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Re: Across the Table (OOC Discussion)
« Reply #860 on: June 18, 2014, 02:10:02 PM »
Awesome, I was just checking. Can't wait to see what you come up with for a Warlord.
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Re: Across the Table (OOC Discussion)
« Reply #861 on: June 18, 2014, 02:30:41 PM »
Question: Which version of Alertness are we using? The newer version of Alertness grants surprised immunity instead of just negating combat advantage, but this change comes in Essentials, which is not among the allowed sources.

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Re: Across the Table (OOC Discussion)
« Reply #862 on: June 18, 2014, 03:17:13 PM »
Besides, Warlords are awesome. They're great buffers, and anyone who can give me more attacks is A-OK in my book.  :D

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Re: Across the Table (OOC Discussion)
« Reply #863 on: June 18, 2014, 03:21:16 PM »
Besides, Warlords are awesome. They're great buffers, and anyone who can give me more attacks is A-OK in my book.  :D

I've never made one before, we'll see how awesome I am.   :p

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Re: Across the Table (OOC Discussion)
« Reply #864 on: June 18, 2014, 03:30:51 PM »
We are not using the essentials books. So it would be the former version of Alertness.
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Re: Across the Table (OOC Discussion)
« Reply #865 on: June 18, 2014, 07:31:57 PM »
If I go the Implement Expertise route: do warlocks prefer rods or orbs?

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Re: Across the Table (OOC Discussion)
« Reply #866 on: June 18, 2014, 08:39:36 PM »
More rods have curse-specific benefits, while I believe orbs ate more geared toward benefiting your control powers. However, Warlocks don't get proficiency in orbs without a feat. Maybe you meant wands, which tend to grant greater accuracy, debuff your enemies, and allow you to use arcane powers from another class as an encounter (or sometimes daily) power. All implements tend to have other effects as well, especially at higher levels, that are more worthwhile depending on your character's specific needs.

I believe there's a rod that allows you to curse all enemies ina burst in some circumstance, which is pretty great. Otherwise, it's really more up to your personal style, and whether something works well for you. You can also retrain a single feat at every level, if you like.
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Re: Across the Table (OOC Discussion)
« Reply #867 on: June 19, 2014, 02:08:21 AM »
http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=930960

Other than name, fluff, and equipment i think im done.  Any thoughts on what i have so far?

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Re: Across the Table (OOC Discussion)
« Reply #868 on: June 19, 2014, 08:15:01 AM »
Looks good so far. I do have one minor thing for consideration. Scythes are two handed weapons. Which means if you eventually get a magic implement you'd be spending a minor action to retrieve the implement and another minor to stow it away when you want to use the scythe again. If you already are aware of that fact and accept it then all is good.

As for fluff, are you thinking of using Ulban the Messenger as your pact's patron, or do you want to work with me on devising some other unfathomable entity from the far realm?
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Re: Across the Table (OOC Discussion)
« Reply #869 on: June 19, 2014, 08:22:28 AM »
Also, as a Human you get a bonus at-will power.
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Re: Across the Table (OOC Discussion)
« Reply #870 on: June 19, 2014, 09:43:47 AM »
If you're looking for a power that will let you use that scythe more effectively, Eldritch Strike would be a good option for an extra at-will.

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Eldritch Strike          Warlock 1
The dire power of your attack drives your enemy before you.
At-Will    *    Arcane, Weapon
Standard Action      Melee weapon
Target: One creature
Attack: Charisma or Constitution vs. AC
Hit: 1[W] + Charisma or Constitution modifier damage, and you slide the target 1 square.
Increase damage to 2[W] + Charisma or Constitution modifier at 21st level.
Special: When you take this power, you determine whether you use Charisma or Constitution for the power’s attack roll and damage roll. This choice remains throughout the character’s life.
This power counts as a melee basic attack. You can choose this power instead of eldritch blast as the power associated with your Eldritch Blast class feature.

So basically, this allows you to use your Con for the attack and damage and counts as a Melee Basic attack, and slides an enemy away from you so it's easier to get away. The downside, of course, is the mechanical aspect of the weapon itself. Since it's a Heavy Blade, it doesn't qualify for becoming a Pact Blade later on, a Magic weapon which can be used as an implement. That's restricted to light blades. Maybe Melblen could make an exception, though we hadn't really come across any magic items yet anyway so it's kind of moot this early in the game. If you take the Swordmage multiclass feat later on (you qualify with the base requirement of 13 con and 13 int), however, you gain proficiency in their implements, which includes Heavy Blades. Plus, one of the feats grants you the Swordbond feature, which allows you to pull your weapon to your hand from a distance (or maybe it teleports, I'm not sure), and if the weapon's destroyed you can meditate and recreate the weapon from a single fragment. Nothing fantastic, but it's pretty cool imagery nonetheless.

Also, another note, but unfortunately Supernal can't be taken as a first level language in 4E, along with Abyssal. If you're looking for something that fits with the alien/far realm motif, I'd consider Deep Speech. Also, you get to select a Background, which can grant an additional class skill, a +2 to any skill, an extra language, or some other benefit depending on the Background chosen. There are tons of creative backgrounds, as well as a Background for each region in the Forgotten Realms. The easiest way to select one would be to determine where your character is from, and take that background's benefit.
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Re: Across the Table (OOC Discussion)
« Reply #871 on: June 19, 2014, 04:19:36 PM »
I'll switch the weapon and language

Will look through backgrounds/patrons tonight


Can Warlocks do rituals?

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Re: Across the Table (OOC Discussion)
« Reply #872 on: June 19, 2014, 04:30:06 PM »
Be aware, my sheet is going to take a bit because I'm going to create a sheet on this board for 4E like my 3.5E and SWSE sheets and just move away from myth-weavers entirely.

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Re: Across the Table (OOC Discussion)
« Reply #873 on: June 19, 2014, 06:37:54 PM »
Can Warlocks do rituals?

Since Warlocks aren't typically into the long hours of study required to learn and perform rituals, they tend not to be ritual casters. The classes that gain it right away are the Wizard, Invoker, Druid, Bard, Psion, Cleric, and Artificer. You could learn to cast rituals by taking the Ritual Caster feat, or through, I believe, some multiclassing feats.

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Ah, found it:
Learned Spellcaster [Multiclass Wizard]
Prerequisite: Int 13, Wis 13
Benefit: You gain training in the Arcana skill, the Nature skill, or the Religion skill. You gain the wizard’s Ritual Casting class feature. In addition, you can wield wizard implements.

So, if you want to cast rituals and gain access to the Orb and Staff implements, that's not a bad feat to take. Also frees up one of your class skills for something else other than Arcana. If you decided to take this as your level 2 (or later) feat, you could retrain your class skills to replace Arcana (which you gain training in from the feat), so it's not a big deal to take this later, either.

However, since you don't have a 13 in Wis, you can always just take the Ritual Caster feat if you want. I've never personally found rituals to be that imperative to have, though they can certainly have their uses.

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Re: Across the Table (OOC Discussion)
« Reply #874 on: June 19, 2014, 06:42:01 PM »
If it makes a difference I've never been in a party that really used rituals outside of the one that makes a campsite.

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Re: Across the Table (OOC Discussion)
« Reply #875 on: June 19, 2014, 08:50:13 PM »
Quick poll: If I needed review for 4e homebrew, who would be the person on the boards to ask?

Edit: Sheet is ready for round 2 of reviews.  For backgrounds I went with Narfell (Endurance is class skill and you get +3 on Endurance checks).  Switched out Sickle for Scythe.  Took Eyes of the Vestige for at will.
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Re: Across the Table (OOC Discussion)
« Reply #876 on: June 19, 2014, 09:16:10 PM »
Alright Melblen/Venn/whoever else.  I submit this sheet for review.  Am I missing anything?  Should the layout be adjusted in any way?

This isn't a filled out sheet, just a template because that's what I do.

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Re: Across the Table (OOC Discussion)
« Reply #877 on: June 19, 2014, 09:48:36 PM »
Nanshork: Looks good! I'm not sure what Traits is there for, though. You may want a place to put a Background and/or Theme (for campaigns that use them), but otherwise looks like it's got everything other than a space for a character bio.

bhu: Also good! That's a pretty solid Warlock right there. I checked it against the Star-lock I had made earlier and it seems to match up fairly well, aside from a couple minor differences. Con-based Warlocks don't quite get the same love that Charisma-based ones do, but their added durability definitely makes up for it.
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Re: Across the Table (OOC Discussion)
« Reply #878 on: June 19, 2014, 09:55:24 PM »
Nanshork: Looks good! I'm not sure what Traits is there for, though. You may want a place to put a Background and/or Theme (for campaigns that use them), but otherwise looks like it's got everything other than a space for a character bio.

Traits was me being dumb and thinking about Pathfinder for some reason.

I'll adjust that section's name now that you mention it.

Edit: My templates don't get a bio section since a lot of PbP games don't ask for that.  I'll come up with something for this game though.

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Re: Across the Table (OOC Discussion)
« Reply #879 on: June 19, 2014, 10:44:40 PM »
@Nanshork

The sheet looks good, very comparable to the one you made for Silten in our SWSE game. Don't forget the questions I posted previous for character development   :lmao

@bhu

Good job on your first foray into 4e character build
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