did, and then I called them stupid. I said that the very idea of punishing people for taking the feat by forcing them to play a shit character afterwords is unworkable garbage that no one can do, and then someone responded telling me that DMs can totally even punish you harder, and I, again, called that stupid. Because it is stupid.
1) No your right. But that dosn't mean people just look up "item familiar" They would have to do searching first to even get the name befor they find were it is or how it's broken. the reason you can search "best wizard 3.5" Is because those are all terms that someone who dosn't know D&D well would search. would a new comer looking around really look for "item familiar" NO! Even if they looked up "best item in D&D" They would probably find a lot of boards talking about shuriken and invocation candles.
2)THE ARGUMENT HAS NEVER BEEN ABOUT TAKING THE FEAT! IT WAS ABOUT TAKING THE SAME FEAT WITH A NEW CHARACTER BECAUSE YOUR DM KILLED OFF YOUR CHARACTER OVER THAT FEAT!
If you keep attributing this idea that I want to punish players for taking item familiar to me, the person who's entire argument is that you can just get around the punishment for item familiar, then you are fucking dumb.
But saying that the feat is broken doesn't do anything accept get DM's who don't understand it to ban it from there game. And by banning it from peoples games you are punishing them for finding something good or strong.
Holy shit. I have never met a more... scumbag of a person. never in my life have a seen someone who is as self centered as you. To attack two or more people because they don't have the same opinion as you. your view this whole time has been KNEEL TO MY POWER.
Says the person who's explicit point was that players should kneel and suck his mighty DM dick and be grateful for the privileged of tonguing his balls while he recites his novel.
LOL What? Yes I love when words are shoved down my throat like that analogy. No I said that it is the DM's story to tell. That doesn't mean for a second that the players don't also have a role in shaping it.
OK LOOK The DM writes the story. you find fun and interesting ways through the story. If you are going to bitch and make it so everyone else has a worse time because you don't want to lose you precious OP character than your ass is out. This is a game that is meant to be fun for all NOT JUST FUN FOR YOU.
You are (still) an idiot. I specifically said "No one should be able to take Item Familiar, because of the way the game works, you can't punish someone later into sucking in return for them being better than everyone now." That is literally the exact opposite in every possible way of demanding that I be unable to lose my OP character. The entire point that you are still missing is that when one person has item familiar, they get to have fun at the expense of everyone else, and then when they lose the item familiar, they play a different character, because you can't make them suffer as punishment.
The entire point you are missing is that item familiar doesn't make the game any less fun for anyone else. your stealth monkey is still going to be a stealth monkey. your mage is still going to be a mage.
ALSO no the entire reason this whole argument started was from your quote. "Oh woe is me. My character died. Time to create a new character... With Item Familiar that he never lost!~" To which I said that I would just kick you out of my game if you did that shit.
what makes me evil? what makes me a cancer on this world?
The part where you demanded that all players gratefully wallow in shit while you read your novel and tell them how the story is actually played, and that if you decide that one of them is going to suffer and suck, they just have to show up every week and not enjoy themselves for hours at a time and be grateful for the priledge of listening to your masterpiece novel about how their character is humiliated and then brutally murdered.
Holy shit all the words being shoved in my mouth are great. NO! What I said is that the game is the DM's Story to tell. in no way does that mean that the pc's are not influential in the ways to get from point a to point b. that just means they don't control who the BBEG is or where they wake up at the beginning. The DM creates a story/world and the pc's discover it and shape it from there.
So firstly you need to read what you said before you continue because obviously your lost. and secondly you need to stop putting words in others mouths and assuming other peoples beliefs and ideas and thoughts for them.
