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Re: Wikipedia's SOPA box
« Reply #140 on: February 18, 2012, 01:40:24 PM »
No, that second link isn't just opinion, it's flat wrong.

1, 4, 6, 7, 9, 10) Listed together because these are the same, asinine talking points that pretty much every jackass political hack spouts.  If this power wasn't possessed by the Federal Reserve, it would be possessed by the Legislature and expansion and contraction of the money supply would become a political bargaining chip.  As such, the money supply could be manipulated when it's not supposed to, or remain stable when an increase or decrease is called for.  In the end, all four of these issues can be addressed by simply electing better representatives instead of voting for a bunch of clowns who bitch and moan about everything but don't actually do anything to fix them once in office.

2) Our currency is, basically, a commodity.  Therefore, it's value isn't based on how many dollars there are in the system, it's based on how much everyone else thinks it's worth.  The Federal Reserve expanding the supply of money is a contributing factor to the current low value, but it's far from being a determining factor.

3) The money supply can increase without de-valuing the dollar, because the dollar is, essentially, a commodity.  Therefore, if demand for the dollar increases at the same rate as the supply, the net value of the dollar stays the same, which is not only not bad for the middle class, it makes saving money a much more certain game.

5) Plain false.  There were economic booms and busts before the Fed was established, and IIRC they were more frequent and more severe than anything since the Great Depression (which was caused by a credit crisis not unlike the one that caused the Great Recession).  In fact, the longer the Fed has been around, the better people have gotten at running it, and the more stable our economy has become.  Do you remember the Dot Com bubble burst in 2000?  That was nothing compared to your average 19th-century recession.

8) By this argument, imprisoning criminals for murder is also unconstitutional, because there is no anti-murder law in the constitution.  Also, constitutionally speaking, black people have what... 2/3's of a vote, compared to a white person's one vote?  Then there's the whole non-landowners can't vote at all bit.  Seriously, stop bitching about the Constitution.  It's flat incapable of accounting for every little thing we're capable of doing in today's world, and has been changed from the "founders' vision" almost 30 times throughout history (and Republicans want to do it another half-dozen times, to boot).  It's not inclusive like D&D where if it's not in the rulebook you can't do it, it's exclusive where if it's in the Constitution then the Government can't do it.

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Re: Wikipedia's SOPA box
« Reply #141 on: February 18, 2012, 04:06:15 PM »
Sorry Sol, but neither of those are impartial sources, and the first one is pure propaganda.  Can't take those at face value, especially the first one.  The second one is more of an opinion of Freedomworks, though you'll note it's not fact.

Oh, I didn't think they were, I just found them either shocking or intruging.  I assume everything I link to is biased to various degrees.

Just clarifying what I was doing.
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« Reply #142 on: February 18, 2012, 05:49:22 PM »
See, the problem with that is that it's easy to say something shocking.  I mean, did you know that NASA satelites have found that there's an asteroid that has a 95% chance of obliterating the moon, and it will happen tomorrow, with the 5% chance that it hits the earth and annihilates half the globe instantly?  I'm actually starting my doomsday supply, so I can survive the tidal mayhem and the debris falling from the sky.

See, now, it should be obvious that that's no where near true.  When I come across an article like the first one you linked, I immediately disregard every single thing that's been said as false.  The language that they used indicated that they have a definite agenda of ousting the "gummint" and that the guy who wrote it is almost certainly wearing a tinfoil hat.He might be extrapolating from some actual legislature, but the chance that it is actually doing what the guy is claiming it's doing?  Pretty much nil.

@X-Codes: your number 8 is just wrong.  iirc in the original constitution there was no passage on race equality, then later they added the 4/5ths of a person thing, then later they added the race equality acts.  Slavery wasn't banned in the original, and iirc it wasn't explicitly allowed either.  Your point stands though, the constitution was intended to be a living document, and as such adapt as the times change and new aspects are needed (see: amendments, of which the Bill of Rights are 10 of them...).
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Re: Wikipedia's SOPA box
« Reply #143 on: February 18, 2012, 06:11:58 PM »
ALex Jones is still alive?  He hasn't committed suicide due to the paranoia yet?

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« Reply #144 on: February 18, 2012, 06:36:48 PM »
You know, I figured that guy had a history of paranoia.  Just didn't take the time to google him.
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Re: Wikipedia's SOPA box
« Reply #145 on: February 18, 2012, 07:53:07 PM »
@X-Codes: your number 8 is just wrong.  iirc in the original constitution there was no passage on race equality, then later they added the 4/5ths of a person thing, then later they added the race equality acts.  Slavery wasn't banned in the original, and iirc it wasn't explicitly allowed either.  Your point stands though, the constitution was intended to be a living document, and as such adapt as the times change and new aspects are needed (see: amendments, of which the Bill of Rights are 10 of them...).
Yeah, I gloss over the parts that don't mean anything anymore.  Right now, we have equal rights under the law, so whether it says 2/3 or 4/5 or whatever in the constitution, wherever it says it, it doesn't matter, because we changed it.

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« Reply #146 on: February 18, 2012, 08:39:34 PM »
 I have no trouble about things outside the Constition, though the more important ones really deserve amendments. The Bill of Rights wasn't in the first draft...it was added later by amendments. If the Constitution isn't 'current or relevant' than its because we've drifted away from it without updating it to reflect new realities.
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Re: Wikipedia's SOPA box
« Reply #147 on: February 18, 2012, 10:40:57 PM »
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Re: Wikipedia's SOPA box
« Reply #149 on: February 19, 2012, 02:06:37 AM »
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=24026

"Cuts their options" eh?  Yup, they're all sorts of fucked in the head.

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Re: Wikipedia's SOPA box
« Reply #150 on: February 19, 2012, 05:13:07 AM »
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Re: Wikipedia's SOPA box
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Re: Wikipedia's SOPA box
« Reply #152 on: February 19, 2012, 08:41:58 AM »
Been around for a long while, that. Same principle as domain-squatting, you look for undefended, potentially lucrative domains and scoop them up, then simply own it by default and with legal firepower greater than the 'proper' owner, you eventually force them to either give up, or settle at cost to get what was theirs back. They can win most such cases by attrition really, since the primary target is those who cannot afford a protracted legal battle.
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Re: Wikipedia's SOPA box
« Reply #153 on: February 19, 2012, 03:38:35 PM »
You know, I figured that guy had a history of paranoia.  Just didn't take the time to google him.

He's pretty much a delusional conspiracy theorist that Glenn Beck ripped off ruthlessly.  Beck just toned down and homogenized the bullshit so it was almost acceptable to a more mainstream audience for a time.  The difference between the two is that Beck is saying what he says to make money and get attention, and Jones for his part is an actual believer divorced from reality.

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Re: Wikipedia's SOPA box
« Reply #154 on: February 19, 2012, 04:36:26 PM »
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=24026

"Cuts their options" eh?  Yup, they're all sorts of fucked in the head.

I enjoy seeing them go insane.

Also, yay!  http://reason.com/blog/2012/02/18/ron-paul-leads-obama-in-iowa-according-t
I really hope Ron Paul wins the primary.  He's got no chance whatsoever in the general, and the ideological gap between those two is so wide you could drive an armored convoy through it sideways.

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Re: Wikipedia's SOPA box
« Reply #155 on: February 19, 2012, 10:08:53 PM »
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=24026

"Cuts their options" eh?  Yup, they're all sorts of fucked in the head.

I enjoy seeing them go insane.

Also, yay!  http://reason.com/blog/2012/02/18/ron-paul-leads-obama-in-iowa-according-t
I really hope Ron Paul wins the primary.  He's got no chance whatsoever in the general, and the ideological gap between those two is so wide you could drive an armored convoy through it sideways.

Actually I think he'd do well in the general, moreso that the primary.  Ron Paul supports are by and large independent, so any votes with Republican only will be lower than normal.  Plus, he'd steal all of Obama's youth support.  The fact that they have a huge ideological gap is, IMHO, a wonderful wonderful thing.  He just needs to get through the hardest part, fighting the GOP....

And now in unrelated news, what exactly is going on with this?
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« Reply #156 on: February 19, 2012, 10:27:51 PM »
Dose anyone have a figure for how many people work at the Pentagon?  I mean, the building just doesn't even seem large enough for that many people to work there, so that's saying that pretty much everyone working there has paid for child porn?  I find that really hard to believe.  I watched the AC clip, and still have a hard time believing it.  That's just...wow....part of this might be my unwillingness to believe that these types of people exist in any quantity that can be seen, however.
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Re: Wikipedia's SOPA box
« Reply #157 on: February 19, 2012, 10:53:43 PM »
If wiki is to be believed about 23,000.

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« Reply #158 on: February 19, 2012, 11:05:48 PM »
holy....about a fourth of the Pentagon....That jsut seems very statistically anomolous.
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« Reply #159 on: February 19, 2012, 11:18:17 PM »
Actually I think he'd do well in the general, moreso that the primary.  Ron Paul supports are by and large independent, so any votes with Republican only will be lower than normal.  Plus, he'd steal all of Obama's youth support.  The fact that they have a huge ideological gap is, IMHO, a wonderful wonderful thing.  He just needs to get through the hardest part, fighting the GOP....
Actually, Independents *are* voting in many of these primaries.  They were allowed to vote in the Iowa Caucuses, for example, and Ron Paul came in third there.  What's more, he's not going to take a single young woman's vote with the extremity of his social conservative views, and he'll have even more trouble with minority voters given his track record, there.  In other words, he'll do about the same with the groups that Republicans generally do well with, and do worse with groups that Republicans already do bad with.

Also, Ron Paul's viewpoints are demonstrably insane, and I guarantee you that there will be two dozen super-PACs ready and willing to blow him out of the water if his stealth nomination plan goes through.  It will be gloriously ugly.

holy....about a fourth of the Pentagon....That jsut seems very statistically anomolous.
The pentagon is actually quite large, but because the only photos/video you see of it are from pre-approved helicopter flyovers (especially since 9/11), it looks smaller than it really is.

As for the statistical anomaly... people with power often let their power go to their heads, and start to feel like they're above the law.  As for why they decided to go with child porn, I don't think I'll ever understand why anyone does that.  It's just not right.