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Since 3.5e Core will be reprinted, what are your thoughts?
« on: July 21, 2012, 03:00:29 PM »
You know ... it's nearly 10 year later.  The
mechanics feel rather different by now.
I get the impression that Core has some
specific superior choices.  It may be possible
to "solve" core game play.  Or at least get
close to better game operation.  Opinions?

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Re: Since 3.5e Core will be reprinted, what are your thoughts?
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2012, 03:09:15 PM »
Great, more PDFs to download...

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Re: Since 3.5e Core will be reprinted, what are your thoughts?
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2012, 11:57:24 AM »
I wonder if they will update or fix anything.  Like the latest version of wildshape errata and give Monks proficiency with unarmed strike.

I'm really hoping the 'best of' material is actually useful too and not just flavorful stuff like Samurai and True Necromancer b/c some designer likes it.

EDIT: my MM1 is 3.0 so I might actually buy that one...
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Re: Since 3.5e Core will be reprinted, what are your thoughts?
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2012, 02:07:39 PM »
I wonder if they will update or fix anything.  Like the latest version of wildshape errata and give Monks proficiency with unarmed strike.

I'm really hoping the 'best of' material is actually useful too and not just flavorful stuff like Samurai and True Necromancer b/c some designer likes it.

EDIT: my MM1 is 3.0 so I might actually buy that one...

What do you mean by "best of" material?

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Re: Since 3.5e Core will be reprinted, what are your thoughts?
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2012, 02:34:31 PM »
They're reprinting a small selection of non core books (subject to a vote I think), called the "Best of" ... it's up in the air whether the vote means anything or if it's just another plug to reprint whatever they want and get folks to buy it.

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Re: Since 3.5e Core will be reprinted, what are your thoughts?
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2012, 03:57:34 PM »
They're reprinting a small selection of non core books (subject to a vote I think), called the "Best of" ... it's up in the air whether the vote means anything or if it's just another plug to reprint whatever they want and get folks to buy it.

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I voted in that poll, but when was it announced that they were actually printing any of that stuff? It wasn't even a WotC poll, as far as I knew, and I remember it being more like, "if more stuff got reprinted from 3.5, which of these would you want to see reprinted?"

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Re: Since 3.5e Core will be reprinted, what are your thoughts?
« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2012, 08:53:27 PM »
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Re: Since 3.5e Core will be reprinted, what are your thoughts?
« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2012, 10:30:18 PM »
I seem to remember reading somewhere that the core re-prints would include errata. Am I imagining things?

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Re: Since 3.5e Core will be reprinted, what are your thoughts?
« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2012, 10:55:05 PM »
I seem to remember reading somewhere that the core re-prints would include errata. Am I imagining things?

No you're not imagining it, it's in the article JohnnyMayHymn linked. 
Quote from: http://wizards.com/dnd/Article.aspx?x=dnd/4news/20120625
On sale September 18, these 3.5 Edition premium reprints feature new covers and the latest errata
Note that it says the latest errata, not that they'd necessarily be writing new errata.
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Re: Since 3.5e Core will be reprinted, what are your thoughts?
« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2012, 10:59:21 PM »
The last sentence

Oh! Awesome! I had no idea that article existed...

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Re: Since 3.5e Core will be reprinted, what are your thoughts?
« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2012, 01:57:00 AM »
I seem to remember reading somewhere that the core re-prints would include errata. Am I imagining things?

No you're not imagining it, it's in the article JohnnyMayHymn linked. 
Quote from: http://wizards.com/dnd/Article.aspx?x=dnd/4news/20120625
On sale September 18, these 3.5 Edition premium reprints feature new covers and the latest errata
Note that it says the latest errata, not that they'd necessarily be writing new errata.

Cool, thank you - that link was blocked by the internet filter on the PC I am using.


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Re: Since 3.5e Core will be reprinted, what are your thoughts?
« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2012, 03:41:31 PM »
Everyone vote for ToB, maybe they'll incorporate the real errata.

EDIT: Does the survey appear broken to anyone else? All I get is a pair of horizontal blue lines on a white background, no text. Looks like a couple design elements from the page, with all the content missing.
« Last Edit: July 26, 2012, 03:46:05 PM by Bauglir »

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Re: Since 3.5e Core will be reprinted, what are your thoughts?
« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2012, 03:49:04 PM »
Same here... tried it both in firefox and IE....

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Re: Since 3.5e Core will be reprinted, what are your thoughts?
« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2012, 03:49:33 PM »
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Re: Since 3.5e Core will be reprinted, what are your thoughts?
« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2012, 06:23:53 PM »
Same here... tried it both in firefox and IE....
Could mean they took the poll down.  I voted in it earlier this month.

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Re: Since 3.5e Core will be reprinted, what are your thoughts?
« Reply #15 on: July 26, 2012, 08:55:58 PM »
Just mail them daily to add ToB Errata. Then if they screw things up, send them Anthrax. Be sure to tell them about this too.

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Re: Since 3.5e Core will be reprinted, what are your thoughts?
« Reply #16 on: July 26, 2012, 09:32:14 PM »
I wish they retrieved some of the best stuff in 3.0 as well and mash it in.
Like the having the "Keen" weapon ability stack with "Improved Critical" again.

Just sayin'...

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Re: Since 3.5e Core will be reprinted, what are your thoughts?
« Reply #17 on: July 26, 2012, 10:15:59 PM »
I wish they retrieved some of the best stuff in 3.0 as well and mash it in.
Like the having the "Keen" weapon ability stack with "Improved Critical" again.

Just sayin'...

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Re: Since 3.5e Core will be reprinted, what are your thoughts?
« Reply #18 on: July 27, 2012, 12:03:11 AM »
The thought it was too good, apparently. This seems an example of aesthetics trumping the math (I remember seeing a fairly competent analysis demonstrating that high-crit-range weapons needed this stacking to keep up with high-damage weapons).

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Re: Since 3.5e Core will be reprinted, what are your thoughts?
« Reply #19 on: July 27, 2012, 04:10:10 AM »
The thought it was too good, apparently. This seems an example of aesthetics trumping the math (I remember seeing a fairly competent analysis demonstrating that high-crit-range weapons needed this stacking to keep up with high-damage weapons).
Eh? Not only have I never seen such math, there is no way I'd believe it. Just look at the concept, everything gets the same increase (x3 to crit range) so everything remains exactly where they are now, but the numbers them selves have gone up. If anything, gaps would become wider, not closer and more balanced.

In fact, it's pretty damn simple to prove too. Let's say simple 18 Str for a +4 bonus (+6 THF), and ignore the auto miss of a 1 because the math is just plain easier that way at 3am. Average out the dice (d6=3.5, 2d4=5, etc). Per stacking multipliers, IM-Crit+Keen is x3 to Crit Range. Lastly, the total will be based on twenty attacks, one for each roll value rather than some fancy lie hidden in faulty percentages.

3.0 Stacking
Greatsword (15/x2): 338 = ((7+6)*14)+(((7+6)*2)*6)
Scimitar (12/x2): 275.5 = ((3.5+6)*11)+(((3.5+6)*2)*9)
Scythe (18/x4): 253 = ((5+6)*17)+(((5+6)*2)*3)

None-Stacking Style, aka 3.5
Greatsword (17/x2): 313 = ((7+6)*16)+(((7+6)*2)*4)
Scimitar (15/x2): 247 = ((3.5+6)*14)+(((3.5+6)*2)*6)
Scythe (19/x4): 242 = ((5+6)*18)+(((5+6)*2)*2)

Same ranking order, but gap between the Scythe and Greatsword widens from 71 points to 85 providing you with even less of an incentive to use anything other than a (Kaorti) Greatsword.