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« on: March 12, 2012, 09:43:19 PM »
So, this may sound like a bragging thread, and maybe it is a LITTLE, but not really.

Here's the deal.  My son is going to turn 2 in less than two weeks, and he's so brilliant that I have no idea what to do with him.  He's not talking (he's a late talker), and we have him in speech therapy... the therapist tells us he's about a year ahead of his peers cognitively (that's 50% of his life).  Just today he very purposefully drew a clock: a circle with 13 dots spaced around the edge (he miscounted slightly), and an H.

My wife and I want him to be challenged, and enjoy school, and not feel supremely lonely.  So, obviously public school is not going to cut it.  I'm just wondering if any of the brilliant people here had good/bad experiences with private school vs homeschooling.
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Re: homeschool vs private school
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2012, 09:58:23 PM »
My school life was hell until I went to homeschooling. But by then I was in High-school, and I've always been better at teaching myself. Which is what my homeschooling amounted to.
College was a complete change to me. Schooling I liked.

Only real input, any parent I talk to about the homeschooling they did for their kids when they were young basically involved how the amount of work and time they did (the parent) payed off for the kids. So it seems to me that you might want to think about how much time you have to spare when thinking about this. Though this will likely get much easier very quickly as Tech progresses.
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Re: homeschool vs private school
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2012, 10:14:52 PM »
I'm going to say something that will get me flamed.  By flamed, I mean incinerated by flame with the intensity of 1,000 suns.

Our public school system isn't all that bad.

The reason for failures in the public school system are socio-economic reasons, and they are not helped by the politicians that keep breathing fire at the teachers.  As such, the correct answer depends on this: When your kid is done with school, will one or more parents be home when he gets home?  Consider this both before and after factoring in private school tuition.  Way more important than home/public/private school is that his parents be home to get him to do his homework and to more sneakily continue his education once that's done.  Learning can't stop when he leaves school at the end of the day.

If you can afford private school tuition with both parents being at home at the end of the day, then go for it.  If not, then just put him in public school.  If you can't afford private school, then you're probably not going to be able to afford the lost income from home-schooling, either.

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« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2012, 10:31:29 PM »
The US public school system has its problems, but I agree with X-Codes that it's not all that bad.  Kids who are raised and taught well at home generally do well in school.

Perce, from what I've gathered about you I think whatever you decide to do will work just fine.

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Re: homeschool vs private school
« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2012, 10:38:56 PM »
Oh, I know the public school system isn't bad in most places, and in some places is quite good -- both my wife (in med school) and I (grad school astrophysics) were products of public school.  However, we were both insanely bored during class, and we also have had enough experience with the current public school setup to be very unhappy with it.  There's a lot of administrative pressure on the faculty to pass kids, so the students feel like it doesn't matter what they do and can just float through (and in general they're right).

Money shouldn't be an issue -- by the time my son is out of preschool we'll have two salaries, one of which will be a doctor's.  I just wanted to get a feeling of what it was like for others to be homeschooled... did you feel lonely and cut off from kids your own age?  What about at private school?
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Re: homeschool vs private school
« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2012, 10:43:40 PM »
I didn't do homeschooling, but my cousin did for a few years.  I never got the impression that he felt lonely or cut off from anyone.  He had plenty of friends in his neighborhood, so see if you have something similar in your area.

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« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2012, 11:28:25 PM »
Given the choice, private school.  there's a few advantages that people don't immediately think of.  One: immune system.  Kids who spend time with other kids grow up with better immune system, have less of a chance of developing diseases like asthma, and are hit less hard by allergies.  Two: social interactions.  friends are dang important.  Your kid can develope better interaction abilities with people in general if he is in contact with people, and just be a better person.  Parental guidance is also very important here too, yes, but people generally don't think about the friends thing.  And three: free thinking.  This is more of an anecdote, but I knew a homeschooled family when in highschool.  They lived across the street, and were good friends.  However, the kids did not learn to think for themselves, they thought the way their parents taught them.  Exposing them to new ideas might have helped them become better critical thinkers in my opinion.

Although, I'm going to echo X-Codes and say I wish our public school system got more love.  I'm a big fan of public education, everyone getting the best possible, not just those who can afford it.
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Re: homeschool vs private school
« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2012, 11:38:27 PM »
Can't judge for you, but I can share what I know:

My area is known for really poor public education, so my mother went to the trouble and expense of putting me in private school for most of my basic education. I did fairly well, tested high, but I also had social and physical challenges, and learning capacity that some teachers weren't able to handle. Despite being near failing at younger ages, I actually tested into a private 'school for the gifted' for my 7th and 8th grade years. While there, I tested, using state-standard generic tests, registering in the 98th percentile of a student two grades higher.

Expense and other issues kept me from continuing there into high school. (At that and the prior school, we always had one or two teachers who would say that I was very intelligent, but that the other teachers didn't know how to handle me, and that the treatment I was receiving was unfair.) I went to a local public highschool, but it was more due to my own begging to try it, combined with family pressure. My mother swore that at the first 'parent-teacher conference' she was called in for, she was yanking me and just doing it herself. This happened after about a month.

My homeschool experience is likely very non-standard, as we didn't use any kind of standard program or organization. As I understand it, most homeschooling is organized through an outside agency by mail, etc. Stuff like students in a region being able to get together for study groups, or other social activities.. I didn't have any of this.

If anything, THAT is my greatest regret for my education. My social contact was practically nil. (It's also my mother's biggest regret, as it put me behind the curve in a lot of ways socially.) I did have the internet, and my art. I learned computers, some early programming, and explored artwork, which eventually became my main focus. But it was a very unfocused, free-form education, and I know my irregular work habits and difficulty keeping to a schedule now are a result of this.

Now, education-wise, I did pretty well for myself. Tested into starting community-college classes a year in advance (our county allows high school students to take college classes with the principal's permission. When teacher, principal, etc, are one person, this is easy permission to get.) and maintained a decent A-/B+ average. (My english, art, and computer classes were top, but math and lab-science classes dragged me down.) Eventually, I moved up to university classes and only lost a half a grade point for that first semester. Two years ago I graduated with a bachelor of the arts and a 3.4 GPA.
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Re: homeschool vs private school
« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2012, 07:40:50 AM »
Home schooling is a full time endeavor. Like seriously full time.

And whoever is in-charge has to have all the time to plan and execute a self-developed curriculum that must be comprehensive yet remains fun and challenging for the child.

It is not going to be easy.
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Re: homeschool vs private school
« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2012, 09:54:15 AM »
Given the choice of Private School or Homeschooling, i'd have to say, both. At school they'll have social interactions, have friends, and they'll have teachers - people that studied for a good chunk of their lives to learn how to pass knowledge to others. At home, then, you can orient your son's education. Buy him encyclopedias, books, encourage him to read, to think for himself. Buy documentaries, show him that watching National Geographic or Discovery Channel can be fun. If he thinks that school is boring, then buy him a book with more advanced mathematics/physics/chemistry/whatever is boring him. If he's really getting to be more advanced then his peers, then you can take the talk to the school board, see if they can put him in a more advanced class. But don't deprive him of the school experience. Have him go to school, but guide him through it.
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Re: homeschool vs private school
« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2012, 10:04:55 AM »
My experience is only gut and anecdotal.  I'd suggest you consult a professional, even if only briefly.  And, bragging about children is a parent's prerogative.  I don't know if 2 is too young to really be worrying about these things, for instance. 

My (half-) brother was homeschooled for a while and I think the socialization, really lack thereof, was very hard on him.  So, I'd be very hesitant about that as I think it's a very important part of one's education, as is learning how to be a student.  Teaching is also a skill that has to be honed by serious experience -- teachers, especially better ones, really are value-added. 

Personally, I went to a private school for my early schooling, pre- and some elementary school, but due to financial reasons spent the vast majority of my education in public schools.  It worked out extremely well for me:  I have tons of latin on my resume/cv.  Magnet programs were a big help for me, though that's years in the future.

P.S.:  if it makes you feel any better, I am told I was very late in talking and I'm gregarious and reasonably articulate. 

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« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2012, 11:48:55 AM »
Okay, I do want to say two things.

First, about the Homeschool = social issues. My homeschooling was the same thing as Redwarlock. In fact, mine also started with being pulled out of public schools because of BS. (*at self* do. not. get. started.... *desire to rant suppressed* ... *ahem*)
Any source you get (such as books about homeschooling) tells you that for homeschooling there is a commandment: Thou Shalt Do Extra-Curricular Activities With Others.

When I was being homeschooled, I was a member of 5 different organizations.

Due to certain portions of my mental issues, I'll never be "fully socialized".

But I got more than enough socialization while being home-schooled. In fact, I was able to do more with the groups because I was homeschooled. I was able to do 4-H projects that I could count for credit in school. I wasn't spending 3 hours of classtime on repetition of what was said before, allowing me to be more efficient with my time. Which let me get out of the house more often (thus with other people).

So yeah, just wanted to offer at least one opinion about that, since everyone else was saying the opposite.

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My personal opinion is... coloured. Much of this is because I live in an area that has many, many, really, really, known-to-be-absolute-shit schools and school systems. Much more of my opinion is coloured by the fact that I wasn't in those systems, but rather was in a supposedly great one, and, ummmm.... I'm going to end it here, suffice it to say, there are a lot of really, really bad administrators, teachers, and other school / school board staff that I have every reason to vehemently despise the fact that any system could even allow people who are that bad at their jobs. (Though there were also good teachers. Just, a minority. One great teacher.)

So saying how good or bad it is or isn't is always going to be tainted by location of self and location of those around you. The only real picture we can use of the whole is the fact that the U.S. isn't doing as well, on average, as many other countries.
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Re: homeschool vs private school
« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2012, 05:14:20 PM »
I'd think that where possible, home education is to supplement the tangibles(standard syllabus, certification) and intangibles(socializing with more kids their age, 'open' social group) of schooling, not to replace them. With the former, you are looking at making up the combined efforts of dozens of people by yourself, you just can't be as wide spanning as they would be, and the latter is irreplaceable.

Better to take some time and effort to find a good school whose policies you can at least find neutral, even if it does take a significant commute.
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« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2012, 05:19:46 PM »
I'd think that where possible, home education is to supplement the tangibles(standard syllabus, certification) and intangibles(socializing with more kids their age, 'open' social group) of schooling, not to replace them. With the former, you are looking at making up the combined efforts of dozens of people by yourself, you just can't be as wide spanning as they would be, and the latter is irreplaceable.

Better to take some time and effort to find a good school whose policies you can at least find neutral, even if it does take a significant commute.

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Re: homeschool vs private school
« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2012, 06:05:22 PM »
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Google it, or try "baby sign time".
Toddlers can communicate before the can speak.
Of course, finding out about the poopy diaper
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« Reply #15 on: March 14, 2012, 06:10:36 PM »
We already have him signing -- we're not worried about the talking, he'll come around when he's ready.  He's learned two more words in the past couple days, so yay!
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« Reply #16 on: March 16, 2012, 04:45:09 PM »
Niice.
I mean there is no rush.
STEM isn't part of pre-school curriculum except tangentially.

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« Reply #17 on: March 16, 2012, 10:30:05 PM »
Depends on the child. I don't know your child so I can't say, nor do I believe you must make this decision now.

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« Reply #18 on: March 16, 2012, 11:27:58 PM »
imo

home schooling for 'ordinary people' (dont know if thats you all or not) should be fine for the first couple years.

after 6 or 7 kids should be interacting in groups for large parts of the day.

public school will hold down top tier performers. i imagine most private schools will also.

however, the established systems can identify (100gp pearl not included) special talent and provides extra tools.

in the end, once your kid is in a regular school, outside education is not excluded. its just a matter of how much time you devote to it. 
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« Reply #19 on: March 18, 2012, 08:58:26 PM »
Don't know much about home schooling, but I doubt the public school system is disastrous enough to kill him intellectually if you give him some stimuli out of school as well. People learn a great deal both in and out of school, so if your area has decent public schools, that could be a very good choice.

Personally I also think that the social interaction provided by public schools is vital as well...
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