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Re: Riverside View (still very WIP)
« Reply #20 on: September 11, 2013, 07:16:14 PM »
Spirits and ghosts are technically undead creatures in D&D. You can't get around that without making a new creature type just for spirits just to have a fluff that sits nicely with this just so you can actually say undead have nothing to do with Komachi's job if it were translated into D&D.

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Re: Riverside View (still very WIP)
« Reply #21 on: September 11, 2013, 10:17:03 PM »
Normally when someone dies, his soul becomes a petitioner. Those are outsiders, not undead. That is the 'natural' way of things.
Which makes sense.

Revenant spirits and ghosts are souls bound with negative energy and kept away from their judgement, and are thus bound out of the cycle of rebirth. A shinigami would rather free such creatures of their undeath than make more of them, so I'd actually agree that they indeed could have a part in Komachi's or the shinigami's job - just the opposite of making some.
When you are making zombies and skeletons, you stray even father from the concept of the spirit and go straight to 'enslavement' of the soul, or at least to their containment to make it easier to use them for trade or keep them like a fridge to eat/consume them later, if you're into that.

On the other side, asking for someone to pay you and then needing to undeadify them so that they can get on your boat is ridiculous.
If they can pay and do so they can certainly get on the boat by themselves.

Since you're mentioning it, though, I'll note that there is actually a 'Spirit' creature subtype. Last time I saw it was in Oriental Adventure.
Just thought you'd like to know.
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Re: Riverside View (still very WIP)
« Reply #22 on: September 12, 2013, 03:39:37 AM »
Which is probably why os gave the Maernno-something or other yugoloth doods that use this discipline a version of Animate Dead that allows making ghosts/spirits instead of zombies/skeletons.

I mean, Komachi isn't exploding the spirits of people who have passed on in your face, is she? Thats just rude, and probably wrong as I think it was mentioned somewhere that those specific spirits are not allowed to pass on after being weaponized like so?
They could just likely be the spirits of people/creatures that can't or won't or have not earned the right to pass on to a normal afterlife. Much like Prinnies from Disgaea. No?

I'm just coming up with a way to have it make sense to me *shrugs*.

As for the Spirit subtype in OA, that type was just sorta made out as an umbrella term for many magical creatures such as fey, elementals, outsiders, even dragons. Sure undead is on that as well, but again it is just a subtype and Undead is still what the creature's type actually is.

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Re: Riverside View (still very WIP)
« Reply #23 on: September 12, 2013, 03:58:27 AM »
I mean, Komachi isn't exploding the spirits of people who have passed on in your face, is she? Thats just rude, and probably wrong as I think it was mentioned somewhere that those specific spirits are not allowed to pass on after being weaponized like so?
They could just likely be the spirits of people/creatures that can't or won't or have not earned the right to pass on to a normal afterlife. Much like Prinnies from Disgaea. No?

Well, it's certainly a more imaginative hell than Utsuho's home. Being used as explosive cannon fodder?

Though they don't have the penguin outfits... :(

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Re: Riverside View (still very WIP)
« Reply #24 on: September 12, 2013, 04:09:17 AM »
I mean, Komachi isn't exploding the spirits of people who have passed on in your face, is she? Thats just rude, and probably wrong as I think it was mentioned somewhere that those specific spirits are not allowed to pass on after being weaponized like so?
They could just likely be the spirits of people/creatures that can't or won't or have not earned the right to pass on to a normal afterlife. Much like Prinnies from Disgaea. No?

Well, it's certainly a more imaginative hell than Utsuho's home. Being used as explosive cannon fodder?

Though they don't have the penguin outfits... :(

Just need some version of Thematic Spell (Penguin Costume) but for martial maneuvers....  :lmao

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Re: Riverside View (still very WIP)
« Reply #25 on: September 12, 2013, 07:58:58 AM »
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Which is probably why os gave the Maernno-something or other yugoloth doods that use this discipline a version of Animate Dead that allows making ghosts/spirits instead of zombies/skeletons.
It isn't instead of zombies/skeletons; it is as well as.
The kind of spirit it raises are also undead creatures and do fit with Touhou's evil spririts. Evil spirits in Touhou are what happens to the souls of the deceased when a youkai takes them over before a shinigami manages to cross them to the other side of the river.
So that works, the yugoloth being the enemies of the shinigami and all.

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I mean, Komachi isn't exploding the spirits of people who have passed on in your face, is she? Thats just rude, and probably wrong as I think it was mentioned somewhere that those specific spirits are not allowed to pass on after being weaponized like so?
They could just likely be the spirits of people/creatures that can't or won't or have not earned the right to pass on to a normal afterlife. Much like Prinnies from Disgaea. No?
I already covered this. Here is the entire post if you missed it: Link
It follows the principle that what she is exploding around are evil spirits and ghost-like spirits. Since those are happens when a youkai takes them over before she can do her job, exploding them would be akin to releasing them. It serves well that it also helps her in combat.
Which means that she can then ferry them again. She is helping those poor souls, doing actual shinigami work. They aren't far thematically to the spirits in Ten Desires. Those got eaten and exploded and so on, but it was explained that they aren't actual 'souls'.
The yugoloth's splody spirits are interesting mechanically and they fit what would be a yugoloth perversion of shinigami arts, but it is different.

Oh, and the Prinnies from Disgaea are Disgaea's version of the petitioners. They were judged and then sent to some hell/heaven. Hence why there are prinnies in hell and heaven. ...though I recall those hells/heavens to be more of the buddhist kind since there is a work-your-ass-off system that allowed you to leave it by reincarnation after you suffered/worked enough.

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I'm just coming up with a way to have it make sense to me *shrugs*.
Spare yourself.
It is all much clearer if you begin with the notion that yugoloths aren't shinigamis. And vice versa. What he made is an unrelated creature that has thematic similarities; like those other monsters built-in with touhou disciplines without being touhou creatures themselves. That's all.
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Re: Riverside View (still very WIP)
« Reply #26 on: September 12, 2013, 09:37:19 AM »
Whatever. You can basically just replace the word yugoloth with whichever creature you want if you were to play it because it is merely the fluff. Dood is set on yugoloths, its just arguing clashing opinions.

I like how everything is going together. Fluff is just fluff and can be reworked to fit personal tastes when it comes into play as some one's PC if they wish to fit that to better suit their needs.

I really kinda like my Prinny interpretation enough to want to do something like that in regards to using this discipline when it is finished. :)

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Re: Riverside View (still very WIP)
« Reply #27 on: September 12, 2013, 10:38:13 AM »
Indeed, its just fluff, so it would be simpler and better to just keep Yugoloth stuff in the monster classes and replace all yugoloth mentions in this school with shinigami and the Ministry of What's Right and What's Wrong. If they are yugoloths in some campaign, they can replace it themselves, if that is their personal taste.
It is easier to replace something indefinite that can be interpreted with something fixed than replacing something fixed with another. Like algebra.

Whether the shinigami are psychopomps in a setting or fiendish pirates in another, as long as they are an interpretation of the shinigami, it is fine.

Right now they aren't even mentioned and the fluff just doesn't fit the spirit of what it aims to define. It is like making a school for Suika and displaying an alcoholic race of celestials to represent Suika's group. Just because, hey, they drink a lot. And Suika drinks a lot too. Perfect match.
And then try to explain why it can fit anyway for some reason and try to end the issue by saying its just fluff and and can be reworked to fit personal tastes.

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I like how everything is going together.
I guess you can like something and yet have to try to make up ways to have it make sense to yourself. More reasons to let interpretation start at the variable rather than the fixed number.
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Re: Riverside View (still very WIP)
« Reply #28 on: September 12, 2013, 08:56:48 PM »
Sigh, I just don't get why you're so adamant about explaining why some one's opinion or interpretation is wrong. There isn't really a right answer here.

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Re: Riverside View (still very WIP)
« Reply #29 on: September 12, 2013, 10:10:42 PM »
There is definitely a wrong answer, though.
I'm not the first person to object the notion of fiendish pirates as guide of the souls.

He explained why he thought it was the right way to go, giving statements explaining his position. For each statement, I gave some of my own, explaining why I believe it isn't.
I am answering, and further explain whenever I get a retort. I try not to ignore people.
If you consider the act of not ignoring statements stubbornness or being adamant, then yes, I am.
I like accuracy so I try to help when I think I see something wrong and try inform when something isn't known.
If I am wrong I welcome some cognitive statements, hopefully solid ones based on valid documentation, that can teach me in turn.
I also despise logical fallacies.

Hope that answers your question.
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Re: Riverside View (still very WIP)
« Reply #30 on: September 13, 2013, 09:19:44 AM »
7th level maneuvers added.

There is definitely a wrong answer, though.
I'm not the first person to object the notion of fiendish pirates as guide of the souls.

He explained why he thought it was the right way to go, giving statements explaining his position. For each statement, I gave some of my own, explaining why I believe it isn't.
I am answering, and further explain whenever I get a retort. I try not to ignore people.
If you consider the act of not ignoring statements stubbornness or being adamant, then yes, I am.
I like accuracy so I try to help when I think I see something wrong and try inform when something isn't known.
If I am wrong I welcome some cognitive statements, hopefully solid ones based on valid documentation, that can teach me in turn.

One more time with valor then!

Indeed, its just fluff, so it would be simpler and better to just keep Yugoloth stuff in the monster classes and replace all yugoloth mentions in this school with shinigami and the Ministry of What's Right and What's Wrong. If they are yugoloths in some campaign, they can replace it themselves, if that is their personal taste.
It is easier to replace something indefinite that can be interpreted with something fixed than replacing something fixed with another. Like algebra.

Whether the shinigami are psychopomps in a setting or fiendish pirates in another, as long as they are an interpretation of the shinigami, it is fine.

Right now they aren't even mentioned and the fluff just doesn't fit the spirit of what it aims to define. It is like making a school for Suika and displaying an alcoholic race of celestials to represent Suika's group. Just because, hey, they drink a lot. And Suika drinks a lot too. Perfect match.
You mean how your own Divine Fluff describes Reiuji Utsuho as the one who went after Yataragasu and then turned her into some kind of super-magiscientist, when the touhou fluff states that it was Kanako who did it, and Reiuji Utsuho kept being a hollow headed bird?

First, I mention shinigami on the second discipline feat "Fallen and Ruined shinigami", that just happens to be one of Komachi's official titles.

Because you see, whatever they may've been in the past, touhou shinigamis have fallen into corruption. Komachi takes orders from Sikieiki Yamaxanadu, that in turn is an animated statue that lives in hell and basically only gets obeyed by personally beating the crap out of others herself (and even then the moment she turns her eyes away, her subordinates resume following their personal agendas).

You claim that shinigamis should despise undeads, but Komachi is perfectly fine with Yuyuko and the netherworld, and she herself uses and abuses the spirits of the dead.

And no, TH 13 spirits are TH 13 spirits made out of desires and not actual human souls (as pointed out by Yuyuko), and Komachi herself repeats several times on PoFV that destroying non-TH13 spirits before they cross the river will stop them from reincarnating, even trying to use it as an excuse for her lazyness ("Souls were... that's right, shut-ins that were full of jealousy, so I extinguished them before they could cross the river.")

Komachi also happens to offer her ferrying services to the living for money, again from her dialogues in PoFV.

As for the Ministry of What's Right and What's Wrong, since you completely neglected to both mention the mountain pantheon and Utsusho's master and colleagues, I don't see why I should mention an "organization" that consists of two members for all we know, and that gets along exceptionally bad by Touhou standards. At least Mei Ling keeps the Scarlet Devil mansions gardens pretty and doesn't let weeds grow all over the place.
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Re: Riverside View (still very WIP)
« Reply #31 on: September 13, 2013, 09:37:24 AM »
... did you just call the Yama a statue? Seriously? She might live in hell (Yamaxanadu is Judge of Paradise, and PMiSS gives her location as... the far side of the Sanzu River and not hell), but that's because her entire raison d'ĂȘtre is to judge the dead. Eiki is absolutely not evil, else everyone would go to hell. And I cannot work out where 'living statue' comes into things. :eh

The 'but your fluff is worse thing' doesn't really pass muster. The two paragraphs, summed up? Hell raven eats yatagarasu. Hell raven gains nuclear powers. Tries to burn world. Gets stopped. Okay, that's the first part--and the plot of SA. No changes there. Then there's 'approached by people that want to use this power' (Kanako). Scientists? Umm... I'm pretty sure that the kappa are involved in stuff. So the background fluff doesn't actually deviate from Touhou at all.

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Re: Riverside View (still very WIP)
« Reply #32 on: September 13, 2013, 10:29:12 AM »
Yes, Sikieiki Yamaxanadu is a statue that gathered enough worshipers to gain divine ranks herself, as detailed on Oriental and Sacred place.

As for her residence in Hell, it's right on the first line of her PoFV profile. Also last time I checked her speeches to the Touhou characters all boil down to "Hmm, you're going to hell if I have any say on that".

Besides you can't deny that they're doing a pretty lousy job, there's ghosts and people coming back to life all over the place and Komachi somehow is still loaded with money. Sikieiki is, at least, closing her eyes to a lot of shady dealings for that to be possible.

Meanwhile Kappas were against the whole SA plot, since Nitori herself allies with Marisa to take down Utshusho. Which in turn just wanted to watch the world burn while Divine Flame claims she wanted to conquer it.

And then Divine Flame also claims that Crystallized Silver is BFF with nuclear energy, nevermind Utshusho trying to kill Cirno every single time they meet.


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Re: Riverside View (still very WIP)
« Reply #33 on: September 13, 2013, 10:51:08 AM »
She is not, however, a statue. Much like humans aren't tree-dwelling apes that don't reach waist-high, and chickens aren't the sort of thing you'd really describe as a dinosaur.

Her first line in PoFV says hell. PMiSS has Higan. Saying that 'resides in hell, therefore evil' is applicable Touhou logic also doesn't work. Hello, Rin. And Utsuho, who's too stupid to really be evil in any sense. Even worse logic is using her speeches--she's not saying that she wants to send people to hell, she's giving a warning. You know, telling people what they ought to change. Her character is specifically described as moralising--when she does show up she starts lecturing people to change their ways.

Komachi is doing a lousy job because she's a slacker. This has no reflection on her superior. It's arguing that a judge is doing a bad job because the criminal hasn't been brought before them--when she actually notices that something has gone wrong, she showed up (since that's kind of why she's in PoFV, except in her own route where she comes back to check if the lectures sunk in...)

Yes, the kappa weren't involved in Subterranean Animism. They were later on. Who the hell else is going to use all the power? Kanako is only one person.

The Divine Flame and Crystallised Silver thing is a reference to a joke ship. People decided to ship based on a pun. Cold Fusion.

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Re: Riverside View (still very WIP)
« Reply #34 on: September 13, 2013, 12:57:38 PM »
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You mean how your own Divine Fluff describes Reiuji Utsuho as the one who went after Yataragasu and then turned her into some kind of super-magiscientist, when the touhou fluff states that it was Kanako who did it, and Reiuji Utsuho kept being a hollow headed bird?
I wrote that she found and swallowed it. If the part that she was told by a voice that she could do that feels like a necessary addition to you, I'll put it in, no problem.
I don't see the part where I say she turned into a super magi-scientist.
She helped scientists, which corresponds to her contribution with Kanako's group and the kappa in getting the reactor going. If something doesn't work, I'll correct. I did tell you that.

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And then Divine Flame also claims that Crystallized Silver is BFF with nuclear energy, nevermind Utshusho trying to kill Cirno every single time they meet.
That is a strange claim you put into my mouth. The presence of the feat does not lead to some kind of special, particular 'friendship'. I was also amused by the idea of Cold Fusion, since they are both dumb and cold fusion is seen as junk science. Every discipline could be joined with another by a similar feat. I thought I'd make more but never mustered the motivation. Perhaps if there is a discipline made that is well affiliated to it I could make another one for it. Venerable Battlefield could work, do you want a discipline synergy feat with the two?

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First, I mention shinigami on the second discipline feat "Fallen and Ruined shinigami", that just happens to be one of Komachi's official titles.

Because you see, whatever they may've been in the past, touhou shinigamis have fallen into corruption. Komachi takes orders from Sikieiki Yamaxanadu, that in turn is an animated statue that lives in hell and basically only gets obeyed by personally beating the crap out of others herself (and even then the moment she turns her eyes away, her subordinates resume following their personal agendas).
You just made it and now wave it around like it was your intent all along.
Your Yugoloth group ain't working for a statue that became a god either. Nevermind serving an actual soul-judging deity.
Yugoloths work for other yugoloths but they are all mercenaries to a degree. Shikieiki judges and distributes the souls among the different afterlives. Which fits the profile of the judge administering the cycle or rebirth.
No Yugoloth would do that. Ever.
She judges between right and wrong and tries to be fair.
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That's because you're slacking off. Listen to me,
we are ones who judge the sins during one's lifetime.
Ones who judge sins must
always be impartial.
A fiend would only judge between wrong and wrong.
While she lectures people along the way when not judging souls in Higan, she tries to straighten people with bad habits - trying to help people be better before their judgement shows that she has the interests of others at heart to a point, not that she is fishing for excuses to send everyone to hell.
Putting Touhou in a distant future where shinigamis are corrupted is an interesting idea, I'll give you that, but besides laziness there is no real corruption going on. And that is only coming from one shinigami as far as we know. Shikieiki's comment implies that the others are apparently doing a good job.
So. If now your position is to clearly separate the Touhou shinigami and the yugoloth, get rid of them to replace them with fiends (which makes sense since they really aren't alike at all, glad you now realize that), then why even bother using a 'future of Touhou' version of things instead of the 'current Touhou lore'; the one in which Zun is involved. As is, Touhou lore here is just some footnote in a feat reduced to the state of 'legends'. Weird coming from the world where things go when they become mere legends.

Incidently, Fallen and Ruined shinigami is one of the title given her in the Wild and Horned Hermit (which is later changed in the same book a few chapters later to Guide of the Sanzu River, apparently her problems got fixed somewhere in between), in which we actually get to see her trying to get some work done and she explains her job a little. Like why she isn't personally trying to destroy certain immortal wannabes; they all have their job and that isn't hers, same as why she didn't take Tenshi. We even see Seiga getting attacked by a being sent by shinigami organization.

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You claim that shinigamis should despise undeads, but Komachi is perfectly fine with Yuyuko and the netherworld, and she herself uses and abuses the spirits of the dead.
The netherworld is one of the final destination souls are sent to after being judged.
As stated a few times as well, if Yuyuko was an abomination to take care of, it wouldn't be Komachi's job to deal with her.
She does not create undead creatures, that is for sure. And as I've covered in the combat style, the spirits she abuses are not actual souls free to be judged. More like phantoms and evil spirits, which are a very different thing.
Quote from: Perfect Memento
After death, humans pass through the Chuuu Road, cross over the Sanzu River, and receive Yama's judgment. Depending on severity of their crimes, they are sent to Hell, to the Netherworld, to Heaven, or to other places.

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And no, TH 13 spirits are TH 13 spirits made out of desires and not actual human souls (as pointed out by Yuyuko), and Komachi herself repeats several times on PoFV that destroying non-TH13 spirits before they cross the river will stop them from reincarnating, even trying to use it as an excuse for her lazyness ("Souls were... that's right, shut-ins that were full of jealousy, so I extinguished them before they could cross the river.")
You are repeating what I am saying. Indeed these spirits are not souls.
Like them, phantoms and evil spirits can be used as danmaku without any lasting amoral consequences.
The problematic spirits in PoFV are ghosts. Ghosts by default cannot pass on to their judgement and access the cycle of reincarnation. The transition into Dnd is convenient because you must destroy such undead creatures to allow their souls to pass on.

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Komachi also happens to offer her ferrying services to the living for money, again from her dialogues in PoFV.
Correct.
Komachi like the psychopomps do not normally ferry living creatures through.
But Komachi, like most Touhou characters, is an eccentric of its kind and offered Reimu passage. It is very questionable offer, however, which makes difficult to guess exactly what was her intentions. She said to Marisa that the "For living humans, the width of the Sanzu no Kawa is infinite", so although she would have ferried Reimu, she would have never made it to the other side, which also makes sense now that I know more about Higan and its Perfect Memento block as it states that because of the Sanzu River the living cannot reach it. She warned/threatened to dump Marisa in the river if she tried to have her cross anyway, so perhaps that is what she had in mind for Reimu as well.
It wouldn't be surprising since she is trying to get rid of people getting in the way of her slacking off work, and she believes that: "the only humans who come to Muenzuka are the ones that want to die."

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As for the Ministry of What's Right and What's Wrong, since you completely neglected to both mention the mountain pantheon and Utsusho's master and colleagues, I don't see why I should mention an "organization" that consists of two members for all we know, and that gets along exceptionally bad by Touhou standards. At least Mei Ling keeps the Scarlet Devil mansions gardens pretty and doesn't let weeds grow all over the place.
More than two people. Shikieiki mentions that there are other yamas, whom got shinigamis of their own ferrying them souls to judge. Who apparently aren't slacking off. Komachi also mentions there being other shinigami, in the WaHH, at least.
I didn't mention Utsuho's master since, unlike the discipline based on Komachi's job, her ability to perform nuclear fusion has nothing to do with her.
If you want Kanako or her voice, or even Satori, added into the fluff, as I previously stated, I don't mind.


There are some points that you missed:
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if someone has done too much evil during their lifetime, they may even not be able to cross the river.
That quote doesn't actually suggests that the shinigami doesn't allow them to cross the river. Perhaps because they get turned into evil spirits before a shinigami gets to guide them through the river or because they become ghosts instead of becoming a soul waiting for the ferryman. Perfect Memento also mentions that it is somehow possible for people to get a negative amount of money from what is generated off the assets of the amount of people mourning their loss, and that those people cannot cross the river and thus usually get thrown in the river. Either way, it suggests that particularly wicked people are simply unable to do it for some reason.
A yugoloth wouldn't care about evil people going through as long as they get paid. They still wouldn't ferry souls around though. Since they are trading material and would be seized to become part of their personal wealth.

As I also said regarding your idea of reverse fluffing, if you're trying to portray Touhou, perhaps you should use Touhou. If you're replacing it with your own fanfic version of Touhou where the shinigami, their entire organization and system are replaced by fiend pirates, then why even make it about Touhou at all? Seems a little ironic that someone who wants to DM a campaign happening in Gensokyo during the events of Touhou has to refluff your Touhou stuff to make it fit.
Not a big issue, I'd agree, but I'm a little surprised to see that coming from someone who appears to like Touhou so much.

Again, there is still the issue of Komachi's job being to ferry souls to lead them to their judgement. Yugoloth do not judge souls, and they have nothing similar to the Ministry of What's Right and What's Wrong.

They also wouldn't use money to fight, since they are greedy and would rather keep that money for themselves even if they go to some commune treasury. They want personal wealth. A shinigami that doesn't covet personal wealth would have no problem with using money for combat that doesn't return in their pockets.

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Saying that 'resides in hell, therefore evil' is applicable Touhou logic also doesn't work. Hello, Rin. And Utsuho, who's too stupid to really be evil in any sense.
I totally agree with the statement but the example isn't really correct.
I wouldn't say that Rin isn't evil. Probably neutral at best. Can't really say about Utsuso either since she is all over the place.
I do recall that Suika has been sort of living in Heaven for a while, and Tenshi isn't super good either.

Also, thanks for mentioning the Higan. I hadn't looked into it and its relationship with everything else is interesting.
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Re: Riverside View (still very WIP)
« Reply #35 on: September 13, 2013, 04:29:20 PM »
I didn't say that Rin is evil. I said the exact opposite. Ditto with Utsuho--decision to try and burn the world aside, she hasn't really done anything bad, and she's kinda... dumb. I still question how she got 'Satori is going to be mad at me' to 'BURN EVERYTHING'.

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« Reply #36 on: September 13, 2013, 04:49:00 PM »
I know, which is why I'm saying I think you might be wrong in thinking she isn't evil.
Edit: I mean, I'm not saying she is evil either, just that it might not be the best example to illustrate your point. The alignment of a necromancer is usually arguable.
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Re: Riverside View (still very WIP)
« Reply #37 on: September 13, 2013, 07:03:49 PM »
Well... she doesn't really do any necromancy. Driving evil spirits to the surface to get attention and having fairies dress up as zombies don't really count. :lmao

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Re: Riverside View (still very WIP)
« Reply #38 on: September 13, 2013, 08:33:38 PM »
After reading more on her I guess you're right. There is a necromancy vibe to her but she doesn't really fit the typical necromancer profile.
She also sounds like a pretty nice person as for as Touhou characters go.

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Re: Riverside View (still very WIP)
« Reply #39 on: September 15, 2013, 02:38:07 PM »
...where the hell was *this* when I last looked for it.
I could have sworn... I really don't get it.  :nonono