Anyspell and qualifying for PrCs

[SorO_Lost]

Anyspell cannot be used to meet arcane based PrC requirements, also when you get down to it items are not intended to meet PrC requirements either.

I agree about the items, but why can't Anyspell be used (in any situation) according to you?

FAQ ruled Southern Magician doesn't qualify for PrCs based on the grounds the your spellcasting ability is still X even if you are casting a Y typed spell. Anyspell likewise says when you cast the spell it is treated as if X cast it, well since you can't cast arcane spells you're using your divine ability which is mechanically similar to Southern Magician.

A second point to add to things is the FAQ's ruling on Southern Magician provide a clear point that when PrCs use the word ability they are not talking in a general English sense. This concept is enforced a second on the very same page as it touches on the interactions of Domain Spontaneity and Reserve Feats. Where even if the outcome is a measure of spontaneously cast spells, even Reserve feats only acknowledge your real ability to cast spells and not half-assed alterations to the outcome of what spell can be produced.

A less factual point but third point would be using UMD to meet PrC requirements. The end result is a spell being cast and you made it happen so in a general sense you really do have the ability to cast spells. But when you get to handling the rules, ability is a more specific than that and this is understood well enough by many DMs, including RGPA ones, as not to include UMDing stuff and it isn't allowed.

The is what the rules indicate towards Anyspell cannot be used to meet arcane based PrC requirements. The only thing that opposes it is a language debate where someone is explicitly operating as if the dictionary was the one and only true definition. So like all language arguments it's not about the original subject, but proving that they are right if things were exactly as they claimed them to be. E.G. Trolling.

[sirpercival]

Hmm... agreed.

[LargePrime]

FAQ ruled Southern Magician doesn't qualify for PrCs based on the grounds the your spellcasting ability is still X even if you are casting a Y typed spell.

Except NOT AT ALL!

Can a wizard with the Southern Magician feat qualify for prestige classes that require you to be able to cast a divine spell?
 The Southern Magician feat does not allow you to cast divine spells per se. It only allows you to change the spells into divine spells once they have been cast. Thus, you won’t qualify for prestige classes that require you to be able to cast a divine spell. The Southern Magician feat only gives the bonuses specifically listed in the feat’s description.

tl;dr Southern Magician says it does not change power source.

Anyspell likewise says when you cast the spell it is treated as if X cast it, well since you can't cast arcane spells you're using your divine ability which is mechanically similar to Southern Magician.

Except NOT AT ALL!

Anyspell allows you to read and prepare any arcane spell of up to 2nd level. You must have an arcane magical writing (a scroll or spellbook) on hand to cast anyspell. During the spell’s 15-minute casting time, you can scan the spells available and choose one to read and prepare. Once you choose and prepare an arcane spell, you retain it in your mind. The prepared spell occupies your 3rd-level domain spell slot. If you read the spell from a spellbook, the book is unharmed, but reading a spell from a scroll erases the spell from the scroll.
When you cast the arcane spell, it works just as though cast by a wizard of your cleric level except that your Wisdom score sets the save DC (if
applicable). You must have a Wisdom of at least 10 + the arcane spell’s level to prepare and cast it. Your holy symbol substitutes for any noncostly material component. If the spell has a costly material component (one to which a gold piece value is assigned), you must provide it. If the spell has another focus, you must provide the focus. If the spell has an XP component, you must pay the experience point cost.

tl;dr Anyspell changes the spell source.

A second point to add to things is the FAQ's ruling on Southern Magician provide a clear point that when PrCs use the word ability they are not talking in a general English sense. This concept is enforced a second on the very same page as it touches on the interactions of Domain Spontaneity and Reserve Feats. Where even if the outcome is a measure of spontaneously cast spells, even Reserve feats only acknowledge your real ability to cast spells and not half-assed alterations to the outcome of what spell can be produced.

Um,no.  Firstly NOTHING in the FAQ suggests that it is not plain English.  Secondly the interaction if Domain Spontaneity (p40.  4 pages earlier) clarifies that the exact language of reserve feats needs to be followed, and adds an errata effect that when they were talking about these casters they meant to add 'need a spell list'.  However they ALSO make the point that it is not important and you can do it the other way, no harm no foul.

I am disappoint.  I'd a thought you would have done your homework.

[spacemonkey555]

I don't have a pony in the anyspell race, but using items to qualify is legal. From CW:

Meeting Class Requirements: It’s possible for a character to take levels in a prestige class and later be in a position where the character no longer qualifies to be a member of the class. An alignment change, levels lost because of character death, or the loss of a magic item that granted an important ability are examples of events that can make a character ineligible to advance farther in a prestige class.

[LargePrime]

And, again, ad nausium, you're ignoring the existence of the Class Feature "Arcane Spellcasting".

OK So I have my PHB 3.5 open to wizard and do not see  " Class Feature "Arcane Spellcasting" ".  Did i miss it?  I see "Spells;" and "Spellbooks:" but no "Arcane Spellcasting".  I also did a text search on "Arcane Spellcasting" and got no hits.
So where are you getting this?

But if there's a case to be made that that Class Feature doesn't do anything for PrC qualification, so what? It seems then that you should agree with our interpretation of Anyspell by the same merits of that part of your argument, that it only works to qualify once Anyspell has been used to prepare an Arcane spell that hasn't been cast?

Nope.  Because, again, if we assume a wizard ALWAYS works, and a wizard can be out of spells, and CANNOT CAST ARCANE RIGHT NOW, but does not loose access, than a cleric should NOT loose access because she cannot cast arcane RIGHT NOW.

[LargePrime]

My apologies, I must have misunderstood you here.

Yes.
1) Go read sirpercival
2) Then read my reply below

Here's a piece of RAW that contradicts the "wizards who cast all their spells don't qualify for PrCs" argument, from the SRD.  The very first words of the "Spells" class feature are:

A wizard casts arcane spells...

The PHB goes on to say

Like other spellcasters, a wizard can cast only a certain number of spells of each spell level per day.

Therefore a wizard has the ability to cast only a limited number of spells per day. 

This contradicts you assertion "the ability to cast arcane spells no matter how many used or unused spell slots are left".  Thus, it seems, "wizards who cast all their spells don't qualify for PrCs" stands.

See what I was doing was contradicting his premise, and then pointing out IF WE ASSUME his position, with the correct premise, wizards DO NOT qualify as arcane casters.

Also note that I have not, and am not, saying; "wizards ALWAYS qualify", or not.  Just pointing out that IF THEY DO, Anyspell should ALWAYS work.

Mostly because you bothered to explain, I am gonna ask for a Mulligan.
I was not engaging you because you did not read the post two above mine and put two and two together.  But after a third reread perhaps the language/structure was a bit complicated and confusing.  It happens.  I am going to re-assume you are posting/engaging in good faith and are not being a fucktard.  Because you're not. 

[veekie]

Guys, discuss this like reasonable people. Leave the derogatory remarks and insults out, they don't contribute to the discussion other than to demonstrate your disdain for the other posters on the thread.

[linklord231]

Wow Large, I think that's the first time I've been called NOT a fucktard on the internet.  Thank you (not being sarcastic).
And thank you for clarifying your earlier point.  It makes it a lot easier to agree with you.

On topic, it seems pretty clear that the text of Anyspell says that the spell is Arcane, even when you cast it. 

When you cast the arcane spell, it works just as though cast by a wizard of your cleric level except...

Bolded for emphasis. 
The spell is Arcane, and you cast it as if you were a wizard (who casts arcane spells).  The exceptions change the way a wizard would cast the spell, but make no mention of changing the source from arcane to divine. 
Regarding the Southern Magician thing, I don't think it's the same at all.  Southern Magician allows you to cast a divine spell as an arcane spell, and specifically calls out the fact that the "actual source of the spell’s power doesn’t change."  Anyspell has no such qualifying text. 

And Large,

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Even though it's clear now that we agree with each other, it makes it really hard to take your posts seriously when you treat other posters like they're total idiots.  Even though you make some valid points, they're mixed in with so many arguments ad hominem that people would probably be justified in just glossing over them.  No offense meant, just something to consider.

[LargePrime]

I love you too!  But don't we agree that this is not a popularity contest?  You agreeing with me does no more than these fucktards who post "Hmm... agreed."

Go tear into what the FAQ says about 'domain spontaneity' or go find "arcane spellcaster" in the PHB!  Engage!  Don't tell me you agree with me; go find ANOTHER reason to, or NOT to, agree.

[Jackinthegreen]

While this isn't a popularity contest, insulting people tends to have certain repercussions.  A lot of people don't want to interact with those who are constantly insulting, especially to well established and well-liked contributors.

I agree that by RAW, Anyspell does work for certain qualifications.  Given the discussion, it's pretty obvious why.  However, I will not "engage" further on this mostly because doing so would not make the point any more valid.  It's done.

[pelzak]

I'm a little bit tired of this discussion ...

To push this disscussion to different route:
What if wizard 9/cleric 1/dweomerkeeper 10 will cast "contact other plane" and fail save, and as a result will lose ability to cast spells for few weeks.
http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Contact_Other_Plane

Will he lose ability to use any dweomerkeeper features (let say that he chose some first level cleric spell as mantle of spells)?

Best regards,
Pelzak

EDIT:
As per Jackinthegreen suggestion providing more reliable link http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/contactOtherPlane.htm
Thanks.