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Don't lose caster levels. Don't do eet.

Wizard >>>>>>>>> Rogue

Cleric is just as much a problemsolver as you are.

By the rolled ability scores and use of all core I see that your DM has basically no experience whatsoever, so be wary for nightmarishly over the top challenges and/or snapping his game in two the moment you cast a decent spell.

Acorn of Far Travel has always been and always will be the superior cross-plane trait method. It means only you get the benefits, so no-one can try and steal your amazing power.


Also from that mosslord:

Once a round, a mosslord can emit a powerful lance of focused psionic energy as a free action. It can target any creature with an Intelligence within 60 feet with this brainlance. The creature targeted must make a successful DC 24 Will saving throw or be stunned for 1d4 rounds and take 1d6 points of Intelligence damage. A successful Will save indicates that the target is dazed for 1 round, after which it can act normally; it is also immune to that particular mosslord's brainlance power for 24 hours. The save DC is Charisma-based.

That's pretty damn good, I must say.

I thought the MM5 was one specific creature which listed it's spellcasting as Ex?
Regardless, all of the line, from alter self through to shapechange, use the same base 'effect' and thus gain natural abilities.

Quote from: Scottzar on March 24, 2013, 06:32:20 AM

Polymorph copies spellcasting. This was one of LoP's dirty tricks, IIRC, but I can't find it. This is the core of the lvl 1 ethergaunt shuffle, but that's pretty sourcebook intense for all the + cl feats.

Like Soro, I don't ascribe to that interpretation. What shuffle though? DCFS? The Duskgiant or other HD shuffles are already more broken than polymorph. You can do them with WS, which is strong but not broken.

It's not an 'interpretation'. It's proven fact. (Not sure if Read-as-Written is the correct term, given the mechanics are derived via process of elimination within the given ruleset, although unlike with true dragons this doesn't conflict with examples)
Ethergaunt shuffle is getting high enough base CL, via reserves of strength and such, and then going
Alterself/Polymorph into red etherguant > Have more spellcasting effective level >Polymorph into white ethergaunt >Draconic polymorph/PaO into Black ethergaunt >+17 to your effective spellcasting level

Also completely incorrect.

Bloodlines don't get applied to your character like LA at all. I've got to check leveling up, but I think bloodlines are just something you can get for free because >RAW, lol.
The alternative is you never level up again if you don't go down XP, so I've got to check.

Polymorph copies spellcasting. This was one of LoP's dirty tricks, IIRC, but I can't find it. This is the core of the lvl 1 ethergaunt shuffle, but that's pretty sourcebook intense for all the + cl feats.

That's all you really need.


I must ask: if 28 dex, +9 deflection bonus, perma invis and immunity to SR checking magic are considered normal for a 4th level spell, what spells are you casting which give these levels of benefit?

Wow what.
Multipliers in D&D are really simple.

Basically, a multiplier isn't something you multiply with. It's a base X1 + a number of extra sets of the damage. When collecting multiple multipliers, you just get a single base X1 + all the extra sets of damage.

Hence the multiplier would be 1 +1 (BJ) + 1 (Valorous) +1 (lance) + 1 (spirited charge) +1 (riding boots).

This is basic stuff, how do you not know it?

Where are you getting the multiplier from combat brute? It doesn't multiply anything.

I posted something similar to this before but it was eaten by the board, so tell me if I skip a sentence.

The question is "what did you first notice" and "what first got you excited/what did you first try." I play with medical doctors, professors, and psychologists who are likely much smarter than you, yet have a very feeble grasp of the power curve in DnD despite years of play. Why would you expect what you define as logic? Because you defined it? Oh, right.

First off, I'd like to say that starting by moving the goalposts followed by an insult is incredibly creative. 10/10, would be called stupid again.

""The question is "what did you first notice" and "what first got you excited/what did you first try."""
No, it isn't. The question is:

What was the first time you went "Holy crap!" and built a character around something you thought was powerful? Your first build, as it were? How'd you get into CharOp?

Which is illogical. When I see an inconsistency such as crafting cl idiocy, I don't immediately abuse it because I'm not a game ruining asshole, at least not intentionally.
You don't bring it to a CO forum because that sort of thing is incredibly basic and known by 99.99% of any CO community, and our theoretical past self at this point doesn't even know about CO communities (which makes no sense who doesn't research a product before buying it?).

I love the baseless insult, really classy. The fact that someone is academically proven and even intelligent has no bearing on whether they have read the rules or not. 90+% of people who play 3.5 don't read the rules, they just sort of roll along and look stuff up when it comes up, or houserule it past.

I would expect what I implied to be logical because the moment I read core crafting I saw the cl clause, which is clearly open ended and broken. The moment I read forcecage or solid fog I saw that it basically instantly beats any character (solid fog on the condition that FoM isn't in play). Anyone who reads wildshape or polymorph can clearly see the potential for stealing OP creature abilities, which then continued into the potential for stealing creature spellcasting (though I'll admit the idea I had at that time was for a solar!wizard who abused a superior spell-list and stats for great justice). It didn't take me long to see that awaken has massive abuse potential, to start with on the druids animal companion, and then following with wildshape shenanigans.
I wouldn't say I'm the most intelligent person in the world, and in particular my creativity, which is what most CO really measures, is one of my worst (and probably sub-average) mental attributes. And yet I could easily break the core with a cursory glance. Obviously anyone with average+ creativity could do better.

I don't understand the question. Anyone who takes a cursory look at 3.5's core, possibly 3.0's, and definitely 2nd's splats can immediately see a plenitude of game-breaking abuse.

Everyone who has read core and done grade, what, 3(?) maths would be able to spot things like the crafting inconsistency or the fact that some spells render 50% of classes useless without going through any of the inherent balance mechanisms (e.g. saves) of the system.


The implication that anyone who has read the rules can't make a nigh-unstoppable character is illogical.

Poisoner’s Breath (Su) Sertrous’s breath fills a 240-foot-radius
spread around him. Any creature that breathes this
foul air must succeed on a DC 33 Fortitude save or be
sickened for 1 round. This breath suppresses any immunity
to poison a victim possesses for as long as it remains
within the area plus an additional 2d6 rounds after it
leaves the area.

Elder Evils, page 115 - 116

I assume this is what you remember.