all-homebrew game?

[Harald]

Did you not just forget me Sirpercival ? 
If we really need a spellcaster, I can bring instead of the Firespeaker a Warmage or a Beguiler from Zieghander's homebrews.

[sirpercival]

Oops... Lol.  I'll add you to the list.  I think with Osle and me we may be okay.

[oslecamo]

Quillwraith:Would you allow me to get Monster Blooded and Monster Hybrid feats so I can multiclass into Aasimar? One of the rules of my monster classes project is that you can't directly mix two monsters since they usually have powerful scaling abilities, so the two feat costs balances it out.

My original plan was cleric dip to get turn undead and fuel stuff like Domain Feats and those Cwarrior feats that boost your combat skill by burning turn atempts, but cleric isn't homebrew so no easy ways to get Turn Undead. Aasimar however allows me to put Charisma to good use in combat, otherwise a Ghaele Eladrin gish isn't really possible as I would have to spread out my stats too much even with the racial bonus.

As for character background, I believe I'll be a Maker's creation that was first created to protect and assist planar wanderers. And two thousand years later, he's still doing his best to follow those orders, even as he saw his brothers and sisters fall to chaos and their own desires when the Makers disapeared. He developed a desire of his own tough: to discover what hapened to the Makers, and if possible to get them to return.

Also, +1 to those general houserules:

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Skills

• Use Rich Burlew's Diplomacy.
  

Feats

• Toughness now grants the effect of Improved Toughness.  There is no Improved Toughness.
• Weapon Focus grants the benefit of WS at 4HD, GWF at 8HD, and GWS at 12HD.  All three of those feats no longer exist.
• Two Weapon Fighting grants you a number of offhand attacks equal to the number of main hand attacks you are entitled to, and does not impose additional to hit penalties for a one handed weapon in the off hand.  ITWF and GTWF therefore do not exist.
• Two Weapon Defense provides a Competence bonus to AC equal to the number of mainhand attacks you can make derived from BAB (i.e., +2 at BAB +6, etc.).
• All three of the feats that give +2 to a save still do, except that if your base save bonus of that type is at least +6 you also no longer auto fail saves of that type on a natural 1. You must still actually roll high enough to save normally.
• Devotion feats grant an additional use for every 5HD.

Equipment

• Spending gold for enhancement bonuses sucks. So, let's not.  Instead, you can enchant a masterwork weapon, armor, or shield directly with properties, instead of needing a +1 enhancement bonus first.  Each property grants an enhancement bonus to the item equal to the plus of the property.  For example, a keen flaming longsword functions as +3 (+2 from keen and +1 from flaming), and a ghost ward shield has a +1 enhancement bonus.  The maximum total bonus on equipment is still +10, meaning you can get up to a +10 enhancement bonus.

[phaedrusxy]

After reading the world description, I suddenly find myself interested in this game... despite the fact that I'm already in 2 games using mostly homebrewed material. I'm guessing you have enough players already though, right?

[samnemath]

So, do we have a definite list of homebrew rules in effect?

[sirpercival]

OK, I updated Ritual Mage.  Quill, can you vet RM and Thaumaturge, before I go all-out on a build?  Thanks!

[DonQuixote]

So, I will be playing Sublime Shaper with Ziegander's Two-Weapon Fix (Chance to test them out in practice).
Going for two-dagger wielding with Shadow Hand, Thrashing Dragon maneuvers, and Brilliant Dawn, Blustering Gale formulas.
Not sure how it will turn out (not very good at optimizing) but I am going for a sneaky mobile fighter with limited support and battlefield control capabilities.

I'm just going to point out that two-weapon fighting technically prevents you from benefiting from the Sublime Guard ability.

[samnemath]

So, I will be playing Sublime Shaper with Ziegander's Two-Weapon Fix (Chance to test them out in practice).
Going for two-dagger wielding with Shadow Hand, Thrashing Dragon maneuvers, and Brilliant Dawn, Blustering Gale formulas.
Not sure how it will turn out (not very good at optimizing) but I am going for a sneaky mobile fighter with limited support and battlefield control capabilities.

I'm just going to point out that two-weapon fighting technically prevents you from benefiting from the Sublime Guard ability.

Yes, it's a pity but I will try not to use formulas in melee.
Using formulas mostly for a little buffing before entering the fray and resorting to spellshape attacks only if
my weapons and attacks are ineffectual for some reason


Edit: I am also thinking a Crystal of return in one of the weapons. Enabling me to drop it if I really want to use a formula
in melee.

[Quillwraith]

~Osle with a Ghaele divine gish
~Venn with an Illurien (mostly melee? I can't tell)
~Zieg with a TWFighter
~Sam with a TWF sublime shaper
~Harald with a FLAMEspeaker
~me and littha with who knows
(~schiz with an indigo trickster)
((~fire with a ritual char))
I guess I'll start working up a Thaumaturge/Ritual Mage.  Can you vet those, Quill?

EDIT: And how do you feel about Item Familiars?

Thaumaturge and ritual mage are in.
Item familiars won't give you bonus XP, but you can have one.

Quillwraith:Would you allow me to get Monster Blooded and Monster Hybrid feats so I can multiclass into Aasimar? One of the rules of my monster classes project is that you can't directly mix two monsters since they usually have powerful scaling abilities, so the two feat costs balances it out.

My original plan was cleric dip to get turn undead and fuel stuff like Domain Feats and those Cwarrior feats that boost your combat skill by burning turn atempts, but cleric isn't homebrew so no easy ways to get Turn Undead. Aasimar however allows me to put Charisma to good use in combat, otherwise a Ghaele Eladrin gish isn't really possible as I would have to spread out my stats too much even with the racial bonus.

As for character background, I believe I'll be a Maker's creation that was first created to protect and assist planar wanderers. And two thousand years later, he's still doing his best to follow those orders, even as he saw his brothers and sisters fall to chaos and their own desires when the Makers disapeared. He developed a desire of his own tough: to discover what hapened to the Makers, and if possible to get them to return.

The feats and Aasimar are okay with me.

No-one's supposed to know too much about the Makers.
Maybe you were one of the later creations, and didn't return from the plane you were sent to first until after they'd disappeared?

So, do we have a definite list of homebrew rules in effect?

Sirpercival's houserules(except the iterative attack and TWF ones), and this

[Quillwraith]

Okay, basic made-eyed rules.

Made-eyed(trait):
You are descended from humanoids altered by the Makers.

You gain a +4 bonus on spellcraft, use magic device, and knowledge checks related to the Makers and their creations, and can detect hidden planar portals with a successful spot check (DC varies).
You also take a -4 penalty on saves against any magical, supernatural, or spell like abilities of creatures and items created by the Makers, and most NPCs start out with a relationship of acquaintance(negative), due to superstitions about made-eyed.

Some prestige classes and monster classes represent additional made-eyed abilities, and require this trait as a prerequisite.

[Schizek]

Quote from: sirpercival on Today at 05:00:56 AM
~Osle with a Ghaele divine gish
~Venn with an Illurien (mostly melee? I can't tell)
~Zieg with a TWFighter
~Sam with a TWF sublime shaper
~Harald with a FLAMEspeaker
~me and littha with who knows
(~schiz with an indigo trickster)
((~fire with a ritual char))
I guess I'll start working up a Thaumaturge/Ritual Mage.  Can you vet those, Quill?

EDIT: And how do you feel about Item Familiars?
Thaumaturge and ritual mage are in.
Item familiars won't give you bonus XP, but you can have one.

Looks like there is three people doing TWF and another two some kind of melee. Indigo Tricker is TWF fighter with some skill-monkey characteristic  but still team composition doesn't  feel right.

I started creation of Indigo Tricker but I can start looking for some skill-monkey/divine class.

[Quillwraith]

I think littha was going to play a caster but hadn't decided what sort.
EDIT: and there's the sorcery skill.

[littha]

I was aiming at using a finesse melee build but I could change to a caster.

[VennDygrem]

My character is sort of a finesse melee character, but is primarily int-based. Trying to build off of that as much as possible (lots of homebrew weapon finesse and zen archery/intuitive strike feats, but very few for Int. Will have to run the ones I've found by Quill).
I might also look into making it more of a dagger-throwing style character, but we'll see. Depends on what I can work out.

[samnemath]

Ok. Character complete...at least the mechanical stuff. Tell me if there is anythng wrong with it or if you have any suggestions to improve him.

http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=385516

[oslecamo]

No-one's supposed to know too much about the Makers.
Maybe you were one of the later creations, and didn't return from the plane you were sent to first until after they'd disappeared?

Yeah, that was what I had in mind.

My character sheet, mostly done, just some GP left to spend.

[sirpercival]

Pretty much done.

Fwisp
N Anthropomorphic Bat Thaumaturge 6/Ritual Mage 2

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Racial adjustments: -4 Str +6 Wis -2 Cha
32 point buy, items included

Str 10 [2p] -4 racial = 6
Dex 10 [2p]
Con 14 [6p]
Int 14 [6p]
Wis 18 [16p] +6 racial +2 level +2 enhance = 28
Cha 8 [0p] -2 racial = 6

HD: 6d4+2d6+16 (X hp)
Saves: F +4, R +2, W +13
AC: 11 (+1 size), touch 11, flat-footed 11
Speed: 5 feet, fly 20 feet (average)
Initiative: +0
Senses: Blindsense 20 ft, darkvision 60 ft
BAB/Grapple: +4/-2
Attacks:

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• -4 Str, +6 Wis, -2 Cha
• Small size
• Blindsense 20 feet
• Speed 5 ft, fly 20 ft (average)
• +4 racial bonus on Listen and Spot (while blindsense is active)
• Darkvision 60 feet

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Thaumaturge 6:

• Spells (as 7th-level thaumaturge) -- 6/6/4/2 (3/2/1/1 known)
• Magecraft (DC 20 spellcraft check to cast arcane mark, detect magic, light, mage hand, message, read magic, or prestidigitation as SLA)
  
• Eschew Materials as bonus feat
• Metamagic Lore (3+Int per day, Spellcraft check DC 20 to Heighten by 1 level +1 per +5 of check result)
• Anyspell (Spellcraft DC 20+2*spell level to cast any Thaum spell out of +1-level slot; can't cast highest-level spells this way)

Ritual Mage 2:

• Ritual Casting (8 minor, 6 least)
• Share ritual
• Spelltouched Ritual (sacrifice spell slots to increase ritual duration)

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1st - Cast Minor Ritual (Ritual Skill), Ritual Infusion^F, Invisible Spell^F
2nd - Eschew Materials^B
3rd - Item Familiar
6th - Ritual Shorthand

Flaw - Beady Eyes (darkvision becomes low-light vision, -2 Search and Spot)
Flaw - Weak Will (-3 to Will saves)
Trait - Savantism (+5 Spellcraft, -1 all other skills)

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Spellcraft 11 ranks + 2 Int +5 trait = +18
Knowledge (Arcana) 11 ranks + 2 Int -1 trait = +12
Concentration 11 ranks + 2 Con -1 trait = +12
Spot 4 ranks + 8 Wis -2 flaw -1 trait = +9
Listen 4 ranks + 8 Wis -1 trait = +11
Sense Motive 3 ranks + 8 Wis -1 trait = +10
Search +2 Int -2 flaw -1 trait = -1

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   WBL: 27k
Periapt of Wisdom +2 [4000 gp]
Ghost Ward Charged Feycraft Githcraft Mithril Shirt (+3 enhancement) [11200 gp]
Ghost Ward Charged Darkwood Heavy Shield (+3 enhancement) [9257 gp]
Anklet of Translocation [1400 gp]
Healing Belt [750 gp]
Eggshell Grenade, Dust x5 [50gp]
Aboleth Mucus x3 [60gp]

Remaining wealth: 283 gp

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Spells per Day: 6+3/6+2/4+2/2+2

Typical Spells Known:

• 1st (3) -- Grease, Nerveskitter, Shield
  
• 2nd (2) -- Glitterdust, Arcane Turmoil
  
• 3rd (1) -- Slow
  
• 4th (1) -- Black Tentacles
  

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Commonly Charged Minor Rituals (8):
~Ritual Skill (Spellcraft)
~Ritual Save (Reflex)
~Ritual Save (Fortitude)
~Ritual Boost (Dexterity)
~Ritual Boost (Constitution)
~Ritual Dodge
~Ritual Focus (Ranged)
~Ritual Focus (Melee)

Commonly Charged Least Rituals (6):
~Ritual of Conjuration
~Ritual of Deflection
~Ritual of Healing
~Ritual of Potency
~Ritual of Resurgence
~Ritual of Transmutation

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[littha]

I am stuck coming up with a race, as we are playing homebrew I wanted to play something fairly exotic but with the lack of LA buyoff that seems a little optimistic.

Anyone seen a good ECL 1 race. Needs no con or dex penalty and medium size and not being an elf/dwarf. Ideally plant/nature themed.

[phaedrusxy]

I am stuck coming up with a race, as we are playing homebrew I wanted to play something fairly exotic but with the lack of LA buyoff that seems a little optimistic.

Anyone seen a good ECL 1 race. Needs no con or dex penalty and medium size and not being an elf/dwarf. Ideally plant/nature themed.

Dryad + Acorn of Far Travel?

The verdant prince also looks quite fun. Name him Tom Bombadil?

[littha]

Not exactly ECL 1...