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Re: The Politics Thread v2
« Reply #420 on: November 19, 2015, 04:35:12 PM »

Not wanting to live as a thief, which is what you are if you are if you coerce "special privileges" and handouts from other people, is not self-loathing. It is self-respect.
Why do you have so much loathing for minorities that you believe they are incapable of improving themselves without special privileges?

Minorites have never asked for special privileges, they've asked for equal ones.  Yet you lump all members of any minorities into the same group and label them criminals.  Congratulations on labeling all your relatives thieves. A nahr bleibt a nahr

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However, it seems you missed the memo. As  "Jew", I am not a minority. I am just another kind of white, European, patriarchal, oppressor. My minority status, and any "special privileges" thereby, were revoked long ago, and I'm suited for nothing but being a target of violence.
  If you're a target for violence by the majority then you still qualify a minority.  The racists don't consider you white, and even if ne of them could be somehow compelled to say so, they'd still blather some nonsense about your death being necessary in revenge for Christs murder.  Minority status is not only racial.

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Which is completely contradicted by the vote tallies.

Calling bullshit unless you have proof.

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The people of Fergsuon elected the people who hired that police force.
Why did they elect such racist representatives?
  Why did the people of Kentucky, who are now dependent on Medicaid vote in an anti-Medicaid governor?  People vote against their own self interests all the time.  The stock market players all regularly vote Republican, yet it's shown they earn far more money under Democratic presidents.  All you need to do is make the election about something else, such as appealing to bigotry.  Convince someone that a certain group of people are somehow lesser than you, and he will willingly cede authority to you to join in their persecution.


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They police have made no thing clear.
The racket is run by the elected government, which is the group that sets the fines and makes the budget, not the police. If there is a problem with funding the community by fines on the poorest people, then it is the fault of the elected government, and ultimately the fault of the electorate, not of the police who are merely doing the job they are hired to do.

Obviously you havent been watching the news.  :p  Who enforces said racket if not the police?  They are required for it's enforcement, and they benefit from it.  They have the option of not participating and turning in said corrupt politicians, yet they participate with vicious glee.

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Actually, you've moved beyond trolling into outright hypocrisy.

No, I'm just openly telling you what I'm doing, yet somehow managing to get you to participate in it anyway.  :D

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You mean I was taking you at your direct meaning and holding you to the same standards you are demanding of me.
Yes, I know that upsets you, and yes, that amuses me greatly.
  Upset presumes emotion.  Trolls do not argue fights with emotional investments or they are bad trolls. 

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Well, you clearly recognize how much you loath minorities and thus loath yourself for it.

How am I a minority?  I'm a cat.  You humans shelter and feed us willingly, and all we have to do is purr occasionally.  Our species is incapable of self-loathing.  After all, you treat us like Gods.


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I didn't say Phelps was a Marxist.
I said his virulent homophobia based on corrupt evangelism is fully compatible with the Marxism of the Democrats, who ultimately despise sexual divergence to the same degree.
  And yet their the only party publicly and willingly to treat gays as human beings.

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But special privileges are. You want to keep playing with the terms until you can find a way to redefine language to make special privileges into equal privileges, and you are upset that I object.
  I'm not upset that you object, if I object to anything it's that you so willingly define yourself as kosher beheyme.

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And you are definitely baffled. The political and economic principles I espouse fully accept that there is room for everyone to get stuff without taking away from anyone else.
It is the Marxism and Marxist derived ideology that you promote that insists there are finite benefits, and that for one group to have gotten so much they must have done it by taking from another group and the only way to redress that is to take away from the group that benefited and give to the group that was stolen from.

Again, false presumption on your part.  I promote no ideology, I play Devil's advocate because you're so blindly devoted to yours that you can't see how it's warped you.  For example your calling Marxist anyone who disagrees with you is obvious hyperbole.  It's like the inevitable nazi comparisons that are ineptly brought into televised political soundbites.  The easiest way to get a blind man to see is by holding a mirror up to his face.  If he's an asshole, be the same kind of asshole back to him until he realizes you've been parodying him the entire time.

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Bullshit right back at you. I've said nothing of the sort. You are projecting your own disdain for such groups onto me and I reject it utterly.
Nor has your effort been admirable as trolling, it has only been hypocrisy and projection because you've wallowed in your racism for so long you are simply shocked to have someone call you on it.

Oh but you have my dear cow.  Your rejections are meaningless, unless you decide to edit your posts elsewhere to cover for yourself.  As for my trolling it has been remarkably successful.  You're still replying and participating, which is the trolls only goal.  I told you the easiest way to beat one was to ignore him remember?  But you still feel compelled to reply.  The way you'll always feel compelled to reply because you have an emotional or ideological investment in the argument.  You will accuse your opponent of hypocrisy and wallowing in filth while you voluntarily do the same to prove your internet dick is bigger than his.  Let go of your emotion little cow.  It does you no good.


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One of the keys to a successful lie is telling one that cannot be rebutted so completely by recent posts and events.
  So you take Mr. Wolfe out of context and then quote a tabloid newspaper known for "possibly" fabricating it's stories to support your own delusions?  That doesn't make them any less delusionary.

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Calling you on being a hypocrite is not trolling. I know you have an extreme emotional investment in trying to establish that but it simply doesn't make it true.
As for the rest, yet again, you are wrong. You are projecting your own failures onto me because your ego is so great you cannot conceive that anyone is not as hypocritical and bigoted as you, and thus you assume they must act from the same low motives that you do.

Oh but is very much is.  Screaming hypocrite or racist is a common troll tactic, much like the Alinskyites you "disdain" so much.  I am neither hypocrite nor bigot, but I will be willing to appear so if it's necessary to keep you replying.  Remember, as a troll my only motive is to keep you participating.

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There are fewer Catholics than Protestants in the U.S., making Catholics a minority. And one that has historically suffered a great deal of discrimination.
Your ignorance has betrayed your bigotry.
  They are the largest christian denomination in 33 states, Yes historically they were hated, but they've long since become mainstream and quite popular.


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Once again you are projecting.
I very much believe what I'm saying. Any flippancy is merely a result of me giving into schadenfreude at exposing people wallowing in bigotry and hypocrisy, like you.
Similarly, making others look small is something bullies like you are into, not me.
  I only bully other bullies  :p  I am quite kind to non bullies. Especially the ones who make offers of tinned salmon.

Again, I eagerly look forward to your predictably inevitable participation.

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Re: The Politics Thread v2
« Reply #421 on: November 19, 2015, 08:09:20 PM »
@Raineh Daze: please rename this thread "The Samwise & Bhu, Punch & Judy Show."

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Re: The Politics Thread v2
« Reply #422 on: November 19, 2015, 08:14:27 PM »
@Raineh Daze: please rename this thread "The Samwise & Bhu, Punch & Judy Show."

Sadly impossible. Plus, it would be nice to have the thread go back to what it was like.

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Re: The Politics Thread v2
« Reply #423 on: November 19, 2015, 08:14:47 PM »
@Raineh Daze: please rename this thread "The Samwise & Bhu, Punch & Judy Show."

Mudada.

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Re: The Politics Thread v2
« Reply #424 on: November 19, 2015, 09:37:07 PM »
And they are starting to win a little more.

As it has been pointed out a number of times, one of the reasons groups like ISIS do the things they do is to get things like this to happen.  They want this reaction, that they can point to and say "look, brothers, they cast you out, we accept you.  Join us"
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Re: The Politics Thread v2
« Reply #425 on: November 19, 2015, 11:14:21 PM »
And they are starting to win a little more.

As it has been pointed out a number of times, one of the reasons groups like ISIS do the things they do is to get things like this to happen.  They want this reaction, that they can point to and say "look, brothers, they cast you out, we accept you.  Join us"

Which is ironic in that ISIS has been killing far more Muslims and Middle Easterners than Western soldiers overall.  And they're not well-liked in Iran (ISIS hates Shi'a, which is what Iran is mostly), or in Saudi Arabia for bombing mosques there during the holy month of Ramadan.  So already they've got two of the most powerful nations in the region angry at them in addition to Russia and the West.

But yeah, this is playing right into their hands, sadly.
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Re: The Politics Thread v2
« Reply #426 on: November 20, 2015, 01:34:59 AM »
@Raineh Daze: please rename this thread "The Samwise & Bhu, Punch & Judy Show."

Worry not, no argument lasts forever.

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Re: The Politics Thread v2
« Reply #427 on: November 20, 2015, 01:36:17 AM »
Minorites have never asked for special privileges, they've asked for equal ones.  Yet you lump all members of any minorities into the same group and label them criminals.  Congratulations on labeling all your relatives thieves. A nahr bleibt a nahr

My relatives never asked for special privileges, or took them, so I'm not labeling them anything.
And more than a few individuals and associations of minority groups have asked for special privileges, well above any equal rights.

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If you're a target for violence by the majority then you still qualify a minority.  The racists don't consider you white, and even if ne of them could be somehow compelled to say so, they'd still blather some nonsense about your death being necessary in revenge for Christs murder.  Minority status is not only racial.

Well . . . I'm a target for violence from the people who claim to be the 99%, so . . .

And yes, I know minority status is not only racial, and the details that go with the rest of what you said here.

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Calling bullshit unless you have proof.

IF, a district is 90+% minority,
AND, if the district returns 100%,
THEN, clearly the turnout of the minorities determined the election.
You can dig up the links for that yourself.

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Why did the people of Kentucky, who are now dependent on Medicaid vote in an anti-Medicaid governor?

Who says they are "dependent" on it?

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People vote against their own self interests all the time.  The stock market players all regularly vote Republican, yet it's shown they earn far more money under Democratic presidents.

Actually, Wall Street, like Hollywood, and academia, is pretty reliably Democratic.

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All you need to do is make the election about something else, such as appealing to bigotry.  Convince someone that a certain group of people are somehow lesser than you, and he will willingly cede authority to you to join in their persecution.

You mean the way Democrats convince people that "conservatives" are inherently evil?
Yes, I know this.

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Obviously you havent been watching the news.  :p  Who enforces said racket if not the police?  They are required for it's enforcement, and they benefit from it.  They have the option of not participating and turning in said corrupt politicians, yet they participate with vicious glee.

I've watched the news.
And the town council meetings.
You are conflating multiple things here:
1. The politicians being morally corrupt does not make the laws and regulations they pass involving "Broken Windows" tactics or manorial financing inherently morally corrupt, and definitely not illegal.
2. Enforcing said laws is required for the police to keep their jobs. While it might be more moral for them to quit in protest, again that doesn't make it inherently immoral or illegal for them to do their jobs.
3. Not every policeman directly benefits, beyond keeping his job, from issuing fines and such.
I know such fine distinctions are irrelevant to good agitprop, but you cannot get that lazy.

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No, I'm just openly telling you what I'm doing, yet somehow managing to get you to participate in it anyway.  :D

Yet another element of my background you're unaware of: I've been trolled on politics by someone outrageously better than you and survived.
This leads you to assume I'm not deriving any entertainment value from this.

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Upset presumes emotion.  Trolls do not argue fights with emotional investments or they are bad trolls.

You don't have to confess you are a bad troll - I already knew that.

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How am I a minority?  I'm a cat.  You humans shelter and feed us willingly, and all we have to do is purr occasionally.  Our species is incapable of self-loathing.  After all, you treat us like Gods.

No, I treat cats as an excuse to mock cat-haters.
But that's another story.

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And yet their the only party publicly and willingly to treat gays as human beings.

No they aren't. Democrats are more than willing to exploit gays, but deep down they don't consider them human beings at all.

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I'm not upset that you object, if I object to anything it's that you so willingly define yourself as kosher beheyme.

But I don't define myself as kosher, so clearly you are objecting to your own projection.
I can't help you with that.

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Again, false presumption on your part.  I promote no ideology, I play Devil's advocate because you're so blindly devoted to yours that you can't see how it's warped you.

Nice pretense, but you know deep down you love yourself some Vladimir Ilyich.

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Oh but you have my dear cow.  Your rejections are meaningless, unless you decide to edit your posts elsewhere to cover for yourself.

More projections. You really need to do something about that.

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So you take Mr. Wolfe out of context and then quote a tabloid newspaper known for "possibly" fabricating it's stories to support your own delusions?  That doesn't make them any less delusionary.

Screaming "out of context" or "unreliable source" is a common Marxist tactic, so we see how much your denial of that was worth.

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Oh but is very much is.  Screaming hypocrite or racist is a common troll tactic,

Which is why you do it so much.

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They are the largest christian denomination in 33 states, Yes historically they were hated, but they've long since become mainstream and quite popular.

But as you said, if you're a target for violence by a majority, you're still a minority.
Hoist by your own petard.

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I only bully other bullies  :p  I am quite kind to non bullies. Especially the ones who make offers of tinned salmon.

I am sure you tell yourself that to make yourself feel good.
(And satisfy your gluttony.)

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Again, I eagerly look forward to your predictably inevitable participation.

A masochistic troll.
How . . . droll.

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Re: The Politics Thread v2
« Reply #429 on: November 20, 2015, 02:10:28 AM »
My relatives never asked for special privileges, or took them, so I'm not labeling them anything.
And more than a few individuals and associations of minority groups have asked for special privileges, well above any equal rights.

And yet you never seem to detail what these special privileges are or who explicitly has asked for them :)


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IF, a district is 90+% minority,
AND, if the district returns 100%,
THEN, clearly the turnout of the minorities determined the election.
You can dig up the links for that yourself.
  No district returns 100%.  Even the highest turnout districts are generally 60% or less (usually less) of the eligible population.


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Actually, Wall Street, like Hollywood, and academia, is pretty reliably Democratic.
  I'd actually say Wall street is fairly apolitical.  Their main interest is money, and they vote for whoever they think will allow them to bend the rules the most to make them the most money.  They aren't loyal to any ideology other than money.

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You mean the way Democrats convince people that "conservatives" are inherently evil?
Yes, I know this.
  I was actually referring to the current 'make america white again' campaign.


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I've watched the news.
And the town council meetings.
You are conflating multiple things here:
1. The politicians being morally corrupt does not make the laws and regulations they pass involving "Broken Windows" tactics or manorial financing inherently morally corrupt, and definitely not illegal.
2. Enforcing said laws is required for the police to keep their jobs. While it might be more moral for them to quit in protest, again that doesn't make it inherently immoral or illegal for them to do their jobs.
3. Not every policeman directly benefits, beyond keeping his job, from issuing fines and such.
I know such fine distinctions are irrelevant to good agitprop, but you cannot get that lazy.

Thou art fibbing my little cow.  http://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/opa/press-releases/attachments/2015/03/04/ferguson_police_department_report.pdf


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Yet another element of my background you're unaware of: I've been trolled on politics by someone outrageously better than you and survived.
This leads you to assume I'm not deriving any entertainment value from this.
If I'm worse than him you'd have common snese enough to not feed me by replying.  Omnomnomnom


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You don't have to confess you are a bad troll - I already knew that.
  If I'm a bad troll why are you replying?  Only successful trolls get replies.


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No they aren't. Democrats are more than willing to exploit gays, but deep down they don't consider them human beings at all.
  They need their votes regardless.  And the votes of the people who are beginning to realize they aren't the monsters evangelicals and republicans have portrayed them as.  Conservatives on the other hand need the votes of people who still want them demonized or killed.

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But I don't define myself as kosher, so clearly you are objecting to your own projection.
I can't help you with that.
  Then you are unaware of the phrases meaning or pretend not to be.

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Nice pretense, but you know deep down you love yourself some Vladimir Ilyich.
  I prefer Carlin.

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Screaming "out of context" or "unreliable source" is a common Marxist tactic, so we see how much your denial of that was worth.
  It's only screaming if it's in all caps  :p 

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Which is why you do it so much.
  At no point have I called you a hypocrite.  A spineless, delusional asshole, and a fool yes.  A cow easily led to slaughter, a racist, and fraud certainly.  I believe at one point I have even quietly suggested you fuck pigeons, but at no point have I ever called you a hypocrite.

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But as you said, if you're a target for violence by a majority, you're still a minority.
Hoist by your own petard.
  They aren't targets anymore.  Went mainstream remember? The only christian denomination still seeing violence are maybe some of the splintered off mormon groups and the westboro baptists.  And lets be honest, the Westboro guys kind of invite people to commit violence upon them.

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I am sure you tell yourself that to make yourself feel good.
  You are the only person here I have ever treated this way.  Ask around.

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A masochistic troll.
How . . . droll.

By nature all trolls must be willing to accept some discomfort to pursue their goal of getting you to reply.  See you at your next reply  :smirk

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Re: The Politics Thread v2
« Reply #430 on: November 20, 2015, 12:25:22 PM »
You're a minority yourself, why so much self-loathing?

Not wanting to live as a thief, which is what you are if you are if you coerce "special privileges" and handouts from other people, is not self-loathing. It is self-respect.

So you acknowledge that government and taxation are theft then? :eh

And Trump specifically calls for one of the major lead ups to the Holocaust, but for Muslims.

I know anarchists aren't supposed to advocate violence, but how the hell has no one thrown a shoe at this douchebag yet?
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Re: The Politics Thread v2
« Reply #431 on: November 20, 2015, 02:38:29 PM »
I know anarchists aren't supposed to advocate violence, but how the hell has no one thrown a shoe at this douchebag yet?

Depends on the anarchist faction and how they interpret Propaganda of the Deed.

But yeah, shit like this really, really makes me not want a Trump Presidency, even if the Supreme Court is there to reign him in a bit.  Still enough to do lots of damage.

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Re: The Politics Thread v2
« Reply #432 on: November 20, 2015, 04:12:19 PM »
I know anarchists aren't supposed to advocate violence, but how the hell has no one thrown a shoe at this douchebag yet?

Depends on the anarchist faction and how they interpret Propaganda of the Deed.

This again.

Really it depends on what you consider "self defense" since that's the only kind of violence that kinda-sorta might not violate the NAP. Though you have to squint a bit to parse "initiating violence" as meaning "being the first to use violence in a conflict" rather than "initiating a violent act."

An anarchist should not be advocating violence the same way a Christian shouldn't be advocating murder--on account of that whole "thou shalt not kill" thing. Do people call themselves Anarchists/Christians/Muslims/etc while acting in ways which violate the basic principles of those philosophies? Yes.

But let's not pretend that makes such actions a valid component of the philosophy.

A group which advocates the initiation of force goes against one of the central tenets of Anarchy, and cannot rightly be called an "Anarchist faction" any more than a hamburger with an all-beef patty can be called a "vegetarian meal."

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But yeah, shit like this really, really makes me not want a Trump Presidency, even if the Supreme Court is there to reign him in a bit.  Still enough to do lots of damage.

That he shouldn't be president is a foregone conclusion. That he's even tolerated as a candidate is disturbing as fuck. Really shows just how sick our political system--and a decent chunk of the public--has become that a guy like this can get as much support and legitimacy as he has.
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Re: The Politics Thread v2
« Reply #433 on: November 20, 2015, 04:49:29 PM »
I'd be willing to consider throwing a shoe at someone as an extreme expression of displeasure and insult rather than a violent act. Provided the shoe isn't some sort of hobnailed boot. :D

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Re: The Politics Thread v2
« Reply #434 on: November 20, 2015, 04:57:00 PM »
I'd be willing to consider throwing a shoe at someone as an extreme expression of displeasure and insult rather than a violent act. Provided the shoe isn't some sort of hobnailed boot. :D

I don't think I could bring myself to feel sorry for him if it WAS something hobnailed...like a nail bat?

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Re: The Politics Thread v2
« Reply #435 on: November 20, 2015, 05:09:42 PM »


This again.

Really it depends on what you consider "self defense" since that's the only kind of violence that kinda-sorta might not violate the NAP. Though you have to squint a bit to parse "initiating violence" as meaning "being the first to use violence in a conflict" rather than "initiating a violent act."

An anarchist should not be advocating violence the same way a Christian shouldn't be advocating murder--on account of that whole "thou shalt not kill" thing. Do people call themselves Anarchists/Christians/Muslims/etc while acting in ways which violate the basic principles of those philosophies? Yes.

Actually the Non-Agression Principle is chiefly a tenet of anarcho-capitalism, which is not well-liked or popular in most anarchist circles due to its belief that unregulated corporations can still be a societal good.  Many traditional anarchists view the NAP as something which favors the powerful in that most of the world's land and resources are controlled by governments and corporations who can use economic leverage to prevent the disruption of the status quo.  Historically many anarchists were okay with violent revolution even if many actions of the State weren't overtly violent.  Mass incarceration, debtor's prisons, and unsafe working conditions might not be "violent" in ways many people think but they do contribute to a cycle of misery.  And a lot of dictatorships might be overall stable but rather use the threat of force to keep people in line.

So no, many anarchists can still be consistently anarchists with throwing the first punch or even resorting to murder, providing that the person they're punching is an oppressor in some way, shape, or form.  This goes more into the nitty-gritty of things, on what constitutes "oppression" or when it's right to initiate violence when simple protests and societal scrutiny on government and corporate excesses are no longer feasible.  And when the initiator of violence becomes an oppressor is something many anarchists still argue about to this day.

There's a wide cultural gap between the US-style capitalist faction such as Mises and sorts who interprets anarchism as "anti-government," versus the older European anarchists who are "anti-government, anti-hierarchy, and anti-capitalist."  To the latter, an Ayn Rand society of unregulated big business with economic inequality would be just as tyrannical as a Stalinist State.
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Re: The Politics Thread v2
« Reply #436 on: November 21, 2015, 05:14:32 PM »
Actually the Non-Agression Principle is chiefly a tenet of anarcho-capitalism, which is not well-liked or popular in most anarchist circles due to its belief that unregulated corporations can still be a societal good.  Many traditional anarchists view the NAP as something which favors the powerful in that most of the world's land and resources are controlled by governments and corporations who can use economic leverage to prevent the disruption of the status quo.  Historically many anarchists were okay with violent revolution even if many actions of the State weren't overtly violent.  Mass incarceration, debtor's prisons, and unsafe working conditions might not be "violent" in ways many people think but they do contribute to a cycle of misery.  And a lot of dictatorships might be overall stable but rather use the threat of force to keep people in line.

So no, many anarchists can still be consistently anarchists with throwing the first punch or even resorting to murder, providing that the person they're punching is an oppressor in some way, shape, or form.  This goes more into the nitty-gritty of things, on what constitutes "oppression" or when it's right to initiate violence when simple protests and societal scrutiny on government and corporate excesses are no longer feasible.  And when the initiator of violence becomes an oppressor is something many anarchists still argue about to this day.

There's a wide cultural gap between the US-style capitalist faction such as Mises and sorts who interprets anarchism as "anti-government," versus the older European anarchists who are "anti-government, anti-hierarchy, and anti-capitalist."  To the latter, an Ayn Rand society of unregulated big business with economic inequality would be just as tyrannical as a Stalinist State.

Okay, I've gone over all of this elsewhere, so I'll try to be succinct. Apologies if I come off a little terse as a result:

"Anarchy," by definition, is anti-hierarchy. Government is a form of hierarchal power structure. So is capitalism. Violence attempts to establish or maintain a hierarchy. All three of these are fundamentally inconsistent with anarchism.

An anarchist is someone who follows the principles of anarchism--not just someone who uses the label. Anyone who claims to be an "anarcho-capitalist" is using at least one of those terms incorrectly. Likewise, you cannot be an anarchist while supporting violent coercion. The two philosophies are incompatible. It is possible for an anarchist to abandon their philosophy in favor of violent coercion, but you can't follow both ideals at the same time.

As for the NAP, it is an expression of a core anarchist principle--that violence and aggression are always illegitimate. Combined with the concept of the state monopoly on violence, it helps illustrate why anarchists view all forms of external government as illegitimate and violent. It also illustrates why the NAP does not support the property claims of governments and corporations: As hierarchal institutions their power is invariably based on aggression, therefore nothing obtained through that power can be considered a legitimate possession. So no, the NAP absolutely does not favor the powerful or the status quo. It paints them as violent thieves.

"Anarchy" and "Anarchist" are technical terms related to the field of political science with very clear definitions, as is the NAP. Like many technical terms, they tend to get misused alot, but large-scale misuse does not change their meaning any more than calling myself an arthropod makes me a hard-shelled invertebrate. Nor does widespread debate alter a word's meaning unless the official definition is changed.

You are right that many things which are not commonly considered "violence" contribute to the harm and oppression caused by the state. The issue there is that the common conception of violence is much more limited than the actual definition of the term. These things are absolutely violent, we're just taught not to think of them that way.

And kudos on catching the flaw in all that the Randian/Anarcho-Capitalist bs. Too many people these days seem to mistake plutocratic tyranny for freedom.
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« Reply #437 on: November 21, 2015, 05:36:50 PM »
Please excuse me whilst I find the sheer amount of irony in the above post hilarious.

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« Reply #438 on: November 22, 2015, 01:44:49 AM »
Please excuse me whilst I find the sheer amount of irony in the above post hilarious.

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« Reply #439 on: November 22, 2015, 06:15:02 AM »
Please excuse me whilst I find the sheer amount of irony in the above post hilarious.

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