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Re: Wikipedia's SOPA box
« Reply #20 on: January 19, 2012, 11:43:46 PM »
prime just won the thread. People who work for a living (literally, they charge for their labor) understand that products (physical or not) are just tied to sales to let the market regulate efficiency since really what people want is a return on their labor. But only physical things are what are correctly regulated this way so either the information needs to be correctly tied to a physical medium (not abandoned and then vindictively held thanks to nonsense copyright laws) or understood to be a losing battle and made as accessible as possible so no one wants to go look somewhere else. The latter option allows focusing in other areas for profits.

wotmanic clearly didn't do the research. I read wikipedia's article about their reasons for us adults who do the research before pointing fingers and using the word 'shame'

Yes wikipedia has a significant bent to the left and yes they are doomed to fail, but I wish them no ill

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Re: Wikipedia's SOPA box
« Reply #21 on: January 19, 2012, 11:58:04 PM »
According to an articles china is now mocking us over SOPA as thy believe we are effectively copying their firewall...

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Re: Wikipedia's SOPA box
« Reply #22 on: January 20, 2012, 03:01:31 AM »
The bills seem to be the digital equivalents of handing law enforcement officers fully automatic weapons, and then empowering and instructing them to set the things to Continuous Fire, and shoot wildly into crowds any time they suspect a thief.  Even if they get the suspects, and they are in fact thieves, the collateral damage is completely unacceptable.
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Re: Wikipedia's SOPA box
« Reply #23 on: January 20, 2012, 03:20:15 AM »
The issue at hand is not "free speech" (and I'm happy to explain why not).  The issue at hand is protection of intellectual property -- the goal of these bills is just that (I'm in no way saying that they are perfect -- anything that originates in congress rarely is).

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If SOPA/PIPA are wrong, then be productive and propose an alternative solution.

The goal of these bills is, almost certainly, to protect intellectual property.  However, if they begin to infringe upon the right to free speech, it becomes an issue of free speech as well.
Laws should not be written with the assumption that those with the ability to use it will not abuse it.  This goes double for the recording industry, who have an absolutely awful track record when it comes to abuses of the powers given them.

Furthermore, the onus of creating better laws to protect intellectual property does not fall to us.  If SOPA and PIPA are wrong, they shouldn't be passed, and the onus is on us to make sure that doesn't happen (by contacting our representatives, rallying support, etc).  By pointing out what is unacceptable, we are, by exclusion, informing what may be acceptable.
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Re: Wikipedia's SOPA box
« Reply #24 on: January 20, 2012, 02:58:30 PM »
I'm what's staring back from the abyss.
How come you guys never wave?

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Re: Wikipedia's SOPA box
« Reply #25 on: January 20, 2012, 04:04:10 PM »

So I use google cache ; problem solved.
...the protest page explained how to turn it off.

EDIT: Might as well link the previous threads here.

Heck, I didn't get "that" far into it.


The bill is suspended ... those goofy Congress jargon words
don't mean what people normally think them to mean.
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Re: Wikipedia's SOPA box
« Reply #26 on: January 20, 2012, 04:26:40 PM »
I have not contacted my representatives.  I signed up to volunteer in the campaign of an incumbent representative, and was asked if I was comfortable asking people I didn't know for money.  When I said no, and offered to do just about anything else, my e-mails stopped receiving replies.  Not "Well, in that case, we'll figure out something you can do later."  No response at all.

One thing I thought was amusing was that Dodd said, in an interview, that the MPAA's members shouldn't be forced to change their business model just because of the internet.  Well, they're not being forced to change their business model.  Certainly not by Government.  It's their right to be obsolete.
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Re: Wikipedia's SOPA box
« Reply #27 on: January 20, 2012, 07:15:40 PM »
Also interesting to read is the pirate bay's SOPA message: https://static.thepiratebay.org/legal/sopa.txt
It relates how Hollywood got started by going around patents and ignoring copyright.

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Re: Wikipedia's SOPA box
« Reply #28 on: January 20, 2012, 08:55:16 PM »
Also interesting to read is the pirate bay's SOPA message: https://static.thepiratebay.org/legal/sopa.txt
It relates how Hollywood got started by going around patents and ignoring copyright.
Can someone repost that here? Pirate Bay is blocked in Ireland. :grave

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Re: Wikipedia's SOPA box
« Reply #29 on: January 20, 2012, 09:11:49 PM »
Also interesting to read is the pirate bay's SOPA message: https://static.thepiratebay.org/legal/sopa.txt
It relates how Hollywood got started by going around patents and ignoring copyright.
Can someone repost that here? Pirate Bay is blocked in Ireland. :grave
INTERNETS, 18th of January 2012.
PRESS RELEASE, FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE.

Over a century ago Thomas Edison got the patent for a device which would "do for the eye what the phonograph does for
the ear". He called it the Kinetoscope. He was not only amongst the first to record video, he was also the first person
to own the copyright to a motion picture.

Because of Edisons patents for the motion pictures it was close to financially impossible to create motion pictures
in the North american east coast. The movie studios therefor relocated to California, and founded what we today call
Hollywood. The reason was mostly because there was no patent.
There was also no copyright to speak of, so the studios could copy old stories and make movies out of them - like
Fantasia, one of Disneys biggest hits ever.

So, the whole basis of this industry, that today is screaming about losing control over immaterial rights, is that they
circumvented immaterial rights. They copied (or put in their terminology: "stole") other peoples creative works,
without paying for it. They did it in order to make a huge profit. Today, they're all successful and most of the
studios are on the Fortune 500 list of the richest companies in the world. Congratulations - it's all based on being
able to re-use other peoples creative works. And today they hold the rights to what other people create.
If you want to get something released, you have to abide to their rules. The ones they created after circumventing
other peoples rules.

The reason they are always complainting about "pirates" today is simple. We've done what they did. We circumvented the
rules they created and created our own. We crushed their monopoly by giving people something more efficient. We allow
people to have direct communication between eachother, circumventing the profitable middle man, that in some cases take
over 107% of the profits (yes, you pay to work for them).
It's all based on the fact that we're competition.
We've proven that their existance in their current form is no longer needed. We're just better than they are.

And the funny part is that our rules are very similar to the founding ideas of the USA. We fight for freedom of speech.
We see all people as equal. We believe that the public, not the elite, should rule the nation. We believe that laws
should be created to serve the public, not the rich corporations.

The Pirate Bay is truly an international community. The team is spread all over the globe - but we've stayed out of the
USA. We have Swedish roots and a swedish friend said this:
The word SOPA means "trash" in Swedish. The word PIPA means "a pipe" in Swedish. This is of course not a coincidence.
They want to make the internet inte a one way pipe, with them at the top, shoving trash through the pipe down to the
rest of us obedient consumers.
The public opinion on this matter is clear. Ask anyone on the street and you'll learn that noone wants to be fed with
trash. Why the US government want the american people to be fed with trash is beyond our imagination but we hope that
you will stop them, before we all drown.

SOPA can't do anything to stop TPB. Worst case we'll change top level domain from our current .org to one of the
hundreds of other names that we already also use. In countries where TPB is blocked, China and Saudi Arabia springs to
mind, they block hundreds of our domain names. And did it work? Not really.
To fix the "problem of piracy" one should go to the source of the problem. The entertainment industry say they're
creating "culture" but what they really do is stuff like selling overpriced plushy dolls and making 11 year old girls
become anorexic. Either from working in the factories that creates the dolls for basically no salary or by watching
movies and tv shows that make them think that they're fat.

In the great Sid Meiers computer game Civilization you can build Wonders of the world. One of the most powerful ones
is Hollywood. With that you control all culture and media in the world. Rupert Murdoch was happy with MySpace and had
no problems with their own piracy until it failed. Now he's complainting that Google is the biggest source of piracy
in the world - because he's jealous. He wants to retain his mind control over people and clearly you'd get a more
honest view of things on Wikipedia and Google than on Fox News.

Some facts (years, dates) are probably wrong in this press release. The reason is that we can't access this information
when Wikipedia is blacked out. Because of pressure from our failing competitors. We're sorry for that.

THE PIRATE BAY, (K)2012

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Re: Wikipedia's SOPA box
« Reply #30 on: January 21, 2012, 12:23:42 AM »
Can someone repost that here? Pirate Bay is blocked in Ireland. :grave
Wow really? Do you live in a free country? I could understand China or Iran or something...

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Re: Wikipedia's SOPA box
« Reply #31 on: January 21, 2012, 01:46:48 AM »
I would recommend an "Irish Spring" if I didn't use that brand of soap.
Hmm.

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Re: Wikipedia's SOPA box
« Reply #32 on: January 21, 2012, 06:26:49 AM »
Mudada.

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Re: Wikipedia's SOPA box
« Reply #33 on: January 21, 2012, 08:09:04 AM »
Also interesting to read is the pirate bay's SOPA message: https://static.thepiratebay.org/legal/sopa.txt
It relates how Hollywood got started by going around patents and ignoring copyright.
Can someone repost that here? Pirate Bay is blocked in Ireland. :grave
There's a DNS block on it here in Denmark as well. I just set things up to use a different DNS.

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Re: Wikipedia's SOPA box
« Reply #34 on: January 21, 2012, 04:04:05 PM »
How much time would one get for kicking lamar smith in the nuts i wonder?

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Re: Wikipedia's SOPA box
« Reply #35 on: January 21, 2012, 04:44:35 PM »
How much time would one get for kicking lamar smith in the nuts i wonder?
A check for a few hundred thousand dollars and a thank you from every sane person?

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Re: Wikipedia's SOPA box
« Reply #36 on: January 21, 2012, 06:46:48 PM »
Lamar Smith is sane.  He's also an idiot, but a sane one.

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« Reply #37 on: January 21, 2012, 06:52:00 PM »
How much time would one get for kicking lamar smith in the nuts i wonder?

I'll provide the steel toed boot.

I cannot confirm this since this is just from snippets of info from around, but from what I understand he's up for re-election in November.  However, he's running unopposed (again) and the person who was going to run against him, some electrician guy, missed the entry date by 1.  ....missing a date, running without any compitition, I didn't even know any of that was legal.  Sometime tells me that even if he got no votes he still will get another 2 years.

I've been making it my work to spread this story around, hoping that enough people know about it and react accordingly.  If you want to help, by all means spread this.  Hopefully it will stick.
Mudada.

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« Reply #38 on: January 21, 2012, 06:57:01 PM »
The reason he runs unopposed most years is because he's in a district that typically votes about 2:1 in favor of Republicans to everyone else.  Welcome to gerrymandering.

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« Reply #39 on: January 21, 2012, 07:11:31 PM »
The reason he runs unopposed most years is because he's in a district that typically votes about 2:1 in favor of Republicans to everyone else.  Welcome to gerrymandering.

That and the Republicans keep redistricting the state to minimize the Latino vote.
Hmm.